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Cynical, but honest. I don't believe Watson is ready to play Week 1 or any week thereafter. I personally do not want to see him out there for any snaps at all. The QB room is a wreck. If this isn't to be a rebuild to appease MG, then it will demand a brutal triage; decisions will need to be made as to which patient-players can (and should) be saved. We will need to "buy" some of our cap space/picks/ draft capital. I think some have made a real case for "letting themselves go." Looking at injuries and what pigs we can take to market for some magic beans will be painful and needful. I think it needs to happen before the draft. Don't get me wrong. I don't want him to play, but the team says he will get a shot, so if so, I want him to play well. Like most I think he is toast and his days in Cleveland are numbered by his contract.
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If were up to me DW would never take another snap for the Browns.
However, because of the contract and cap. He will remain.
The Browns are not going to hand DW the starters job. They will bring in a veteran quarterback and there will be competition for the starter's role.
DW will likely begin the season on the PUP list. So he has to be physically able to play before he is a consideration. That is not a given.
We will most likely draft a quarterback. Who we sign and who we draft and how they play will are all unknowns currently.
So, what will happen with DW will not be determined until the factors involved play out.
The day DW is gone and his contract and money due are off the books will be like being released from prison.
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would yall consider will howard with a 2nd rounder? No, personally I wouldn't He's been mediocre to good with a top WR corp and a good oline Good size, decent not great arm So-so reading defenses Average vision Poor anticipation I would consider a flyer on him in the 6th round
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would yall consider will howard with a 2nd rounder? No, personally I wouldn't He's been mediocre to good with a top WR corp and a good oline Good size, decent not great arm So-so reading defenses Average vision Poor anticipation I would consider a flyer on him in the 6th round 6th round is about right. Howard is projected to be drafted as a mid to late Day 3 pick.
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So Florio and Simms think there’s a very good chance buffalo rests starters and New England might want to go out with positive momentum. In other words, they might actually win. It’s not unprecedented that a top of draft team wins in the last game apparently.
Which would put us at 2. Which means you really are looking at top QB territory. God help us if we chose Sanders. But is Ward for real? Anyone else? Or are we just dropping and stockpiling?
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We will know soon enough.
I don't have a clue as to what we will do. I can only speak for myself.
The more tape I watch the better Ward is looking. For one thing he has played a lot of ball. That really helps. An old Bill Parcell criterion starts.
McCarthy adds a wrinkle because he might be available.
Dropping down can be a good thing if the draft falls right. How far you drop is of course important.
If NE were to win and TN lost. We would be second. TN would probably take a QB. It would be hard to pass on Hunter because he is like getting two first rounders. Crazy to think that a player can play two ways.
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It would be hard to pass on Hunter because he is like getting two first rounders. Crazy to think that a player can play two ways.
Every projection for Hunter that I have seen does not project him as playing both ways in the NFL even though he says he would like to play both ways. The NFL is way too demanding. Everything seems to indicate he will have a primary role with an occasional package on the other side of the ball. A bit like what teams did with Deion Sanders. There is no doubt he is a special talent. Cam Ward is the train I am on, but in the event he is gone, I might trade back and take Tetairoa McMillan if targeting a WR. McMillan seems like he'll have a Mike Evans-like career.
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I was going to reply with the exact same thing Milk said.
IMO There is no way Hunter is playing full time WR/CB. The amount of pounding the body would take through a season would be crazy especially with elite players. Players have a tough enough time staying healthy playing one side of the ball.
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I was going to reply with the exact same thing Milk said.
IMO There is no way Hunter is playing full time WR/CB. The amount of pounding the body would take through a season would be crazy especially with elite players. Players have a tough enough time staying healthy playing one side of the ball. I don't know. I think CB/WR is the one pair you might be able to do it at. I mean he has been doing it. I suppose it depends somewhat on what one considers "full time" at WR? The good thing is if a receiver needs rest you can sub him out at your own team's discretion. I'm not sure I'd throw him in the deep end doing both from the start, but there could definitely be value in being able to do both at a high level down the line. Wouldn't mind him seeing individual time with the WRs to keep the ball skills sharp.
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It's possible, Deion did it. Chris Gamble did it in college, I don't remember if he did in the pros. I don't want to take away what he has done in college, b/c it's amazing. However, the pros will be faster and stronger. The hits will be harder. If they think it is feasible, I don't have a problem having him have some packages on offense.
To clarify full time, i mean a majority of the snaps on the both sides of the ball. I would just be more concerned about his shelf life taking the added hits. Recovery is a lot easier when you are in your early 20s compared to a few years down the road.
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would yall consider will howard with a 2nd rounder? No, personally I wouldn't He's been mediocre to good with a top WR corp and a good oline Good size, decent not great arm So-so reading defenses Average vision Poor anticipation I would consider a flyer on him in the 6th round I think you are right about Howard. Maybe a 5th round pick. If we are looking at a 2nd or 3rd round QB selection, I still like Jackson Dart of Ole Miss and the Allar kid at PSU has a lot of tools.
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I think the question has been answered in that tweet already. He’ll likely be a starting CB and part time, package WR. He’ll probably see 5-7 snaps on O per game. D’s will have to account for him, which is what you want most. Aside from actual production of course. Having a Queen you can drop on the chess board at any moment complicates the game planning for the apposing D tremendously.
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I don't know what Hunter will do in the pros.
Deion stated emphatically that Hunter will play both ways or he will not go to a team if they want him playing only one way.
If NE picks first my guess is he will be the first pick.
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i dont have a problem with package plays for hunter. but i'd want him playing WR full time with packages for CB, not visa versa. we have good DB's, so we need explosive talent on offense.
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As the Browns go through their exit evaluations and look at the season.
They have to consider what kind of environment a new quarterback would face in Cleveland.
Let's say for grins that the Browns like Cam Ward. What can they do to ensure that Cam will be in the best situation to succeed?
He will need a mentor and he should not be forced to start. DW is not that guy. Cousins or Jameis are guys who could mentor a young QB.
They must improve the run game efficiency. They need another running back. I do not think the OL is as bad as people think but it needs some work and depth. Jones at LT will help.
They must change the scheme. Dorsey has to go and he will go.
IMO Ward would need to sit until it is clear to the coaches that he is ready and has the tools around him to help.
I believe in the run game. I also believe in a offensive playing personality. You have to know what you are good at and believe in that.
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i dont have a problem with package plays for hunter. but i'd want him playing WR full time with packages for CB, not visa versa. we have good DB's, so we need explosive talent on offense. I would tend to agree with that
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It's possible, Deion did it. Chris Gamble did it in college, I don't remember if he did in the pros. I don't want to take away what he has done in college, b/c it's amazing. However, the pros will be faster and stronger. The hits will be harder. If they think it is feasible, I don't have a problem having him have some packages on offense.
To clarify full time, i mean a majority of the snaps on the both sides of the ball. I would just be more concerned about his shelf life taking the added hits. Recovery is a lot easier when you are in your early 20s compared to a few years down the road. And even when Deion did it, he only had one year where he saw a significant amount of targets at WR. Chris Gamble ended up playing CB only and returned punts. It's one thing to play both ways (which is still incredible) in college when you are going up against inferior talent week in and out as compared to NFL players every week. I think Travis Hunter is a very talented player, he's just not this "getting two players for one" that some people believe. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SandDe00.htm
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I believe it's possible he may play in some packages on the opposite side of the ball whether his main position is CB or WR. But that remains to be seen. The points you bring up are quite valid though in terms of a team not "getting two players for one".
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I was looking at the quarterback class for 2026.
Arch Manning is the top guy but there are others.
I had given this some thought before and now think it may be a consideration.
Trade down and try for a future number one in 2026. As much as I would not agree on doing this trade Myles after next year for number one in 2026 and other picks.
If the Browns went into the 2026 draft with three number ones they might get a shot at Arch Manning. If not him for sure a top three QB.
You would need to measure the 2025 class to the 2026 class.
Look at this years draft to build the team at other positions.
The reason for this exercise is because of Haslam. I have to feel he would be infatuated with having Arch Manning be the quarterback in the new dome.
Just throwing this out there.
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I will go a step further.
I could see Haslam offering Peyton a premier opportunity with the Browns.
Possible a president position with maybe a stake in ownership.
The one thing I do not fault Haslam for is wanting to win. He wants to win. He has taken chances and paid for it.
Brady is in with the Raiders. If we get Arch I could see Peyton with a Browns position.
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I mentioned before about hiring Peyton as a consultant and I do agree JH wants to win. That's why we made the DW trade and deal. Bone you just mentioned "IF" we get Arch. Suppose we hire Peyton first "SO" we have a better chance of getting Arch. The Mannings have "worked" the draft before. Just a thought.
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I am aware of the background of Arch. I am not disagreeing with anything you both are saying regarding his talent and if he plays to his potential. The chances of him being great next year are high for various reasons (former #1 recruit, his own abilities and team is talented)
I just want to add clarification for others, Arch has two career starts in college. He started against a terrible Miss St and a bad Univ of Louisiana-Monroe. He played 3 quarters of the UT San Antonio game and cleaned up a few other games.
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And all of the dots people are reaching to connect sounds far more like a pipe dream than anything thought of in reality. This is pretty much a long shot by any definition of the term.
But hey, everyone in entitled to their dreams.
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The odds are very long.
The one thing that does make it possible is the dome in 2029.
Haslam is going to get his dome and he has priorities regarding the success of that venture.
The logistics make it near impossible.
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Almost anything is "possible".
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Between now and draft day there will be a ton of discussion about who is better Ward or Sanders.
So ironic that here we sit with the third pick or better and I am not crazy about any of the quarterbacks.
TN and Cleveland will be two of the teams who will face that decision. How will Deion feel about either team?
Of course either team could trade out.
I would not give Sanders or Ward a top ten grade. That does not mean they cannot succeed. It simply means that neither are ideal. They both are not prototypes. They are not Andrew Luck.
They are both very close in talent. I would give Ward a slight edge.
Milroe's grade is lower because of experience. Milroe may have the higher ceiling.
I could see the Browns trading back. They could also end up with Sanders or Ward.
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Who know? Still lot's of evaluation to take place. Combine, individual workouts.
I know that you understand that of all positions, QB is the one position that a teams needs will give QB's a tremendous boost in their draft position. It's fairly rare that a QB rated as a top 5 guy is actually rated as such from a pure metrics standpoint. Teams at the top of the draft are usually teams with inferior QB play thus the QBs are usually sitting at or near the top of draftable players.
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I get that.
I have just been watching JJ McCarthy.
I would take him over Sanders and Ward.
Harbaugh ran a more pro type concept offense.
Watching JJ he played in play action. He is athletic. He is a leader. He has a damn good arm.
He is more mechanically sound than Sanders and Ward. He has a better release.
He would fit KS better because he is a structure QB.
I hope we get him.
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I watched J Mac in a pre-season game before his injury.
Damn, I was impressed. I like him over Ward and Sanders.
In fact he gives me real hope. All I have wanted is a quarterback that I believe in. I think I found one.
If I were Berry I would go get him.
Darnold cannot be released after this season. He owns the locker room. Hell the Vikings might win it all.
Trading our third would give the Vikings a sure path to build upon. They would trade down or draft a stud.
I am really excited about J Mac. He looks like a perfect fit for KS's play action scheme. Perfect.
Berry should have a real conversation with Jim Harbaugh all about J Mac.
I see a win win deal with the Vikings.
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Been saying that all along - go get J Mac.
He'd be a perfect fit in KS offense.
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I am seriously fired up about J Mac.
I never really watched him before other than a few plays. This was the first time I really watched him closely.
I didn't know that he ran 4.48
I love his throwing mechanics. He excelled in play action.
Like I said I would be on the phone with Jim Harbaugh. I would want clear answers about everything.
He looks like a pro style type quarterback.
GM Mensah and Berry are tight. That could be an advantage. At least they can talk with some level of trust.
It would be a tough decision to trade him for the Vikings. At the same time they could load up on talent.
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Trade for J Mac then grab these two later, R4 Bryce Lance, NDSU, WR, 6’3” 205lb (sleeper) … R5/6 or comp, Kyle McCord, Syracuse, QB, 6’3” 220lb
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I like it Orange. I’d love to have JJ here. Could care less about the Michigan ties. To me, his basement is Baker and his ceiling is prime Russel Wilson.
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I am 100% in on getting J Mac.
I believe this deal can happen.
Now the question is will Berry make it happen?
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I get that.
I have just been watching JJ McCarthy.
I would take him over Sanders and Ward.
Harbaugh ran a more pro type concept offense.
Watching JJ he played in play action. He is athletic. He is a leader. He has a damn good arm.
He is more mechanically sound than Sanders and Ward. He has a better release.
He would fit KS better because he is a structure QB.
I hope we get him. I wouldn't mind that. Swap 1st rounds plus JJ, + maybe another pick...I don't care to guess what that might look like. As I type this I haven't looked at any NFL scores and havent seen anything posted at this point. If we have moved up 1-2 slots we will be in a garden spot. We should be able to get a QB we want, or trade down inside the top 15 and get a boatlod of picks, some this year, some next.
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Well, just saw we are now at the #2 pick. We should have boatloads of options in that slot.
I'll just come out and say it....if Myles wants to be traded, then do it. Why keep him if it is going to take a few years to get back to the top? I'd trade him to the team willing to bet the biggest ranch.
I don't like to say it but are we interested in picking up more good players who can help us win in a year or two or keeping a guy who really hasn't helped us win many games this year?
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Agreed. Trade for JJ and sign Kirk Cousins for our vet backup. Our 3rd QB can be another vet or maybe Zappe. I wouldn't keep DTR.
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There will be options.
My hope is get J Mac. Sign Cousins. Cut DTR. Keep Myles.
Hire Josh McCown as OC.
Then win as many games as we can and try to get into the playoffs.
I do not want to rebuild. I don't think it is necessary.
Lots can happen over a year and I believe in trying to win now.
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no on JJ. if it's a QB, Ward or Sanders.
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