"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Given the nature of the injury and the setback.. Might be a good time to try to negotiate an injury settlement. Especially if he can't play in 2025..
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
In response to Jason Lloyd’s question on who decided to bring in Dorsey after his documented failures in Buffalo.
i didn't know the worst GM in our history is also a bus driver. Stay classy AB.
But also, it is true and he said the quiet part out loud. Dorsey has coached a successful offense. Alot more successful then anything KS has. Dorsey in 2022 had the 2nd ranked offense, when he got fired, at the time his offense was ranked 7th so not sure what the (documented failures were in buffalo. So its his fault Allen was a turnover machine?). KS 2020:14th, 2021: 18th, 2022: 14th, 2023:10th, 2024: last.
so yeah I stand by this was KS offense and they made Dorsey the scapegoat. AB is right, there was alot more going on that was the failure and it starts with KS. Even more so if it is indeed true he is responsible for the turnover on the staff that won 11 games
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
He effectively is in our past at this point. Sounds like he’s going to be out of the picture next year… and probably forever. He won’t be around the facility and anyone who understands anything knows we’ve got to be moving on. He costs too much to cut but he’s permanently mothballed.
The whole thing feels like an elaborate ruse. If he wasn’t such a knucklehead I might start to believe this is all a long con. It’s sad when you literally despise your QB and start to think he’s just a swindler. Well done Browns!
"Team Chemistry No Match for Team Biology" (Onion Sports Headline)
If he didn't say this then the response would be "OMG, HC doesn't even have ability to pick his own staff". Just a lot of trying to get people riled up for no reason.
Dorsey was brought in for one reason. Watson. He was brought in to bring spread and RPO concepts to the offense. Like swish said earlier, I have no idea about the whole having Dorsey call plays thing. It came at possibly the most illogical time of the season.
As for the rest of your post. You're choosing to ignore that Dorsey was calling plays for Winston instead of Watson, and that was also around the time the Oline started getting healthier. You're also choosing to ignore that KS's offense HAS, in fact, looked VERY good at times. Pre-injury Baker was slinging it and we were running all over everyone. Even Watson was looking competent, at times, last year.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
If he didn't say this then the response would be "OMG, HC doesn't even have ability to pick his own staff". Just a lot of trying to get people riled up for no reason.
Dorsey was brought in for one reason. Watson. He was brought in to bring spread and RPO concepts to the offense. Like swish said earlier, I have no idea about the whole having Dorsey call plays thing. It came at possibly the most illogical time of the season.
As for the rest of your post. You're choosing to ignore that Dorsey was calling plays for Winston instead of Watson, and that was also around the time the Oline started getting healthier. You're also choosing to ignore that KS's offense HAS, in fact, looked VERY good at times. Pre-injury Baker was slinging it and we were running all over everyone. Even Watson was looking competent, at times, last year.
no.. it hasn't.. sorry stats don't lie. maybe it looked good compared to what we had, but his offense has never been good.. I posted the actual rankings per year.. if thats good to you, that explains why so many people on this board are happy with mediocrity
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
I hope whoever the OC becomes, it needs to be their offense. This bringing in another OC to run KS offense is stupid.. Lets gets someone established, not some nobody like Josh McCown
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
If he didn't say this then the response would be "OMG, HC doesn't even have ability to pick his own staff". Just a lot of trying to get people riled up for no reason.
Dorsey was brought in for one reason. Watson. He was brought in to bring spread and RPO concepts to the offense. Like swish said earlier, I have no idea about the whole having Dorsey call plays thing. It came at possibly the most illogical time of the season.
As for the rest of your post. You're choosing to ignore that Dorsey was calling plays for Winston instead of Watson, and that was also around the time the Oline started getting healthier. You're also choosing to ignore that KS's offense HAS, in fact, looked VERY good at times. Pre-injury Baker was slinging it and we were running all over everyone. Even Watson was looking competent, at times, last year.
I think the Callahan loss was bigger than I thought. Not so much that he's irreplaceable, but that he had a great handle on what the guys could and couldn't do. I think the blocking changed to accommodate the Dorsey/Watson related schematic changes, and Dickerson didn't know enough about the players to know the changes would be problematic. I.e, on paper everything was sound, but it wasn't how our particular players were accustomed and good at. Perhaps some of it was even psychological, drop back passing from shotgun requires a much more "passive" approach from the OL. Our guys seem best as the aggressors. Teller is much more effective ninja rolling and blowing people up than being patient in his set sort of things.
Like Conklin said in his presser, trying to get everyone else to change for one person isn't really something that is likely to happen quickly. Try to change a bunch and the likelihood of any individual thing going bust doesn't change, but the likelihood of one thing not working goes up a lot. When the thing everyone else changes for also fails catastrophically, well, we saw the result.
Hopefully Berry and Stefanski learn the right lessons. I'm okay with keeping them because more change just gives more opportunities for things to go wrong. The learning what works for players would start all over again for a staff, and players would be trying to figure out a new system. I doubt a guy like Bitonio wants to go through that again. Now reverting to a system he likes and was good at, he might buy into.
One can often learn more from failure than success.
Berry and Stefanski are both "young" and should grow from the experience, if "we" let them.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Yeah, we only made the playoffs twice and once with having four starting QB's that season. And don't start about the D. Yes the D was good but the Browns scored 26 points or more in 8 out of those 11 wins in 2023.
In your world that sucks.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
how much more time are you going to give them? 5 years and 3 losing seasons? At some point you have to cry uncle. I do agree and have said many times that Callahan was the biggest loss. Maybe TN fires Brian who really proved to not be ready and Bill becomes available again
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
These are the Browns players without contracts for the 2025 season. Now sitting ($21,356,142) over the proposed cap for 2025, most of these are the low hanging fruit (cheap) players the Browns will be looking at for 2025 to fill the roster.
The unrestricted free agent (UFA) definition refers to a player who has fulfilled the terms of their contract and is free to negotiate with and sign with any team without restrictions RB - Nick Chubb (UFA) Age: 30 (7) 2024 Cap Hit $6,275,000 DEAD MONEY = Zero WR - Elijah Moore (UFA) Age: 25 (4) 2024 Cap Hit $3,116,000 DEAD MONEY = Zero TE - Jordan Akins (UFA) Age: 33 (7) 2024 Cap Hit $2,315,000 DEAD MONEY = Zero DT - Maurice Hurst (UFA) Age: 30 (7) 2024 Cap Hit $1,740,000 DEAD MONEY = Zero LB - Devin Bush (UFA) Age: 27 (6) 2024 Cap Hit $1,500,000 DEAD MONEY = Zero OL - Nick Harris (UFA) Age: 27 (5) 2024 Cap Hit $1,395,000 DEAD MONEY - Zero OL - James Hudson (UFA) Age: 26 (4) 2024 Cap Hit $1,253,104 DEAD MONEY = Zero OL - Michael Dunn (UFA) Age: 31 (5) 2024 Cap Hit $1,152,500 DEAD MONEY = Zero S -Rodney McLeod (UFA) Age: 35 (13) 2024 Cap Hit $1,152,500 DEAD MONEY = Zero CB - Mike Ford (UFA) Age: 30 (7) 2024 Cap Hit $1,062,500 DEAD MONEY = Zero RB - D'Onta Foreman (UFA) Age: 29 (7) 2024 Cap Hit $985,000 DEAD MONEY = Zero LB - Khaleke Hudson (UFA) Age: 28 (5) 2024 Cap Hit $930,278 DEAD MONEY = Zero RB - Nyheim Hines (UFA) Age: 29 (5) 2024 Cap Hit $920,000 DEAD MONEY = Zero OL - Germain Ifedi (UFA) Age: 31 (9) 2024 Cap Hit $820,833 DEAD MONEY = Zero TE - Geoff Swaim (UFA) Age: 32 (9) 2024 Cap Hit $556,389 DEAD MONEY = Zero OL - Hakeem Adeniji (UFA) Age: 28 (5) 2024 Cap Hit $520,000 DEAD MONEY = Zero WR - Tony Brown (UFA) Age: 30 (6) 2024 Cap Hit $453,056 DEAD MONEY = Zero OL - Geron Christian (UFA) Age: 29 (7) 2024 Cap Hit $383,056 DEAD MONEY = Zero WR - James Proche (UFA) Age: 29 (5) 2024 Cap Hit $109,444 DEAD MONEY = Zero
A restricted free agent agrees to an offer sheet with a new team, which gives their incumbent team a couple days to match that offer. If the incumbent team matches, the player has to play for them again. There's no wiggle room. S - D'Anthony Bell (RFA) Age: 29 (3) 2024 Cap Hit $987,500 DEAD MONEY = Zero DE - James Houston (RFA) Age: 27 (3) 2024 Cap Hit $305,000 DEAD MONEY = Zero QB - Bailey Zappe (RFA) Age: 26 (3) 2024 Cap Hit $273,611 DEAD MONEY = Zero RB - John Kelly (RFA) Age: 29 (3) 2024 Cap Hit $58,611 DEAD MONEY = Zero
If the player's team tenders a qualifying offer, which is usually a one-year contract at the league minimum, the player must either sign the tender or sit out the season. ERFAs have no negotiating rights with other teams. If the player's team does not offer a contract, they become an unrestricted free agent. An exclusive rights free agent is a player with two or fewer accrued seasons and an expired contract. LB - Winston Reid (ERFA) Age: 26 (1) 2024 Cap Hit $750,833 DEAD MONEY = Zero TE - Blake Whiteheart (ERFA) Age: 25 (2) 2024 Cap Hit $305,000 DEAD MONEY = Zero DT - Michael Dwumfour (ERFA) Age: 27 (0) 2024 Cap Hit $54,722 DEAD MONEY = Zero S - Chris Edmonds (ERFA) Age: 24 (0) 2024 Cap Hit $44,167 DEAD MONEY = Zero
2024 Total Cap Hit for 2025 Free Agents = $29,419,104
Setting the table to IR Watson all next year. Watson posted a pic on his IG page yesterday of him and his girlfriend dancing in the street yesterday.
yea i saw that, too. I hope he really stays on IR, and away from the team or team activities. completely move on from this loser.
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I'm going to be honest... that list is a LOT less scary than I thought it would be.
You got Chubb, Hurst, and Dunn in terms of the ones we don't want to lose. Maybe you could add Bush and Akins to that list as stronger depth. Otherwise, you've got a bunch of guys that aren't going to move the needle much if they're no longer on the roster, but will still have to replace with someone. I think much of the OL on that list would fall into this category (won't miss them but then have to get someone at least as good).
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
He told the team yesterday that he had suffered a setback in his recovery from the ruptured Achilles he suffered earlier this season.
The Browns, however, have Watson's contract insured. This means they will see some financial relief for time missed by Watson over the past two seasons. Just how much (and keep in mind the insured money does not hit the team's cap space until the following year)?
The Browns had about $14 million of his contract in 2024. With him missing about half of the season, the Browns will see an additional toll of around $7 million added to their cap space total in 2025. If Watson does not play a down of football in all of 2025, the Browns would receive $44.3 million in insured relief. This is all but $1.7 million of Watson's guaranteed salary in 2025.
This would be recouped in cap space the following year, meaning the Browns would see that 44.3 million hit their account in 2026 if Watson is indeed out all of 2025 as he recovers from his Achilles injury.
This article originally appeared on Browns Wire: Browns eligible for massive insurance relief if Deshaun Watson cannot play in 2025
She gets a vote on all NFL awards. One of the most connected people in the NFL. She knows everyone and is highly respected by all.
Adam the Bull flip flopped after a conversation about if KS should be fired.
She then talked about the reputation of Josh McCown all around the league.
She is bullish on him as the OC and she explains why.
Yet a comment was made about him being unqualified. Of course with nothing to back it up as to why. The easy answer is to throw out a personal opinion with zero research then tell everyone how the FO doesn't know anything.
I can't speak knowledgeably on his ability as an OC. All I can say is that he had future QB Coach extraordinaire written all over him when he was here as the backup (to Colt McCoy? I don't remember but it doesn't matter).
Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure it would take a promotion to OC in order to bring him here.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
She gets a vote on all NFL awards. One of the most connected people in the NFL. She knows everyone and is highly respected by all.
Adam the Bull flip flopped after a conversation about if KS should be fired.
She then talked about the reputation of Josh McCown all around the league.
She is bullish on him as the OC and she explains why.
Yet a comment was made about him being unqualified. Of course with nothing to back it up as to why. The easy answer is to throw out a personal opinion with zero research then tell everyone how the FO doesn't know anything.
But of course he knows.
know more than you boomer.. a quick google search, you know when you open the thing called a "web browser" and type in google, or if you're lucky opens automatically. I did my research, apparently you didn't. McCown has been a coach for exactly 2 years in any capacity, at any level, including this year.. Last year in Carolina... again, use the google machine, he was fired after the team went 1-10. So yeah.. sorry, He's not coming here doing anything. Get someone with an actual resume
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
When was that? When you thought signing watson for 230 million and giving up three first round draft picks was a great thing or now?
i know you're sticking up for a fellow boomer keyboard warrior but again, at the time if it worked would have been ideal.. can't help what transpired and if you think you knew at the time then you're dumber then i really thought you were
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
Sadly for you I was right in this case and you were wrong. You can call it luck if you like, but I'm not the one that's having to talk out both sides of my ass about it now.
And as far as Bone goes he's far too optimistic and what I see as unrealistic to me sometimes. But that's just my opinion. To each their own.
I'm sorry you feel the need to blame others for your two sided opinion on watson depending on which way the wind blows. That doesn't have anything to do with Bone. That's a you issue. But deflection is more popular now than it was just a short time ago so I get it.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
When was that? When you thought signing watson for 230 million and giving up three first round draft picks was a great thing or now?
i know you're sticking up for a fellow boomer keyboard warrior but again, at the time if it worked would have been ideal.. can't help what transpired and if you think you knew at the time then you're dumber then i really thought you were
You calling others 'keyboard warriors' has me rolling right now.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
When was that? When you thought signing watson for 230 million and giving up three first round draft picks was a great thing or now?
i know you're sticking up for a fellow boomer keyboard warrior but again, at the time if it worked would have been ideal.. can't help what transpired and if you think you knew at the time then you're dumber then i really thought you were
You calling others 'keyboard warriors' has me rolling right now.
A little unsolicited advice: Stop arguing with lead and put him on ignore. I just see empty spots and when I toggle them off I’m reminded to just go ahead and put it back on. You’re arguing with someone with the mental capacity and emotional coping skills of a tween. Using “boomer” as invective in 2025 might be your first clue.
"Team Chemistry No Match for Team Biology" (Onion Sports Headline)
I can't speak knowledgeably on his ability as an OC. All I can say is that he had future QB Coach extraordinaire written all over him when he was here as the backup (to Colt McCoy? I don't remember but it doesn't matter).
Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure it would take a promotion to OC in order to bring him here.
I think he was the backup to good ol' Johnny Football in '15 and then RG3 in '16.
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Implying that being a "boomer" is a bad thing is a signal.
Nothing else needs to be stated. You cast your own lack of knowledge for all to see.
Tommy Rees is a good OC candidate. Saban speaks highly of him.
For those who are capable of going beyond Google for research.
While at Carolina Josh McCown pounded the table to draft CJ Stroud.
McCown famously changed offensive coordinators in every season of his 18-year playing career, and he's now 2-for-2 in his NFL coaching career as well. As a result, he said he has "a bunch of systems floating around in my head" and relishes the opportunity to lock into a scheme that is flourishing for Minnesota this season.
McCown's coaches during his own playing career sometimes leaned on him for game-planning and playcalling input, especially in 2014 when he was with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and later during his two-year stint with the Chicago Bears.
"Josh McCown joins Houston's short list of completed interviews for this hiring cycle, alongside former Dolphins coach Brian Flores for the head coaching position."
I guess building a reputation after 20 years in the NFL is important. Organizations know from insiders which coaches get recognized as candidates for advancement.
When was that? When you thought signing watson for 230 million and giving up three first round draft picks was a great thing or now?
i know you're sticking up for a fellow boomer keyboard warrior but again, at the time if it worked would have been ideal.. can't help what transpired and if you think you knew at the time then you're dumber then i really thought you were
You calling others 'keyboard warriors' has me rolling right now.
A little unsolicited advice: Stop arguing with lead and put him on ignore. I just see empty spots and when I toggle them off I’m reminded to just go ahead and put it back on. You’re arguing with someone with the mental capacity and emotional coping skills of a tween. Using “boomer” as invective in 2025 might be your first clue.
It's 'Popcorn Time'! Been a while since the last one....
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