Lol... they said he's just awkward and it was an accident. How do you accidentally give the Roman salute? I've never even heard of that.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I don't have context or video for those other ones. I am assuming they didn't beat their chest first before they raised their hands.
Look, I don't think Elon is a Nazi.......but c'mon man, I mean wtf was that
As if it matters. Americans are done with this. Half way thru day one and we're diving in on media hoaxing? GTHOH. You're better than this. And you're smarter than this, you should avoid this like the plague, it's a disservice to your party and our collective intellect. Give it a rest.
I don't have context or video for those other ones. I am assuming they didn't beat their chest first before they raised their hands.
Look, I don't think Elon is a Nazi.......but c'mon man, I mean wtf was that
As if it matters. Americans are done with this. Half way thru day one and we're diving in on media hoaxing? GTHOH. You're better than this. And you're smarter than this, you should avoid this like the plague, it's a disservice to your party and our collective intellect. Give it a rest.
I got to agree with you Fate. The man was speaking with his hand over his heart and made a gesture to the crowd. The ADL came out and defended him. The left wing media hasn’t learned anything from this past election.
I’m not referring to 05. Just the part about the American people
My bad, I was skimming with my faux outrage antenna up. It's just jaw-dropping that the media would latch onto this. Like, what, he's a neo-nazi and was waiting for this to show his true colors?? C'mon man.
i dunno what to think about the salute, especially since he did it twice. I will ask the board this: how many times is Elon gonna get away with controversy due to "autism" or him being "awkward?" Some of you guys are defending Elon, like a naive parent does with their child who keeps misbehaving in school.
then here's the other aspect: There's plenty of right wingers who did view this as the Nazi salute, and are happy he did it:
1. Thomas Sewell, a self-described neo nazi (i didnt call him that, he calls himself that), certainly thinks it was intentional.
2. The Proud boys chapter in Ohio (lol, i know) on telegram also posted in response "Hail Trump"
3. White Lives Matter posted in response "The white flame will rise again"
and those are just a few examples. Combine this with Elon supporting far right extremist parties in Europe, such as the AFD in Germany, and other issues he's been part of, I'm left with this problem i would like Trump and Elon supporters to solve for me:
The left, liberals, media, moderates, some conservatives, and most of the extreme right wing thinks he did the salute. Does any MAGA on this board see the issue that they're really the ONLY ones defending this dude's actions? everyone is wrong, but you're the only ones who are right? you're the only ones who know the truth?
we are certainly gonna have any more massive problems in this country, dealing specifically with intention and perception.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Look... I should've prefaced the initial message with my opinion that I too would always roll my eyes at all of the "He's a Nazi!" and how carelessly that phrase was thrown around.
In this case, though... I honestly can't wrap my brain around the "it was an accident" nonsense. Did you see the video? I assume not because you responded with still images with no context (one of which was of a comedian doing his show).
I'm trying to be sincere here... there's really no rational explanation for that, let alone it coming from the owner of a social media platform and one of the most terminally-online people of our lifetimes.
On a slightly more serious note, it's disheartening that we can't even get through the inauguration without already hitting the "Stand down and Stand by" part of the timeline.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I am on my phone and just watched the video for the first time. While I don't particularly think musk is a nazi, I do believe he is very smart and probably doesn't do many things by accident
First thing I noticed in the video is that he does not say my heart goes out to you, and then the gesture. He does a gesture and then says, my heart goes out to you. That matters in my eyes. Just me, but it looks like a rehearsed moment to bate the media and the left. But instead of saying the line and doing the action at the same time, it's like he didn't remember and then had to add the words. Certainly, there's no grabbing of the heart and throwing, something where your fingers splay wide as you release something. His fingers are together in a salute not a throwing animation, if you didn't listen to any audio and just watched it, you would say it's a damn close call to being a nazi salute.
Bottom line whether it is intentional or otherwise it's certainly a dog whistle which the right wing have embraced already. Much like Musks new twitter avatar and name has meanings, which hand serious knock on effects. Both within right wing circles and crypto currency.
The other bottom line is that this doesn't make him any more or less dangerous than he was before. I could care less about the salute. What he poisonously whispers into trump's ear.It is much more of a concern to me. The guy has a god complex, just like Trump .... or is someone going to try and deny that Trump said and believes god saved him, and he has manifest destiny?
Watch this space.
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The more things change the more they stay the same.
I think it’s true that there’s no rational explanation for most of what Musk does. He shares the impulsive gene with the POTUS. Like when he jumped up and down and whatnot. He’s very childish and I think it perhaps was him saying his heart goes out to people in a very odd, heavily uncoordinated, awkward way. I also wouldn’t put him above trolling.
But honestly, I think it still serves as a distraction to the fact Trump made very lofty campaign promises and will likely underwhelm significantly.
Speaking of which, I think we’re just about at 24 hours. Is that War in Ukraine over yet??
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
Help me understand this, because I’m struggling, seriously.
I figured Musk was fine with ending the EV mandate because it basically increases his competition and decreases his market share.
I also understood his broader interest was holding off on tariffs for EV raw material imports, which it looks like the administration is doing, for now at least.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
I don't have context or video for those other ones. I am assuming they didn't beat their chest first before they raised their hands.
Look, I don't think Elon is a Nazi.......but c'mon man, I mean wtf was that
As if it matters. Americans are done with this. Half way thru day one and we're diving in on media hoaxing? GTHOH. You're better than this. And you're smarter than this, you should avoid this like the plague, it's a disservice to your party and our collective intellect. Give it a rest.
Fascist ass MAGA might be DONE with it, patriotic Americans are not. Y’all are straight up shameful. I hope you get everything you deserve out of mango Mussolini.
Everyone knows the deciding factors in the election was the economy with second place being the border. All of the crazy right wing trump rhetoric had nothing to do with it.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
And I heard it was eggs and the price of groceries… they heard him say all the bad ish he wanted to do, and they were cool with trashing lives to maybe save a couple bucks. Desperate, scared, uneducated, and a f-ton of lies got him reelected. Biden’s economy was humming. Don’t let their lies brainscrape yiou and make you adjust your positions. BAD MAGA, good guys team blue. Next you’ll wonder if fascist-lite is a tasteful flavor. That’s how he built MAGA ffs.
I see where they are trying to credit pump and dump Trump with the cease fire in GAZA… the one Biden helped get. And ZERO coverage on his meme coin 80% insider owned dump that sent shockwaves through the crypto market a few days before taking office. And the new $melania coin (pronouced: smelania) will be the same, another con from the huckster-n-thief.
What is so hilarious in all of this is that for the most part we actually agree. MAGA alone wasn't nearly enough to get him elected. What I think one needs to remember is many Americans really don't follow politics or the news very much. Information is something, sadly, many people aren't all that interested in or they're half brain dead following dance videos on TicTok.
What they know is that interest rates were preventing them from buying a home. That prices had risen so much they were trying to figure out whether to pay some bills or buy groceries. How they were being forced to buy groceries with their credit cards. The problems that existed in "their world".
I know you think that sounds somewhat superficial but that's the reality of the world we live in. The democrats were too busy demonizing trump to focus on their issues. The issues they were facing day to day. That was a huge mistake and voters alone weren't strictly to blame. I hope the democrats learned something from that. Time will tell.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Help me understand this, because I’m struggling, seriously.
I figured Musk was fine with ending the EV mandate because it basically increases his competition and decreases his market share.
I also understood his broader interest was holding off on tariffs for EV raw material imports, which it looks like the administration is doing, for now at least.
I don't think there's a clear-cut answer to the first part but here's a simplistic view: You and I both own restaurants and are competitors. I own a steak joint named Fate's Great Steak Escape you own a family joint with a diverse menu named Far Left Woke Greasy Spoon. Obviously you sell a few steaks, but it's just a part of your menu mix. Consumers had enjoyed a $3 government rebate on every steak they ate but now that is coming to an end. Which restaurant will lose more revenue?
So, if this ends the $7500 tax credit, that's bad for Tesla. Also bad for consumers.
There are some saying Tesla will sell more cars on the premise that other manufacturers will abandon electric cars. That's ludicrous. GM alone has invested 35 BILLION in EV tech and will continue to flesh out supply chain and infrastructure. Their short-term goal is 1 million EVs annually in North America (Tesla currently sells about 500,000).
Also, ending the federal emission mandates is basically rewarding current auto manufacturers by not punishing them -- and those punishments were about to escalate. Basically, they're all getting a huge break that Tesla is not.
I am not a fan of pausing investment in the infrastructure, hopefully we only pause it until they work things out. I realize that it's been a bureaucratic mess, or as some say, "money pit", because they're way behind on getting charging stations running, but that's true of most government ventures. In my mind, this one is critical. Government needs to lead the way in order for us to make this transition.
As much as I'm demonized for "hating EVs", just because I don't toe the line with every conversation point, it's something that must happen in the short term. What is "short term" is where many don't see eye-to-eye. Short term for me is 30 years, short term for someone like AOC is "eight years or the world will end and we'll all die". Most agree that Biden's escalating emissions punishment was going to do little to make consumers fall in love with EVs and much more to punish Tesla's competitors. Most also agree that the very aggressive push to EVs was simply unrealistic.
One thing remains to be seen, and to be blunt, this could very well be a reward Trump throws to Musk... we'll have to watch and see how this affects carbon credits. Tesla made 1.6 BILLION selling it's credits to others last year (I made fun of this general practice not too long ago), if this ends, it's a devastating blow to Tesla. Think of same two restaurants... not only did I lose revenue, but now that the government has decided steaks are bad, they make me give you $3 for every steak I sell! Obviously this viewpoint can be seen as inside-out on the surface, but not as far as the math is concerned.
As far as the tariffs on EV raw materials? I have no idea lol. I'll look into that.
The flaw in that logic is Elon. Elon is causing his own financial woes at TESLA. He made the ev a dem thing then went nuts and flipped to the dark side (Joe Rogan’s weed must be tainted) turned on his customer base. You know how MAGA eats their own every time Trump has a diaper fit? Same here.
EDIT: Guess what the poor and uneducated don’t do… buy 100K cars.
Here's the thing. Musk takes calculated risks. Now whether he will be correct or not remains to be seen. But he didn't donate 250 million to the trump campaign and alienate the majority of his consumer base on a whim. And that's exactly what he did. He had to know that would hit his bottom line at Tesla. He obviously thinks he will receive far more financial gain by being in a position of power in the trump administration than he could possibly lose on Tesla. Early indications appear he is right.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Far more financial gain than alienating half of the consumer base for a company that does close to 100B per year??
Doesn't seem like a very well calculated risk. Which leads me back to your open... Musk does not take calculated risks, he's probably the most erratic risk taker of our times. This is a dude that sold his stake in Paypal and put every penny into an electric car company and an upstart to fly spaceships to Mars. Twitter? Definitely not a "calculated risk".
Musk takes all or nothing risks. I'm not criticising your use of the term, on the surface it would definitely fit most people in a situation like this, I just don't think it fits Musk.
Personally, I think this whole "Musk is doing this to increase his wealth" narrative is false. I don't think he cares about money or wealth nearly as much as you think he does.
Now you have me wondering about what the effect of taking away the tax credit will be.
Tesla is the 800 lb gorilla in the market, and the other automakers are all playing catch-up. Vast majority of the other EVs cost significantly more than the Model 3 and Model Y. I'm curious if that could have a reverse effect (turning more buyers towards Tesla). On the other hand, I know many automakers were caught off-guard with some of the last-minute criteria for claiming the whole tax credit. Many automakers lost eligibility due to a slight shift in the criteria that they didn't plan for.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
LOL, of course I have to own the Far Left Woke Greasy Spoon...
I get the part where ending the tax credit could come into play. Sadly, when I bought mine, the tax credit from the first go-around had expired and not come back with the new one...
What I was thinking of, more, was the 2030 target. So, by that logic, my FLWGS was originally incentivized to turn into a steakhouse by 2030, providing a more direct competition menu-wise.
Also, in a practical sense to expand our scenario, my restaurant has been open longer than yours and I have developed a much more efficient routine with my ingredient suppliers, and I have achieved better efficiency with my kitchen staff and wait staff. What's more is your steaks were all the rage at first, but you gave out your recipe for everyone to see. My restaurant, and a few others have taken it and added some newer elements to it, such that your customers are looking to try my place out more and more. Plus, I'm also more affordable.
I'm really going down a rabbit hole with this, but it seems Tesla just can't deliver on its self-drive promise, and they could be in real trouble. I know that I, for one, will not be purchasing a Tesla the next time around.
And, yeah, check out the tariffs thing. I think EV parts - or at least raw materials - were recently excluded from the planned tariffs.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
Now you have me wondering about what the effect of taking away the tax credit will be.
Tesla is the 800 lb gorilla in the market, and the other automakers are all playing catch-up. Vast majority of the other EVs cost significantly more than the Model 3 and Model Y. I'm curious if that could have a reverse effect (turning more buyers towards Tesla). On the other hand, I know many automakers were caught off-guard with some of the last-minute criteria for claiming the whole tax credit. Many automakers lost eligibility due to a slight shift in the criteria that they didn't plan for.
I didn't know that to be true. I'll have to go back and check, but I was just flipping around one day and built a Lyriq and a Model Y for S's and G's. I thought I remembered them being comparable with the quality tipping over to the Lyriq. I think an Equinox EV is supposed to start in the mid 30's, right? I should check this all out.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
Now you have me wondering about what the effect of taking away the tax credit will be.
Tesla is the 800 lb gorilla in the market, and the other automakers are all playing catch-up. Vast majority of the other EVs cost significantly more than the Model 3 and Model Y. I'm curious if that could have a reverse effect (turning more buyers towards Tesla). On the other hand, I know many automakers were caught off-guard with some of the last-minute criteria for claiming the whole tax credit. Many automakers lost eligibility due to a slight shift in the criteria that they didn't plan for.
I didn't know that to be true. I'll have to go back and check, but I was just flipping around one day and built a Lyriq and a Model Y for S's and G's. I thought I remembered them being comparable with the quality tipping over to the Lyriq. I think an Equinox EV is supposed to start in the mid 30's, right? I should check this all out.
Oob, good points, that's why I don't think this is all that cut 'n dried.
Equinox EV starts at 33,600. Trying to talk my wife into one, she's not ready. I'm also looking at Teslas, or at least how the market changes and Wokesters like you turn theirs back in because they hate Musk (mostly kidding, but I think you said as much recently?). I lot of good back and forth on EVs here quelled some of my misgivings about battery life to the point that I would now buy a used Tesla.
BTW... my wife makes batteries now with the joint GM/LG Ultium Cells. Meeting last week says they may be laying off some workers. Two years ago they were opening 5 plants. One got scrapped quickly, another about a year ago and plant #3 is dragging it's tale to get open. We're plant #1 so her job is safe (GM transfers have way more seniority than previous workers) but the sales forecasts are getting worse.
LOL, of course I have to own the Far Left Woke Greasy Spoon...
I get the part where ending the tax credit could come into play. Sadly, when I bought mine, the tax credit from the first go-around had expired and not come back with the new one...
What I was thinking of, more, was the 2030 target. So, by that logic, my FLWGS was originally incentivized to turn into a steakhouse by 2030, providing a more direct competition menu-wise.
Also, in a practical sense to expand our scenario, my restaurant has been open longer than yours and I have developed a much more efficient routine with my ingredient suppliers, and I have achieved better efficiency with my kitchen staff and wait staff. What's more is your steaks were all the rage at first, but you gave out your recipe for everyone to see. My restaurant, and a few others have taken it and added some newer elements to it, such that your customers are looking to try my place out more and more. Plus, I'm also more affordable.
I'm really going down a rabbit hole with this, but it seems Tesla just can't deliver on its self-drive promise, and they could be in real trouble. I know that I, for one, will not be purchasing a Tesla the next time around.
And, yeah, check out the tariffs thing. I think EV parts - or at least raw materials - were recently excluded from the planned tariffs.
Here's the thing. Musk takes calculated risks. Now whether he will be correct or not remains to be seen. But he didn't donate 250 million to the trump campaign and alienate the majority of his consumer base on a whim. And that's exactly what he did. He had to know that would hit his bottom line at Tesla. He obviously thinks he will receive far more financial gain by being in a position of power in the trump administration than he could possibly lose on Tesla. Early indications appear he is right.
Joe Rogan’s weed must be weirder than Willies’. That’s when Elon first started to lose his mind and why he was having a tough time with the tech bros. He spent 44 billion on twitter and ran it into the ground. He makes so much money. He doesn’t care if he loses some. Do I think he has a plan, sure. But he made a fatal mistake backing a historical LOSER IN BUSINESS to do whatever he wants to do… Now he has to fight with MAGA, deal with Trump being incredibly stupid and easily manipulated, all while trying to do whatever? Grift? Get more government contracts? Make people banish him to MARS? None of it makes any sense until you realize he was radicalized. He went through a massive change in personality and world views in like two years bro. That only happens to losers. Joe Rogan’s weed. Start there follow the timeline.
Personally, I think this whole "Musk is doing this to increase his wealth" narrative is false. I don't think he cares about money or wealth nearly as much as you think he does.
I agree. However i don't think he's doing anything for the good of the usa or its population. At this point i think he's just a tool (dick) with a massive ego. Maybe Rogan influenced him, maybe he just realized how to influence the masses idk. But God Complex isn't too far off where he's at imo
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Now you have me wondering about what the effect of taking away the tax credit will be.
Tesla is the 800 lb gorilla in the market, and the other automakers are all playing catch-up. Vast majority of the other EVs cost significantly more than the Model 3 and Model Y. I'm curious if that could have a reverse effect (turning more buyers towards Tesla). On the other hand, I know many automakers were caught off-guard with some of the last-minute criteria for claiming the whole tax credit. Many automakers lost eligibility due to a slight shift in the criteria that they didn't plan for.
I didn't know that to be true. I'll have to go back and check, but I was just flipping around one day and built a Lyriq and a Model Y for S's and G's. I thought I remembered them being comparable with the quality tipping over to the Lyriq. I think an Equinox EV is supposed to start in the mid 30's, right? I should check this all out.
Oob, good points, that's why I don't think this is all that cut 'n dried.
Equinox EV starts at 33,600. Trying to talk my wife into one, she's not ready. I'm also looking at Teslas, or at least how the market changes and Wokesters like you turn theirs back in because they hate Musk (mostly kidding, but I think you said as much recently?). I lot of good back and forth on EVs here quelled some of my misgivings about battery life to the point that I would now buy a used Tesla.
BTW... my wife makes batteries now with the joint GM/LG Ultium Cells. Meeting last week says they may be laying off some workers. Two years ago they were opening 5 plants. One got scrapped quickly, another about a year ago and plant #3 is dragging it's tale to get open. We're plant #1 so her job is safe (GM transfers have way more seniority than previous workers) but the sales forecasts are getting worse.
Welp, I did have a reply written and then it vanished for some reason. Bottom line of what I was going to say is that Musk has some, but very little to do with it. A lot of the Tesla features I think are cheap. Musk pretty much lied about the quality and maturation of self-drive. I fell for it and that pissed me off. Other car companies are closing the gap.
I think Musk is still riding the wave of "being cool" to brand Tesla over the competition, and his tech on Tesla is still ahead, but other car companies are significantly closing the gap when you look at the actual product.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
