It’s common to take plea deals to save your own butt, especially when public opinion (conditioned by the media) has already determined the outcome (which was a common occurrence throughout the 2000s so far. )
Nothing you typed showed sedition.
No one cared about the police that were assaulted and killed by rioters and police stations that were burned down, and cities that were taken over, by Leftist radicals. When those people are prosecuted equally, you have a point. Until then, protesting 1500 pardons, most of which involved nothing compared to the atrocities that the left committed from 2016 on etc is simple hypocrisy
I miiiiiiight know a thing or two about trials and plea deals.
Here's the thing, if you bothered to read what I sent, Tarrio, and four others, were convicted BY A JURY. After three months in trial.
But I'm glad that you know more than the jury that sat for three months. You should have been there with his defense team to show them that there was nothing that showed sedition. You could have really saved the day!
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Until then, protesting 1500 pardons, most of which involved nothing compared to the atrocities that the left committed from 2016 on etc is simple hypocrisy
And this, my friend, is called deflection.
You didn’t read my post. Juries can be swayed and unduly influenced by media coverage. Like media that makes up and sells false narratives and people believe it uncritically.
A large percentage of Americans also believe that when Trump gave his January 6 speech, he called for a violent insurrection. This was debunked (and can be easily debunked by anyone who is able to look at what he said without bias or prejudice) by the Trump defense at the impeachment trial, but many still believe he did. Because of the Massive propaganda campaign by the left.
It most certainly did. It's not his fault you refuse to see it.
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No one cared about the police that were assaulted and killed by rioters
Show us evidence that that's true. And if you can show us where they were not prosecuted for it. I'll be waiting.
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When those people are prosecuted equally, you have a point. Until then, protesting 1500 pardons, most of which involved nothing compared to the atrocities that the left committed from 2016 on etc is simple hypocrisy
They were tried and convicted for their crimes just like the rioters on Jan. 6th were. You have already been shown how the crimes committed were different and federal crimes. Different and multiple crimes committed don't get tried "equally" because they aren't the same crimes. They have programmed you well.
So you don’t think burning down police stations and taking over several city blocks (Chaz)is sedition? Were they charged with sedition?
I did read your post. You just happen to be wrong.
Now you're just trying to dismiss a 3 month trial by saying "juries can be swayed." Yeah, okay... anytime I don't like a verdict, I'll just say that, too, even if I wasn't in the court room for the entirety of the three months.
Then you try to move the goalposts by talking about Trump's impeachment trial.
1. He was not convicted. Tarrio was, and he was convicted by a jury of his peers.
2. I don't know if you heard Mitch McConnell, but it was not "debunked." Mitch basically said that he did it, but that he didn't vote to convict because he was no longer president.
Look, we're already veering so far down a rabbit hole from the intent of this thread, that I won't speak on this anymore. Feel free to have the last word.
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I did read your post. You just happen to be wrong.
Now you're just trying to dismiss a 3 month trial by saying "juries can be swayed." Yeah, okay... anytime I don't like a verdict, I'll just say that, too, even if I wasn't in the court room for the entirety of the three months.
Then you try to move the goalposts by talking about Trump's impeachment trial.
1. He was not convicted. Tarrio was, and he was convicted by a jury of his peers.
2. I don't know if you heard Mitch McConnell, but it was not "debunked." Mitch basically said that he did it, but that he didn't vote to convict because he was no longer president.
Look, we're already veering so far down a rabbit hole from the intent of this thread, that I won't speak on this anymore. Feel free to have the last word.
You’re not tracking properly. I brought up Jan 6 and impeachment as an example of how people are swayed by false narratives spread by media.
I don’t care what Mitch McConnell says, because videos of the full Jan 6 speech are available in audio, video, and text. So I will go by that.
The thread is about the ridiculous Nazi salute claim, which is really false, and obviously it will be talked about for a bit and then find its way to the dustbin of the scores of silly rumors spread in the past, and will not accomplish a single lasting thing. It is merely the feeble sissy slaps of weak, impotent opposition.
Elon is much better at being the Wizard -- behind the curtain pushing buttons and shooting fire up our azzes. Somehow this Trump affiliation has prompted him to think he is some unrealized superstar and has him embracing the spotlight. Problem is, from the very first time he jumped on stage, he's looked much more like the Scarecrow... falling all over the place and looking like a fool.
First, even though I didn't quote or respond to it I want to say I agree and appreciate the rest of this post. It's posts like these that always remind me that, when it comes down to it, most of us really aren't all that far apart in these arguments. So thanks (again) for the reminder.
I did want to point out that Elon's god complex predates his courtship with Trump. It kicked off with the early drama at Tesla punctuated with the Rogan weed incident and has been pretty much running unchecked since then.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Your post is more important than mine. We've all spent too much time in the divide. I quit this place about five times in the last six months before I actually took ownership in my own part of the shenanigans. Nobody wants to be at each other's throats all day. The least we can do is tip our cap when it's deserved. I think we've all fallen into a trap of walking right by when we agree and only responding when we don't. We can do better.
You’re not tracking properly. I brought up Jan 6 and impeachment as an example of how people are swayed by false narratives spread by media.
They weren't. The only way people have been swayed by a false narrative is when trump called them political prisoners and hostages. How Jan. 6tgh was describes as "a day of love" and just like a tour given to tourists.
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The thread is about the ridiculous Nazi salute claim, which is really false, and obviously it will be talked about for a bit and then find its way to the dustbin of the scores of silly rumors spread in the past, and will not accomplish a single lasting thing.
Yet actual Nazi's believe it was.
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It is merely the feeble sissy slaps of weak, impotent opposition.
You have shown yourself to be exactly what you have described above. These are the words of the weak.
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Your post is more important than mine. We've all spent too much time in the divide. I quit this place about five times in the last six months before I actually took ownership in my own part of the shenanigans. Nobody wants to be at each other's throats all day. The least we can do is tip our cap when it's deserved. I think we've all fallen into a trap of walking right by when we agree and only responding when we don't. We can do better.
Jokes aside, I was with you on this as well. I take breaks from time to time. Nothing on here ever offends me or feels personal, but it can be exhausting constantly feeling like you are treading water and making no progress in discussions/debates.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
You’re not tracking properly. I brought up Jan 6 and impeachment as an example of how people are swayed by false narratives spread by media.
They weren't. The only way people have been swayed by a false narrative is when trump called them political prisoners and hostages. How Jan. 6tgh was describes as "a day of love" and just like a tour given to tourists.
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The thread is about the ridiculous Nazi salute claim, which is really false, and obviously it will be talked about for a bit and then find its way to the dustbin of the scores of silly rumors spread in the past, and will not accomplish a single lasting thing.
Yet actual Nazi's believe it was.
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It is merely the feeble sissy slaps of weak, impotent opposition.
You have shown yourself to be exactly what you have described above. These are the words of the weak.
First of all, supreme Court backs up my statement that many were overcharged by corrupt prosecutors. So deal with that.
[quote=PitDAWG]. I think my claim that people were overcharged over prosecuted has been backed up by the Supreme Court of US , so feel free to go back to silly Nazi Claims. 😀. (See above).
Lmao. The MAGA base is all over Elon’s ass still. And to make DOGE formal, trump renamed the federal digital department… Elon is in charge of websites… AND MASSIVE DATABASES ON ALL OF US. I know, I know, MAGA loves the some president Elon… He would never try to profit from his position.
Tech billionaire Elon Musk has been a public figure for decades, but has enjoyed an outsized profile in recent years, not a little of which is down to his decision to acquire Twitter for $44 billion in 2022. In the end, that deal was almost forced on Musk after the courts got involved, but you wouldn't know it from the way the trollish memester launched into his new role with various galaxy-brained schemes that mostly seem to have made Twitter worse: Including, of course, renaming it X.
A new report by the Wall Street Journal claims that some of the banks that helped Musk finance the deal are now getting a little antsy about their investment (some $13 billion of the total) and are looking into how they claw it back. Institutions including Bank of America, Barclays, and Morgan Stanley have been holding onto the debt, hoping for more favourable economic headwinds, and are now hoping to per the WSJ "sell senior debt at 90-95 cents on the dollar, while retaining more-junior holdings."
The waters will apparently be tested next week with a $3 billion package of debt, which follows a sale of $1 billion in debt to private investors. The problem for the banks is that it's widely believed Musk overpaid for the company, and its subsequent underperformance has only confirmed this in the eyes of many. The only real counter to this is Musk's new political position as some sort of right-hand man to President Donald Trump which, some investors believe, could augur well for the future X.
That may prove wildly optimistic (other investors are reportedly braced to take haircuts of around 75%), because few of Musk's grandiose pronouncements about Twitter/X have come to pass. The interest payments alone on Musk's deal amount to $1 billion a year, while new additions such as job listings and a dedicated video tab seem unlikely to make any dramatic change to the bottom line. At one stage Musk said X would become "the everything app", which users could basically live their lives through: That seems like a pipe dream.
The WSJ report includes an email sent to staff by Musk, also seen by the Verge, which is some distance from the positivity of his public pronouncements on the business. "We’ve witnessed the power of X in shaping national conversations and outcomes," claims Musk, but "our user growth is stagnant, revenue is unimpressive, and we’re barely breaking even."
The report adds that the banks hope to use the narrative of Musk’s link to Donald Trump to recoup their losses, as some unnamed investors may be interested in buying based on a belief that its financials are on the way up. Not really sure how that stacks up, but that's high finance for you.
Hours after the WSJ published its story, Musk denied sending the email. "This report is false," said Musk. "I sent no such email. WSJ is lying."
Well, we'll soon see how many investors are rushing out to buy this debt. Despite an exodus of advertisers and various controversies around Musk himself, the company's finances are apparently improving, but X is simply not playing the same game as rivals like Facebook when it comes to ad revenue.
The email from Musk to staff, which Musk claims isn't real, does sound an awful lot like him though: "We are also seeing other platforms begin to adopt our commitment to free speech and unbiased truth,” he ends, presumably a reference to Meta's decision to abandon fact-checking.
Musk has owned X for less than two years, but in that time the site has transformed from a major news source and online forum to, as PCG's Robin Valentine put it, "something so inherently hateful and toxic as to be avoided altogether."
It was striking to see so many individual subreddits recently vote en masse to just blacklist X links and, personally speaking, I barely use the site these days because it's just no longer a pleasure to be on. But the Musk reign shows no sign of ending: Maybe, when it does, he'll once more have time to level up his own characters in PoE2 and Diablo.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
There's not only the consequences from his actions on X but also Tesla. Sales were down for the first time in 2024. But when you do everything in your power to alienate the bulk of your consumer base there will be a price to pay.
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I don't watch most of your vids posted - some are too agenda driven and verge on propoganda/speculation.
This video is very good and sticks to (largely) fact based observation of Musk and his support of various individuals. I knew of Tony Robinson and some of the others. Wasn't aware of the Afd and just how extreme they are. Anyone who hasn't watched it's worth taking the 7 or 8 minutes. I imagine it'd make most consider Musk in a slightly new/different light.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
You only believe it if there is a D in front of your face.
It's time to let go of it and start reading & researching instead of sucking from the sewage pipe that these news outlets and politicians are pumping into you.
Musk was a speaker at a far-right German campaign event. Among other things, "It's good to be proud of German culture and German values, and not to lose that in some sort of multiculturalism that dilutes everything," and "frankly too much of a focus on past guilt and we need to move beyond that."
Apparently, this was two days before a German Holocaust Remembrance Day.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
There's not only the consequences from his actions on X but also Tesla. Sales were down for the first time in 2024. But when you do everything in your power to alienate the bulk of your consumer base there will be a price to pay.
What kind of Tesla do you own?
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
There's not only the consequences from his actions on X but also Tesla. Sales were down for the first time in 2024. But when you do everything in your power to alienate the bulk of your consumer base there will be a price to pay.
What kind of Tesla do you own?
Whats that got to do with the price of eggs or Musk courting right wing extremist?
The more things change the more they stay the same.
There's not only the consequences from his actions on X but also Tesla. Sales were down for the first time in 2024. But when you do everything in your power to alienate the bulk of your consumer base there will be a price to pay.
What kind of Tesla do you own?
Whats that got to do with the price of eggs or Musk courting right wing extremist?
Nothing, just like the comment made had nothing to do with anything.
As for eggs, you do realize we just had to kill off hundreds of thousands of chickens due to the flu outbreak. This isn't the first time something like this has happened...and really, it started in the last administration, but I am not blaming Biden for the price of eggs
Just don't buy eggs until the supply gets back to normal.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
One of the big problems is with the idea of spend it or lose it. All the agencies have this feeling that they have to spend everything that was appropriated. This leads to late in the fiscal year spending sprees on things that don't even make any sense.
I think the government needs to provide a little more stewardship over taxpayer money. Had that been done in the past we wouldn't even need to be talking about DOGE
I'd be in favor of simply cutting all budgets 5%. I know all departments can do that. Then do it again next year and so on until we have leaned out the fat.
I don't want to go on the cheap. You don't do that. Sometimes you have to spend the money. We just need a little more efficiency. Everybody points to pork, until it is their pork.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Well, if that is, in fact, true, that would put DOGE 0.000025% toward its goal. I guess progress is progress...
What are you looking for?
For them to fulfill promises. $2T is what they campaigned on. Right now they are headline grabbing for something that I do routinely. Maybe I should put out headlines?
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
I do agree with you on the point that the end of fiscal year spending spree is a huge problem. That's been a problem spanning administrations going as far back as I can remember. So far, I haven't seen DOGE/Trump/any Republican or Democrat do anything that talks about rectifying that. There are ways to fix that.
Now if you want to cut every Department by 5%, that's fine, but that would also include healthcare, SS and Defense. I'd like to see how anyone in Congress or the Administration would react to that pitch.
There are also other low-hanging fruits out there that could really help out the Treasury, which I've talked about before. But nobody seems to grasp that. All crickets. Also, we had two...TWO Congressional hearings for just ONE company that bilked the DoD out of what is likely hundreds of millions of dollars across all their business transactions. That was based on two IG findings (that IG has now been fired btw). Zero Twitter posts in this forum about it. Zero substantive discussion when I brought it up. But, here we are getting riled up over a misleading headline on $50M.
I just have to live with the fact that untruthful headlines that don't do anything are what get people all riled up.
It's the new normal.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
Well, if that is, in fact, true, that would put DOGE 0.000025% toward its goal. I guess progress is progress...
What are you looking for?
The desire to immediately determine the program/effort is a failure after a week just because Elon is involved and he doesn't like Teslas anymore.
LOL - says the man who believes there was $50m of aid specifically for condoms in Gaza. Hey, Trump has a bridge to sell you to go along with your Diploma from his University and the Bible you bought.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
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