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Being on a perpetual losing Team and only making the playoffs 1 time in 20+ years along with a Front Office seemingly constant disarray, take a toll on players. Players want money and want to win. Some want to win more than money. Joe Thomas's are few and far in between. Don't blame Myles, blame every single person above him.
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In the big picture Myles request changed nothing. Satire? For weeks we have heard the Browns GM repeatedly say that the Browns will NOT trade Myles. Suddenly his request changes nothing!? It’s not only that we losing a generational talent, DPotY, his request is a direct attack on our GM and how he has handled this organization. If Myles is disappointed then you can 100% be sure that there will be more players with similar thoughts. Right now Andrew Berry has zero control of what’s going on. Today Garrett. Tomorrow there can be a couple of more surprises. No elite running back. No quarterback. No pass rusher. A mediocre wide receiver. A banged up OL. The big picture…
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Trading Garrett in 2025:
Pre-June 1 Trade- 2025 Dead Cap: $36,216,220 Post-June 1 Trade- 2025 Dead Cap: $14,758,895 & 2026 Dead Cap: $21,457,685
Perhaps a reason why the Browns are saying they won't trade Myles. There has also been talk of trading Ward, but the same situation exists: Pre-June 1 Trade - 2025 Dead Cap: $30,399,200 Post-June 1 Trade - 2025 Dead Cap: $10,519,800 & 2026 Dead Cap: $19,879,400 Some mentioned above that Bitonio might retire, but same situation exists: Pre-June 1 Retirement - 2025 Dead Cap: $14,532,000 Post-June 1 Retirement - 2025 Dead Cap: $5,958,000 & 2026 Dead Cap: $3,858,000 The only player the Browns have on their roster with double digit millions to recover via trade because he has no prorate on his deal would be: Greg Newsome: $13,377,000 in cap savings. None of these moves addresses the total 30M cap deficit the Browns and Berry must clear by March 12th. The only players left to restructure worth any decent amount is Ward & Watson. Berry is going to have to clean house if he doesn't restructure Watson again. JMHO, Garrett's not stupid, he sees no way the Browns field a winning team next year starting more than $30M in the hole. The cap wizard has painted himself into a corner he can't get out of without a total rebuild. Tried to get people on here to understand, Berry's so smart he's going to be paying $22,584,000 for Cooper, $14,233,000 for Za'Darius Smith, and $11,812,056 for Wills in 2025 because of his brilliant managing of the cap and prorating salaries and they're all gone. How much more dead cap can Berry create? HOLD ON TO YOUR SEATS FELLOW FANS!
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This sucks but probably, it’s for the best. We got eight great years out of him but couldn’t quite get to where he - and us - wanted to go. I want at least one first-round pick and a couple seconds, just as a starting point. The Bears gave up a tonne to get Khalil Mack from the Raiders, I want something like that. If we are low-balled, wait them out.
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Instead of taking a sentence out of context to create what you want to say.
Here it is in full context and in the big picture his request for trade does not change a thing.
"In the big picture Myles request changed nothing.
We have had Myles in his prime since we drafted him number one.
During his time in Cleveland the Browns have won one playoff game.
It is time that all resources go into drafting a premier quarterback. That includes this year's number two pick.
And trading Myles. If we get a first this year and next. And we were to trade down to six and another 2026 first rounder.
That would give us two first rounders this year and 3 next year. We should be able to find a quarterback and upgrade the talent on the roster.
It is not like in 2025 we are going to contend for anything.
On the surface this Myles thing sounds ugly but really it is probably better to trade him."
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As the Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiase used to say " Everyone's got a price"
Ok after the shock wore off, I'm open to trading him now. We have the #2 pick, so draft his replacement in Abdul Carter, get at LEAST 2 #1 picks, plus a 2nd AND a above average player. I say we sell high now while he is in his prime. Remember, earlier this past season he spoke of foot issues he has been dealing with, it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't get his trade request fulfilled, that all of a sudden he needs surgery and the rehab will last a good portion of the off-season and possibly bleed into the season.
If he wants to go to a contender, the drawback for us is that team will probably be in the playoffs year after year, so their #1 pick will be in the mid to high 20s, close to a 2nd rounder. Also, AB would be making the picks, so take that for what it worth
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I love Myles, and he is a great player, but he was part of the losing. He played on the defense that blew important games. I know it wasn't him, but he has been part of the defense and should get some of the blame. He used to talk about team first, I guess that's out the door now. He don't want to play here fine, ask for a massive take for him. I say trade him to Dallas for two firsts and Dak.
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I love Myles, and he is a great player, but he was part of the losing. He played on the defense that blew important games. I know it wasn't him, but he has been part of the defense and should get some of the blame. He used to talk about team first, I guess that's out the door now. He don't want to play here fine, ask for a massive take for him. I say trade him to Dallas for two firsts and Dak. I would like two firsts from Detroit and Goff. Detroit doesn't like giving up picks, so not much of a chance. who knows though. Garret and Hutchinson would make for one heck of a DE duo. Plus Detroit is my favorite NFC team, due to the fact my cousin played for them back in the mid 70's as a WR
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Realistically, the Browns cannot trade Garrett.
They don't have logical cap room.
Garrett's Dead Cap hit would be 36 million and combine that with Coop Smith etc... that's 75 million in dead money. So, it's not happening. I'm sure Garrett already knows this.
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Realistically, the Browns cannot trade Garrett.
They don't have logical cap room.
Garrett's Dead Cap hit would be 36 million and combine that with Coop Smith etc... that's 75 million in dead money. So, it's not happening. I'm sure Garrett already knows this.
What if Watsons 97 mil gets approved to the organisation from him being out of breach of circumstances and the Browns receive that money ?
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The issue is that according to the CBA, being out of breach of circumstances can only be applied to the league year that the violation affects. I'm not a legal specialist but I believe that it would only pertain to 2025, not 2026. If I'm reading it right, because Watson's contract is fully guaranteed and Watson is out all of 2025 due to a breach, then the team can recover his $46M salary for his breach. When he returns in 2026, the contract terms are still in place guaranteeing him his $46M. Proving the breach would fall directly on the Browns though. I believe that is why the Browns supposedly insured the deal. However, I would think that a breach would nullify the insurance but that's JMHO.
I could be wrong but just my thoughts on the situation. Not to mention that union and court proceedings most certainly follow any attempt to cry breach.
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Wow, what a mess. Looking at a 2-3yr black hole. Again.
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Thank you for that info !
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This shake up is big enough that Haslam will be involved.
Berry will be the point person but Haslam will be involved.
This cannot be allowed to linger on through Camp. Nothing good can come out of that.
There will be the public stance. "We have no intention to trade him."
Behind the scenes the offers come in and are evaluated. It will take creativity by all parties because of contracts, money, team contention etc.
The Browns would have to be looking for a quarterback solution in some way.
Haslam could go one on one with Myles. "What can we do to make this work?"
Maybe Haslam takes another stance and tells Berry "make a deal."
It has to be addressed and a decision made. It cannot be allowed to fester.
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I dont think Myles is going anywhere. Obviously i have no evidence, just speculation, but IMO he's announcing this early in hopes that it has an effect on what the FO does in the off-season (that doesnt involve actually trading him). Not even contract related, either.
if we do indeed trade him, I hope it's to a team with who can offer up a top 5 pick, like the Giants or Patriots.
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It sucks, but I support it and him in this. This franchise is a joke.
As for the Cap stuff; the Cap Hell part applies to pre-June 1 trades. If he is a post-June 1 trade, then the cap hit is spread over '25 & '26 and we realize a net $4 million savings in '25.
JOK may never play again. Chubb will never be Chubb again. Myles is on the way out. Ward will likely follow, and if he doesn't he is just one concussion away from drooling on himself for the rest of his life. Bitonio is almost certainly retiring at this point (he isn't going to hang around on a sinking ship). We have no QB.
The core of this team is gone and we are rebuilding, it would seem.
Browns is the Browns
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Because of Watson falling off a cliff as a player a rebuild is inevitable.
Myles wanting to be traded pushes the agenda.
The Browns have no quarterback. DW is no longer in their plans.
In order to compete for a Super Bowl it is not going to get done with cast offs from other teams.
We have to find the answer in the draft. Trading Myles now will help in that process.
We need draft assets. We need to replace people like Bitonio and Conklin. If not this year soon.
So moving Myles actually is like ripping off the band aid.
Myles is a great player. A HOF'er. We got his best years and we won one playoff game.
Get a quarterback and build around him. Not have a great DE and build around him.
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This was inevitable. We aren't going to be a legit contender before '27. Myles just did the team a favor...so they don't look like the bad guys.
The problem is that our own cap guru likely made any trade impossible. Can't rely on Ward...JOK might be done...Chubb might not be the same...Bitonio will be a grandpa by the time we are competitive again.
Rebuild and look legit before the moving trucks head to BrookPark.
There's always next year a few years from now.
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It sucks, but I support it and him in this. This franchise is a joke.
As for the Cap stuff; the Cap Hell part applies to pre-June 1 trades. If he is a post-June 1 trade, then the cap hit is spread over '25 & '26 and we realize a net $4 million savings in '25.
JOK may never play again. Chubb will never be Chubb again. Myles is on the way out. Ward will likely follow, and if he doesn't he is just one concussion away from drooling on himself for the rest of his life. Bitonio is almost certainly retiring at this point (he isn't going to hang around on a sinking ship). We have no QB.
The core of this team is gone and we are rebuilding, it would seem. Who in their right mind would agree to a post-June 1 trade for Garrett to help out the Browns salary cap? Why would Berry even consider trading Garrett post-june 1 and get no draft picks this year and whatever they get for next year having the possibility of being much worse? Maybe Berry is actually that stupid but that remains to be seen. When you're $30M plus over the cap and already have 27 FA's of some type looking for bigger deals and Wills and Winston not included in the dead cap yet because of the prorated bonus still needed to be recorded (Wills $11,812,056 and Winston $2,232,000), on March 12th these figures immediately get added to the dead money for 2025 when free agency begins if not resigned. As stated in another post, if the Browns restructure Watson and Ward while trading Garrett and cutting Bitonio, the Browns will net about $4M TO $7M in cap space to resign, get FA's, and draft about 30 players. The Watson restructure move will most likely lock him into Cleveland for at least 2 more years. Berry is going to have to gut even more of the roster to get enough money to do anything. The first casualty will most likely have to be Newsome via trade to recover his $13,377,000 guaranteed 5th-year option salary and adding another player to be replaced - CAP HELL IS HERE!
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Over the next two years winning 8 or 9 games would be over achieving.
Moving Myles now will domino as far as veteran talent on the team. Ward, Newsome, Njoku, Conklin, Bitonio, Teller are all guys who could be moved one way or another.
Dump veterans. Gather draft assets. Sounds all too familiar shades of Sashi.
We should use this draft and next year's draft as the foundation. Get solvent and stack young players with low dollar cost.
I had already given up on 2025. I want to see a franchise quarterback on the Browns. If we suck to get there and struggle so be it.
There was not going to be some savior remedy in store and having Myles on the team would make no difference.
The sooner he is traded the better. Get max value now.
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Obviously Myles Garrett isn't buying the direction the franchise is heading under this management.
The Browns boys especially ownership, have screwed up the franchise so bad that it's going to take years to even consider the Browns as serious contenders for a Super Bowl.
Most NFL players set career goals that includes playing in a Super Bowl and 'winning it'..!!
Myles doesn't want to have a career in Cleveland like Joe Thomas who gave his all to Cleveland and never got close to reaching his goal of a Super Bowl.
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We don't play for the Browns, Garrett does. He knows what's going on behind the scenes. Garrett obviously doesn't have much confidence in Berry's ability to build a SB winner. That is why he has requested a trade. Garrett is tired of losing and thinks if he stays in Cleveland he will never be a SB champion. Can't blame the guy for that. Don't be mad at him. Be mad at the incompetence of Haslam and Berry.
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Obviously Myles Garrett isn't buying the direction the franchise is heading under this management.
The Browns boys especially ownership, have screwed up the franchise so bad that it's going to take years to even consider the Browns as serious contenders for a Super Bowl.
Most NFL players set career goals that includes playing in a Super Bowl and 'winning it'..!!
Myles doesn't want to have a career in Cleveland like Joe Thomas who gave his all to Cleveland and never got close to reaching his goal of a Super Bowl.
It's all because of Watson and that disastrous trade. Garrett isn't getting any younger and obviously not happy with the direction of the franchise and Berry's ability to build a SB winner. Can't blame the guy for wanting out.
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j/c:
I didn't see it mentioned on sites that show contract details, but it doesn't look like Garrett has a no-trade clause. So, although Garrett might have the opinion that the probability is low to winning a title here, he could easily be traded to a team that could be in worse shape (in whatever term(s) one wants to define "worse") than the Browns.
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My problem with the whole scenario for people saying trade him now is the wants to win a Super Bowl part. I totally get it for Myles. It just makes it rather difficult for a potential trade to make sense for everybody. The teams with realistic Super Bowl aspirations are picking late in the draft. You're unlikely to replace Myles' value there. The return is unlikely to solve the QB conundrum.
One trade that could potentially make sense in my mind is something along the lines of Gibbs and a couple firsts (plus, maybe more 2s/3s as they're looking towards the bottom of the rounds) from the Lions. Potential regression from losing coordinators could change that value in the Browns' favor going forward. Adding to the running game takes pressure off the QB.
Honestly, I hope they can work it out with Myles. I have a hard time seeing a trade work out well. Trying to get the locker room to believe without him is a tough sell.
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Obviously Myles Garrett isn't buying the direction the franchise is heading under this management.
Honestly, I think he just thinks the QBs in this draft aren't very good. There's not a clearly great direction to head available. Unfortunately, that's kind of what got us into the Watson situation in the first place. Edit: 2022 was a bad QB draft. Kenny Pickett was the only 1st round QB.
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j/c:
I didn't see it mentioned on sites that show contract details, but it doesn't look like Garrett has a no-trade clause. So, although Garrett might have the opinion that the probability is low to winning a title here, he could easily be traded to a team that could be in worse shape (in whatever term(s) one wants to define "worse") than the Browns. This does not seem realistic. Why would another garbage franchise trade for Garrett? He could choose to sit out or at best he's a two year rental. Why give up multiple picks for a guy that will not sign a long term deal and would not want to be there from the start? I cannot envision this scenario.
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Follow along.
Season ends. Myles speaks. Meeting scheduled.
Meeting takes place. Myles is quoted "we are not as far away as people think."
The week of the Super Bowl months before free agency and draft.
Myles issues a public statement. "I want to be traded."
Why now?
He already met with the team. Perhaps they agreed upon how to handle moving forward. Part of the agreement was Myles statement.
The statement lets the Browns off the hook as the villain. "Hey what can we do? He wants to be traded."
Now they can move forward with the plan to trade Myles. That covers them and sets the table for other teams to call. "We are not trading him."
Then when the calls come. "Well we might consider it if the deal is right for us."
The timing of this and how this is being handled will tell the real story.
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This shake up is big enough that Haslam will be involved.
Berry will be the point person but Haslam will be involved. ![[Linked Image from media1.tenor.com]](https://media1.tenor.com/m/u_yuMBHRKREAAAAd/suicide-stick-figure.gif) Maybe Haslam takes another stance and tells Berry "make a deal." The Browns learned a hard lesson in making a player an offer they can't refuse after the player said they did not want to be here. Repeating this appoach would be very Browns is the Browns.
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The statement lets the Browns off the hook as the villain. Sorry Bone, but this is insane, pie-in-the-sky thinking. Berry and the Browns are absolutely being vilified locally for this and 90% of the fans are completely on Myles side.
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I understand the part about a trade to a competitive team not working out and how he could be traded to a team no better than the Browns. This however is the part I'm not understanding..... Trying to get the locker room to believe without him is a tough sell. He has made it plain he doesn't believe in the ability for this team to compete now. His statement made that perfectly clear. So I'm not sure how forcing him to stay with the team changes that.
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Why give up multiple picks for a guy that will not sign a long term deal and would not want to be there from the start? I cannot envision this scenario. Watson made it clear he didn't want to be here. He used his no trade clause to take the Browns off the list of teams he was willing to be traded to. Right up until they backed up the Brinks truck to his doorstep. I agree with you that such a scenario makes no sense however.
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It doesn't matter if the fans are on the side of Myles.
It still makes it ok for the Browns to trade him.
If the Browns are trying to become a winner when the dome is ready which is a driving force.
You don't want a new crib and nobody comes.
What better way to craft a plan that satisfies all parties. Myles gets what he wants. The Browns get draft assets for future years. The Browns can rebuild which they know they must do.
In the end Myles being traded makes sense for where the team is now.
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I don't know why, but I feel the same as others have posted... I don't think he'll be traded. I have no evidence (and maybe it's just dumb hope) but I feel like this is more of a shot across the bow. TC is a long way away and draft and FA could help cool off the situation. I imagine right now (heading into SB weekend) is the low-point for teams like the Browns (seemingly moving further away from the ultimate goal).
That said, if we do trade him then Berry better get a haul or somehow get some major cap savings. I'm talking at least 1 first rounder and/or at least 1 starter vet.
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Sad this happened, but like everyone else, hard to blame him.
But some added perspective is needed here. I mean, short of trading him to either KC, or Philly or Houston or maybe Detroit, there are no guarantees. None. So they could trade him to KC for instance and Mahomes could get hurt, they end up having a losing season. NO Guarantees anywhere!
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Who in their right mind would agree to a post-June 1 trade for Garrett to help out the Browns salary cap? Absolutely every one of the 31 other teams out there. They would trade for Myles at any point or time of year. Why would Berry even consider trading Garrett post-june 1 and get no draft picks this year and whatever they get for next year having the possibility of being much worse? If we're accepting that our window has slammed shut and we're going into another rebuild, then 2025 will be a sunk year anyway where we tear down, shed any dead weight that won't stick around, and get what we can to start building back in '26. On top of that, it's the one move that doesn't create a crapload of additional negative consequences. It has less short-term pay off, but has a healthier long-term pay off.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Why did Garrett wait until after all the league's GM and coaching changes to make an official announcement? If he did not like the current FO and/or HC, he could have made his announcement official at the end of the season.
Garrett wants to play for Super Bowls. Fine. What team makes the most sense for Berry or the new GM to trade Garrett too? Panthers, Giants, or Titans. Good luck with "Super Bowls!"
If he is upset with the Browns, he not only puts them in a bind to get fair market value but financially burdens the team for several years. Any chance for a quick turnaround from last year is null.
Trading Garrett is not as simple as we will get three firsts and a second and all is good. The entire defense is built around Garrett. No one in the league or the draft can match Garrett's talent. It will require an overall to make the defense competitive.
You trade Garrett and it is a complete team rebuild. This year's draft has no franchise centerpieces to build your offense or defense. Nothing good is happening this coming season.
I think Garrett is taking advantage of an opportunity to renegotiate his contract. He wants more money and more contract control. Basically, the Browns are saying all the right things. Garrett wants it in writing.
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I am with you and Oober. The moment I heard about the trade, it wasn't that big of a deal. Miles isn't the first person to ask/demand a trade in the NFL. Sometimes they get traded, sometimes they work it out.
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Why did Garrett wait until after all the league's GM and coaching changes to make an official announcement? If he did not like the current FO and/or HC, he could have made his announcement official at the end of the season. Maybe he did let them know behind the senes Then when we did nothing about our front office he felt the need to go public
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