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Trump said we will own Gaza. Then he said they will temporarily be moved to Arizona. Hey if the president can just say s on the world stage I can say it on a message board.


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Build a big airstrip, put a garrison of 20,000 Marines and Army troops, and another 10,000 of NATO troops on a rotational basis and end this crap of the last 50 years.


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It's just a negotiating ploy right? Pffft. What a dildo.

Build a based and 20,000 US troops? That'll be nice and cheap. And no - the UN wouldn't have anything to do with the disiplacement of a nation of people. But good to see you still just drinking down the Trump Loolaid without thinking for yourself.


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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Build a big airstrip, put a garrison of 20,000 Marines and Army troops, and another 10,000 of NATO troops on a rotational basis and end this crap of the last 50 years.


So you don't want to send a couple tanks we were going to mothball anyway to NATO's doorstep, but you want to drop 20k troops BACK into the black hole that is the Middle East?

Are you only 5 years old? If you're under 10, then I can understand having not seen what we were able to accomplish with troops in the Middle East.


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Trump is really trying to be our generation's Andrew Jackson.


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So Canada is going to be the 51st state. Does that mean Gaza will now be state #52?

What an idiot this MF'er is.


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So, lukewarm response to aiding Ukraine against one of our top adversaries, but now we want to have boots on the ground and occupy a place in the Middle East? That always works out well...


Also, I don't think Trump vetted that claim through his Chief of Staff. The look on her eyes when he made the statement was priceless. If anyone can post the picture, it's worth sharing.


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Why is Trump threatening war with Iran?


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Because people who were bullied as children feel a need to try to be a tough guy when they grow up. Now he wants to be the bully. Then there's the little hands thing but I won't go into that right now.



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What's starting to form is Trump's actual intent beyond the obvious populist motives. Him talking about rebuilding Gaza, plus the timing of the "sovereign wealth fund" announcement, looks like a legal way for him and his allies to cypher off billions of taxpayer money under the guise of nation building.


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Trump said Gaza could be the "Rivera of the middle east". I wonder how many trump properties he plans to build there? So the American people will foot the bill to actually build Trumplandia. Sadly I can actually picture him naming it that.


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What I still don't get about the sovereign wealth fund idea is that it's about saying "Hey, we paid all our bills and now we have X amount of money left over. Let's put it in an investment fund." Not unlike real life.

In our scenario, though, it would be like "Hey, I'm up to my eyeballs in crippling debt. I still am making less than I'm spending, but let me also find a way to spend money on an investment strategy."


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Trump said Gaza could be the "Rivera of the middle east". I wonder how many trump properties he plans to build there? So the American people will foot the bill to actually build Trumplandia. Sadly I can actually picture him naming it that.



How Trump’s Gaza real estate dream took shape
President’s billionaire property developer friend and son-in-law are at centre of ‘deal of a lifetime’ to transform Gaza Strip

Memphis Barker
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Donald Trump, Jared Kushner, Gaza, Property and construction industry, Middle East
05 February 2025 3:12pm GMT

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It all seemed clear to Jared Kushner as he discussed the future of Gaza in an interview at Harvard University last February.

“I’m sitting in Miami Beach right now,” he said, referring to the offices of his new investment firm, Affinity Partners, in the coastal Florida city that has witnessed an eruption of skyscrapers and deluxe hotels over the last decade.

Mr Kushner’s 11,000 sq ft headquarters boasts floor-to-ceiling windows, looking out over the waves of the Atlantic Ocean.

Like Miami, Mr Kushner mused that Gaza possessed “very valuable” waterfront property and could become a hub for tourism – if the Gazan people were relocated, at least temporarily, out of the area.

Prof Tarek Masoud, the interview’s host, appeared shocked at the apparently off-hand remarks by Donald Trump’s son-in-law.

“Is there anyone talking about this in Israel?” asked the chairman of the Middle East Initiative, which was hosting the talk. “I don’t know,” Mr Kushner replied, shrugging his shoulders.

On Tuesday morning, after Mr Trump announced strikingly similar plans to turn Gaza into the “Riviera of the Middle East”, the world was barely talking about anything else.

Flabbergasted analysts wondered whether Mr Trump, a braggadocious real estate developer who cut his teeth in 1980s New York, was simply dreaming of the deal of a lifetime, or proffering a madcap scheme to distract the attention of the world’s media.

But Mr Trump’s own words – and his choice of key Middle East advisers – suggest months, if not years, of forethought. A cat may have been thrown on the table, but this one is alive and clawing.

On Sunday, before he boarded the flight that would take him to Washington, Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister, praised his army for “redrawing the map” of Gaza, adding: “But I believe working with President Trump, we can redraw it even further and for the better.”

On Monday morning, as he waited for the arrival of Mr Netanyahu, White House aides told Mr Trump that rebuilding Gaza would take at least 15 years.

Then began a day in which the president’s blue-sky thinking started to show through the clouds. Signing a number of executive orders in the afternoon, Mr Trump said Palestinians had “no alternative” to moving out of Gaza, which was a “demolition site”.


As he welcomed Mr Netanyahu for a one-on-one chat, he added that the population should be “thrilled” to live somewhere better than in a disaster zone, claiming Jordan and Egypt would be happy to go along with his plan.

In the meeting, Mr Netanyahu reportedly gifted the president a golden pager, a nod towards the detonation of thousands of the devices in the hands of Hezbollah operatives last year.

It was evening when Mr Trump dropped his bombshell, speaking to reporters alongside Mr Netanyahu in a formal press conference at the White House.

The US would take a “long-term ownership position” of the Gaza Strip after relocating the Palestinian people, he said, rebuilding it into a glitzy destination not just for them, “for a specific group of people, but for everybody”.

“This was not a decision made lightly. I don’t mean to be cute, I don’t mean to be a wise guy,” he added, but said Gaza would become the “Riviera of the Middle East”.

According to the Wall Street Journal, Mr Trump told Mr Netanyahu in late summer that the Gaza Strip was a prime piece of real estate, and he should think about what kind of hotels could be constructed there.

Donald Trump reportedly told Benjamin Netanyahu that he should consider what kinds of hotels could be constructed on the Gaza Strip
Donald Trump reportedly told Benjamin Netanyahu that he should consider what kinds of hotels could be constructed on the Gaza Strip Credit: Jewel Samad/Getty Images

However, the plan for the US to take control of the strip and handle the transformation itself was only formed in recent days, the paper reported.

US officials briefed other insiders that Mr Trump’s plans appeared to be based loosely on ideas he floated to some staff privately in recent days.

Throughout, Mr Trump has lent on the counsel of Steve Witkoff, a close family friend and billionaire property developer. The 67-year-old succeeded Mr Kushner as Middle East envoy, promising to “speak with, collaborate and download with” the younger man, according to friends.

Mr Witkoff first met Mr Trump in 1986 as a real estate attorney at a law firm whose clients included the loud-mouthed party boy whose every move transfixed New York’s gossip columns.

It was a fateful moment: the encounter reportedly inspired him to ditch his corporate job and enter real estate himself.

In 2023, Mr Witkoff completed the sale of Manhattan’s Park Lane Hotel to the Qatari Investment Authority for $623 million (£497 million), a deal sure to have caught the eye of the president.

Steve Witkoff travelled to Gaza last week to assess damage in the territory
Steve Witkoff travelled to Gaza last week to assess damage in the territory Credit: Shir Torem/Reuters
The pair were golfing earlier on the day that Thomas Matthew Crooks tried to assassinate Mr Trump with an AR 15-style rifle, and it was Mr Trump’s golf partner who was dispatched to get a first-hand view of Gaza last week.

Ahead of the visit, he met Prince Faisal bin Farhan al-Saud, Saudi Arabia’s foreign minister, and the secretary general of the Palestine Liberation Organisation in Riyadh.

Key to the discussion was Mr Trump’s plan to secure a normalisation deal between Israel and Saudi Arabia, a capstone prize he was unable to secure in the Abraham Accords of his first term.

Inside the Strip, Mr Witkoff travelled to the Netzarim Corridor, in central Gaza, and the Philadelphi Corridor on the southern border with Egypt, making him one of the only Western officials to have witnessed the devastation at ground level.

He described the challenges facing Gaza from the perspective of a troubled American real estate impresario in a press conference outside the White House on Tuesday.

“In any city in the USA, if you had damage that was one hundredth of what I saw in Gaza… nobody would be allowed to go back to their homes,” he said. “That’s how dangerous it is.”

“There are 30,000 unexploded munitions; there are buildings that could tip over at any moment; there are no utilities there whatsoever; no working water, electric, gas – nothing. God knows what kind of disease might be festering there.”


The president’s plan to “clean out” Gaza referred to making it a habitable place for people, he said, claiming the effort would take up to 15 years, rather than the five proposed by the Biden administration.

“They dug tunnels underneath there that degraded the stone that would form foundations. We have to examine that… You do it with subterranean surveys,” he said.

Like Mr Kushner, Mr Witkoff views the interminable problems of the Middle East as “one giant real estate deal”, friends told the Wall Street Journal last year.

While the husband of Ivanka Trump will hold no formal role in the new Trump administration, he recently said: “I’ll give them my advice, I’ll help them in any way they need.”

Affinity Partners, the investment firm Mr Kushner set up in 2021, certainly has experience with five-star real estate projects on sites hit by war. It is constructing luxury villas on the Albanian island of Sazan, once given over to the military and home to a Soviet submarine base.

Affinity Partners has secured a 99-year-lease to develop the former Yugoslav army headquarters in Belgrade. To secure the deal, Mr Kushner agreed to construct a memorial to Serbian “victims of Nato aggression” in the war of 1999, sparking howls of protest from US officials.

But to say that Gaza will prove more difficult ground for Mr Trump and his band of property tycoons is putting it lightly.

Palestinians return to their homes through Al-Rashid Street following the ceasefire deal
Palestinians return to their homes through Al-Rashid Street following the ceasefire deal Credit: Getty Images
The Biden administration’s construction of a pier to deliver humanitarian aid off the coast cost $320 million, before it broke in a storm and took the life of a US army soldier on its way to the depths.

On Tuesday morning, the foreign ministers of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Jordan condemned the plans to resettle Gaza’s two million-strong population. At 4am local time, Riyadh put out a statement saying it would not normalise relations with Israel without the creation of a Palestinian state.

Allies of Mr Trump have stressed that he is “deadly serious” about his expansionist plans to seize Greenland, the Panama Canal and now apparently occupy the Gaza Strip.

But the president was also dead-set on applying swingeing tariffs on Canada and Mexico, two of America’s largest trading partners. Economists greeted these moves with the same wide-eyed befuddlement exhibited by Middle East analysts on Wednesday morning – and Mr Trump dropped them at the last minute, having won somewhat cosmetic concessions.

Could the president’s Gaza plans be a similar MacGuffin, intended to be dropped at a later point and secure the passage of a normalisation deal?

At the very least, there is more chance of such a win for the Trump administration than of seeing a Trump Tower looking out over the oceans from Gaza in 15 years’ time.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...viera-real-estate-jared-kushner-witkoff/

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Trumplandia.


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Build a big airstrip, put a garrison of 20,000 Marines and Army troops, and another 10,000 of NATO troops on a rotational basis and end this crap of the last 50 years.


So you don't want to send a couple tanks we were going to mothball anyway to NATO's doorstep, but you want to drop 20k troops BACK into the black hole that is the Middle East?

Are you only 5 years old? If you're under 10, then I can understand having not seen what we were able to accomplish with troops in the Middle East.

You're an idiot...in a good way.

Look, we have been trying to sort this out for 60 years. Nothing has worked. I think a stabilizing force in the mid-east is needed. Gaza is in ruins. Those people have nowhere to go, they have to go somewhere, but it isn't there. At least not now.

I see it as being the study hall monitor to keep the kids from running amuck.


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So you DO want the USA to to be the Policeman of the world and spend USA tax dollars on trying to keep order everywhere. Got it.

I won't even get into a discussion about how unlikely it is to happen. Just want to know you are all about spending a lot of money overseas in order to seek peace and police other nations.


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So you DO want the USA to to be the Policeman of the world and spend USA tax dollars on trying to keep order everywhere. Got it.

I won't even get into a discussion about how unlikely it is to happen. Just want to know you are all about spending a lot of money overseas in order to seek peace and police other nations.



why is it unlikely?


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Where do they intend to get he money to accomplish this?


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Where do they intend to get he money to accomplish this?

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This makes perfect sense. They just shut down USAID to stop feeding starving people in third world countries. Now they plan to build the Riviera of the Middle East. Only in Trumplandia.


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This makes perfect sense. They just shut down USAID to stop feeding starving people in third world countries. Now they plan to build the Riviera of the Middle East. Only in Trumplandia.

Its the republican way. Do things for rich people. forget the poor


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Build a big airstrip, put a garrison of 20,000 Marines and Army troops, and another 10,000 of NATO troops on a rotational basis and end this crap of the last 50 years.


So you don't want to send a couple tanks we were going to mothball anyway to NATO's doorstep, but you want to drop 20k troops BACK into the black hole that is the Middle East?

Are you only 5 years old? If you're under 10, then I can understand having not seen what we were able to accomplish with troops in the Middle East.

You're an idiot...in a good way.

Look, we have been trying to sort this out for 60 years. Nothing has worked. I think a stabilizing force in the mid-east is needed. Gaza is in ruins. Those people have nowhere to go, they have to go somewhere, but it isn't there. At least not now.

I see it as being the study hall monitor to keep the kids from running amuck.

Was our involvement in Iraq post-Saddam as well as our involvement in Afghanistan NOT intended as a "stabilizing force"? You're right, nothing has worked... and you want to do more of that.

That is asinine on its own, and is 10x worse when you put it next to what you're saying we should do with Ukraine (spend no money)... there's just no adjective for it. We don't want to send a (relatively) small amount of equipment ($) to defend NATO's doorstep, but we want to send equipment, money, and troops ($$$) to the black hole that is the middle east... to try and do the same thing that hasn't worked in that area in the past... because the guy that negotiated the pull-out from Afghanistan randomly said so.


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Gaza will be a "gift" from Israel....



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Israel backs Trump plan and orders military to prepare for Palestinians to leave Gaza

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/06/middleeast/netanyahu-endorses-trump-gaza-plan-intl-hnk/index.html


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why is it unlikely?

Because Gaza doesn't belong to Israel so they can't gift it to the USA, the rest of the world is not going to stand by and let it happen. I know the MAGA boys don't like to hear about the rest of the world, but in this case they're going to have an opinion and it's going to matter. The sort of idiotic speech that Trump gave the other day, that republicans are busy Trying to walk back today, is going to galvanise the rest of the world into resisting and standing up to Trump.


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why is it unlikely?

Because Gaza doesn't belong to Israel so they can't gift it to the USA, the rest of the world is not going to stand by and let it happen. I know the MAGA boys don't like to hear about the rest of the world, but in this case they're going to have an opinion and it's going to matter. The sort of idiotic speech that Trump gave the other day, that republicans are busy Trying to walk back today, is going to galvanise the rest of the world into resisting and standing up to Trump.

There's a lot of territory that isn't supposed to belong to Israel. like bro, come on. You've been paying attention to the same things I have.


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Sheesh, Trump is a land grabber of historical note. This could have been a Babylon Bee or Onion article, but the sad thing is that it is true.


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Gaza does belong to Israel. The 2-state solution does not work. Israel is a sovereign nation. Gaza is the modern-day Judea and Somaria. It is part of Israel.


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According to the Bible?


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Gaza does belong to Israel. The 2-state solution does not work. Israel is a sovereign nation. Gaza is the modern-day Judea and Somaria. It is part of Israel.

One could argue that Israel doesn't even belong to Israel.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
According to the Bible?

Also, the 1948 agreement to give the land back to the Jewish people. The Ottoman Empire in WW1 lost the Palestine area during the war to the British. After WW2 the British and the USA gave the land back to Israel and the Jewish people. From that day forward Israel has been a sovereign nation and should have had the right to do with their land what they wanted. They made many a peace treaty with the Arabs for the sake of peace. During those peace treaties Gaza fell under Arab control politically. But Gaza was still a part of Israel. It never became its own nation. Biblically it never should!


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Just wondering, is taking over Gaza going to reduce the cost of Eggs.....


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So in theory you wish for the Palestinians to be like Native Americans. Make a treaty and then break it. You worded that in a very odd way.

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During those peace treaties Gaza fell under Arab control politically.

Were you trying to say that Israel agreed to this as a part of the treaty? That this would be Palestinian land? It didn't just fall under Arab control.

1994: Gaza under Palestinian Authority

In May 1994, following the Palestinian-Israeli agreements known as the Oslo Accords, a phased transfer of governmental authority to the Palestinians took place.

Stop trying to rewrite history.


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If you are not white financial elites, you are pawns to Trump and Elon. And they want the dumbest white population they can make for breed stock. Perpetual servant machines, until they refine those robots. They would wipe away nations, entire civilizations, to build condos and golf courses. And they say this as if there isn’t a thing wrong with that. Nah, they aren’t imperialist or fascist at all… Emperor Bozo Twitttler and his sidecuck Elon Himher.

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Manifest Destiny 2.0

Let's face it Swish, more of them than would ever admit it would expel all of us from the Unites States who do not share their view of what America should be if they thought for a single second they could get away with it.


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Manifest Destiny 2.0

Let's face it Swish, more of them than would ever admit it would expel all of us from the Unites States who do not share their view of what America should be if they thought for a single second they could get away with it.

you and i have been saying this very thing on the board for years. we already knew, but i am shocked about how many more existed in this country than i previously thought. it's definitely not some vocal minority that people attempt to dismiss.


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Manifest Destiny 2.0

Let's face it Swish, more of them than would ever admit it would expel all of us from the Unites States who do not share their view of what America should be if they thought for a single second they could get away with it.

I would too… tbh. A country with no fewer MTGs would be wondrous. And I’d put the entire leadership and staff behind the current coup in GITMO forever.

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Yet another difference between us. I have no problem with people that have other political beliefs than myself. My problem with them becomes when they try to inflict their political and religious beliefs into my or any other Americans life. No matter their beliefs we are all Americans.


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Me either, I just have a thing for punishing criminals that deserved to be punished. And traitors. Maybe a few idiots.

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I'm certainly not against prosecuting those who break the law. And that applies to anyone and everyone.


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btw, if we even attempt to do this, we lose whatever moral high ground when it comes to Russia invading Ukraine, or China invading Taiwan.


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Probably the plan, Swish.

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So in theory you wish for the Palestinians to be like Native Americans. Make a treaty and then break it. You worded that in a very odd way.

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During those peace treaties Gaza fell under Arab control politically.

Were you trying to say that Israel agreed to this as a part of the treaty? That this would be Palestinian land? It didn't just fall under Arab control.

1994: Gaza under Palestinian Authority

In May 1994, following the Palestinian-Israeli agreements known as the Oslo Accords, a phased transfer of governmental authority to the Palestinians took place.

Stop trying to rewrite history.

One would say that Hamas violated the treaty. There is no such country anymore called Palestine. Gaza is part of Israel. Israel has tried to have peace with them time and time again. Every time the Arabs violate the treaty. Tear it down, rebuild, and never allow October 7th to happen again. Make sure Hamas and all Hamas supports no longer exist. That lost that right.


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Do you not understand there are other groups operating in other countries neighboring Israel that are also attacking them? Hezbollah for one. Taking out Hamas will not heal what's going on in that region. Odds are it will serve to intensify it. So who are you feel fall under this description... "Hamas and all Hamas supports no longer exist"? Iran supports Hamas. Are you suggesting a war with Iran?

Your idea is far too simplistic and won't fix anything. Quite the opposite in fact.


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So what is Trump gonna do now that Hamas crossed his red line?


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Rumor has it he plans to build a resort there.


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So what is Trump gonna do now that Hamas crossed his red line?

He was asked that by a reporter the other day and he said, “I don’t know what Israel will do”. Between that and kissing Putin’s feet, I can now see what MAGA saw in him. Strongman leadership… you can’t make it up.

But he can still rock the mic with lies, dumbass ideas and stories. I’d like to see him get to the bottom of the Arnold Palmer penis size mystery… And personally settle the debate on which is worse, electric boats or being eaten by a shark.

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Israel vows to seize "large areas" of Gaza as renewed war with Hamas kills hundreds of Palestinians

Jerusalem — Israel's renewed military offensive in the Gaza Strip is "expanding to crush and clean the area" of militants and to seize "large areas that will be added to the security zones of the State of Israel," Defense Minister Israel Katz said in a written statement on Wednesday. The Israeli government has long maintained a buffer zone just inside Gaza along its security fence, which has greatly expanded since the war with Hamas was sparked by the groups Oct. 7, 2023 terrorist attack.

Israel says the buffer zone is needed for its security, but Palestinians view it as a land grab that further shrinks the narrow coastal territory, home to around 2 million people.

Katz didn't specify which areas of Gaza would be seized in the expanded operation, which he said includes the "extensive evacuation" of the population from fighting areas. His statement came after the Israeli military ordered all civilians to evacuate the southern city of Rafah and nearby areas — an order that came about two weeks after Israel abandoned a ceasefire that brokered by the U.S., Qatar and Egypt and resumed its bombardment of the Palestinian territory.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said Israel aims to maintain an open-ended but unspecified security control of the Gaza Strip once it achieves its aim of crushing Hamas.
"The only way to end the war"?

Katz called on Gaza residents to "expel Hamas and return all hostages." Hamas, long a U.S.- and Israeli-designated terrorist organization, still holds 59 captives, of whom 24 are believed to still be alive, after most of the rest were released in ceasefire agreements or other deals.

"This is the only way to end the war," Katz said.

The Hostage Families Forum, which represents most captives' families and has long pushed for an agreement to end the war and bring their loved ones home, disagreed with that assessment, however. The forum issued a statement saying the families were "horrified to wake up this morning to the Defense Minister's announcement about expanding military operations in Gaza."

The group said the Israeli government "has an obligation to free all 59 hostages from Hamas captivity — to pursue every possible channel to advance a deal for their release," and stressed that every passing day puts their loved ones' lives at greater risk.

"Their lives hang in the balance as more and more disturbing details continue to emerge about the horrific conditions they're being held in — chained, abused, and in desperate need of medical attention," said the forum, which called on the Trump administration and other mediators to continue pressuring Hamas to release the hostages.

"Our highest priority must be an immediate deal to bring ALL hostages back home — the living for rehabilitation and those killed for proper burial — and end this war," the group said.
Death and displacement in Gaza 16 days after Israel resumes war

Israel continued to target the Gaza Strip 16 days after abandoning the ceasefire, with airstrikes overnight killing 17 people in the southern city of Khan Younis, hospital officials said. Officials at the Nasser Hospital said the bodies of 12 people killed in an overnight airstrike that were brought to the hospital included five women, one of them pregnant, and two children. Officials at the Gaza European Hospital said they received five bodies of people killed in two separate airstrikes.
21 Palestinians killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza
Palestinians mourn over loved ones killed in Israeli strikes at the Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis, southern Gaza, April 2, 2025. Hani Alshaer/Anadolu/Getty

The war was sparked by the Hamas-led terrorist attack on southern Israel on Oct. 7, 2023, which killed about 1,200 people, mostly civilians, and saw 251 others taken as hostages back into Gaza.

Israel's retaliatory war in Gaza has killed more than 50,400 Palestinians, including at least 1,066 killed since the ceasefire fell apart on March 18, according to Gaza's Hamas-run Health Ministry, which doesn't differentiate between civilian and combatant casualties.

Israel claims to have killed around 20,000 militants in Gaza, but it has not provided evidence.

As of March 23, more than 140,000 people had been displaced again since the end of the ceasefire, according to the latest U.N. estimate — and tens of thousands more are estimated to have fled under evacuation orders over the past week. Every time families have moved during the war, they have had to leave behind belongings and start nearly from scratch, finding food, water and shelter. Now, with no fuel entering due to an Israeli blockade, transportation is even more difficult, so many are fleeing with almost nothing.

"With each displacement, we're tortured a thousand times," said former university professor Ihab Suliman, who spoke of having to flee eight times during the war with this family.

Fleeing from Rafah on Monday, Hanadi Dahoud said she was struggling to find essentials.

"Where do we go?" she said. "We just want to live. We are tired. There are long queues waiting for bread and charity kitchens."

United Nations spokesman Stephane Dujarric said Tuesday that the U.N.'s myriad humanitarian aid agencies were "at the tail end of our supplies," forcing the World Food Program to close all 25 of its bakeries in Gaza due to a lack of flour and cooking fuel.

"WFP doesn't close its bakeries for fun," Dujarric said, adding that the food situation remained "very critical" since Israel closed all crossings into Gaza a month ago, cutting off virtually all humanitarian deliveries into the enclave.

COGAT, the Israeli military body in charge of civilian affairs in the Palestinian territories, said Tuesday that nearly 450,000 tons of aid entered Gaza during the ceasefire. COGAT claimed at least some of the aid from the U.N. and its humanitarian partners was being diverted to Hamas.

Dujarric rejected that saying: "The U.N. has kept a chain of custody, and a very good chain of custody, on all the aid."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-palestinians-deaths-displaced-after-ceasefire/


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Israeli soldier tells CBS News he was ordered to use Palestinians as human shields in Gaza

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Bodies of 8 Red Crescent medics found a week after Israeli soldiers fired at ambulances

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Palestinians protest Hamas in a rare public show of dissent in Gaza

Palestinians chanted against Hamas during anti-war protests in the Gaza Strip, witnesses said Wednesday, in a rare show of public anger against the militant group that has long repressed dissent and still rules the territory 17 months into the war with Israel.

Videos that appeared to be authentic showed hundreds of people taking part in a protest in the heavily destroyed northern town of Beit Lahiya on Tuesday. People held signs saying “Stop the war,” “We refuse to die” and “The blood of our children is not cheap.”

There were calls for more protests on Wednesday. At least one was held in the hard-hit Shijaiyah neighborhood of Gaza City, where dozens of men chanted “Out, out out! Hamas get out!”

“We are sick of the bombing, killing and displacement,” said Ammar Hassan, who took part in the protest on Tuesday.

He said it started as an anti-war protest with a few dozen people but swelled to more than 2,000, with people chanting against Hamas.

“It’s the only party we can affect,” he said by phone. “Protests won’t stop the (Israeli) occupation, but it can affect Hamas.”

The militant group has violently cracked down on previous protests. This time no outright intervention was apparent, perhaps because Hamas is keeping a lower profile since Israel resumed its war against it.

Senior Hamas official Bassem Naim, in a post on Facebook, wrote that people had the right to protest but that their focus should be on the “criminal aggressor,” Israel.
‘We want to stop the killing’

Family elders from Beit Lahiya expressed support for the protests against Israel’s renewed offensive and its tightened blockade on all supplies into Gaza. Their statement said the community fully supports armed resistance against Israel.

“The protest was not about politics. It was about people’s lives,” said Mohammed Abu Saker, a father of three from the nearby town of Beit Hanoun, who joined the demonstration.

“We want to stop the killing and displacement, no matter the price. We can’t stop Israel from killing us, but we can press Hamas to give concessions,” he said.

A similar protest occurred in the heavily destroyed area of Jabaliya on Tuesday, according to witnesses.

One protester in Jabaliya, who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of retribution, said they joined the demonstration because “everyone failed us.”

They said they chanted against Israel, Hamas, the Western-backed Palestinian Authority and Arab mediators. They said there were no Hamas security forces at the protest but scuffles broke out between supporters and opponents of the group.

Later, they said they regretted participating because of Israeli media coverage, which emphasized the opposition to Hamas.

A 19-year-old Palestinian, who also spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of retribution said he planned to join demonstrations on Wednesday. His mother has cancer and his 10-year-old brother is hospitalized with cerebral palsy, and he said the family has been displaced multiple times since their home was destroyed.

“People are angry at the whole world,” including the United States, Israel and Hamas, he said. “We want Hamas to resolve this situation, return the hostages and end this whole thing.”
Renewed fighting brings more death and displacement

The protests erupted a week after Israel ended its ceasefire with Hamas by launching a surprise wave of strikes that killed hundreds of people. Earlier this month, Israel halted deliveries of food, fuel, medicine and humanitarian aid to Gaza’s roughly 2 million Palestinians.

Israel has vowed to escalate the war until Hamas returns the 59 hostages it still holds — 24 of them believed to be alive. Israel is also demanding that the group give up power, disarm and send its leaders into exile.

Hamas has said it will only release the remaining captives in exchange for Palestinian prisoners, a lasting ceasefire and an Israeli withdrawal from Gaza.

The war was triggered by Hamas’ Oct. 7, 2023, attack into Israel, in which Palestinian militants killed some 1,200 people, mostly civilians, and abducted 251.

Israel’s retaliatory offensive has killed over 50,000 people, according to Gaza’s Health Ministry, which does not say how many were civilians or combatants. Israel’s bombardment and ground operations have caused vast destruction and at their height displaced some 90% of Gaza’s population.

Hamas won a landslide victory in the last Palestinian elections, held in 2006. It seized power in Gaza from the Western-backed Palestinian Authority, dominated by the secular Fatah movement, the following year after months of factional unrest and a week of heavy street battles.

Rights groups say both the Palestinian Authority and Hamas violently suppress dissent, quashing protests in the areas they control and jailing and torturing critics.

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If I weren't an American citizen, showing this video might make me a target of deportation while they claim this would be me "aligning with a terrorist organization". News flash. The Palestinian people are not a terrorist organization.


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Careful Pit, they’ve already stopped and detained a number of US citizens trying to meet deportation quotas and the administration did not care. I don’t think they would think twice before sending a critic of dear leader to El Salvador, if they think they could get away with it. A purge of “radical left extremist” would roll off their tongues like a “hell yeah, hold my beer” rolls off a rednecks.

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“hell yeah, hold my beer” rolls off a rednecks.

What are you trying to say? I don't even drink alcohol now. I haven't for many years. naughtydevil


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The World Food Programme has run out of food in Gaza

Israel’s complete blockade has passed seven weeks, and “people are running out of ways to cope,” the U.N. agency said. “The fragile gains made during the short ceasefire have unravelled.”

The World Food Programme has run out of food, the United Nations agency said Friday, 54 days after Israel imposed a complete blockade on the Gaza Strip.

“Today, WFP delivered its last remaining food stocks to hot meals kitchens in the Gaza Strip. These kitchens are expected to fully run out of food in the coming days,” it said in a statement on Friday.

Since Israel imposed its blockade on March 2, stopping the entry of humanitarian aid and commercial goods into the enclave, WFP has been the only steady source and the largest provider of hot meals in Gaza.

Only a few smaller agencies are still providing food in Gaza, including World Central Kitchen, which said in a post on Facebook Saturday that it was “working nonstop to stretch flour supplies and bake as much bread as possible” inside its bakery, the last one still operating in Gaza.
ith all border crossings closed, no humanitarian or commercial supplies, including more than 116,000 tons of food from the WFP waiting at aid corridors, have entered Gaza in more than seven weeks, the aid agency said.

“This is the longest closure the Gaza Strip has ever faced, exacerbating already fragile markets and food systems,” it said, adding: “People are running out of ways to cope, and the fragile gains made during the short ceasefire have unravelled.”

The news comes after the WFP in late March said that all of its 25 bakeries in the Gaza Strip had shut down because of a lack of fuel and flour in the territory.

Israel says its blockade is crucial to its goal of weakening Hamas’ control over the population, while Israeli officials have repeatedly stated there is “no shortage” of aid in Gaza and accused the militant group of withholding supplies.

After a meeting at President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate with senior Republican Party officials, Israel’s far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir said on X Wednesday, “They expressed support for my very clear position on how to act in Gaza and that the food and aid depots should be bombed in order to create military and political pressure to return our hostages home safely.”

The Israeli government has been accused of using starvation of civilians as a method of warfare in the Gaza Strip, which the U.N. said could amount to war crimes under international humanitarian law.

With essential food commodities including safe water and cooking fuel in short supply, more than 2 million people in Gaza now face an acute risk of starvation, epidemic disease and death, WFP warned.

The extreme food insecurity has also raised serious nutrition concerns for vulnerable populations, including children under the age of 5, pregnant women and the elderly.

The Global Nutrition Cluster, a coalition of humanitarian groups, warned that in March alone, 3,708 children were identified for acute malnutrition, out of 84,000 children screened — a marked increase from February, when 2,053 children were admitted from a total of 92,000 screened, the U.N.’s humanitarian office for Palestinians said in a report on Thursday.

Video footage posted by the WFP showed depleted food stocks in a warehouse in Gaza, and children lining up at food stands to receive hot meals and bread. The agency said that despite providing a “critical lifeline” to those in need, it had reached just half the population in Gaza.

With food prices inside the strip also skyrocketing to 1,400% of prices during the ceasefire, people are now being forced to scavenge for items to burn for cooking, the WFP said.

More than 51,000 people have been killed in Gaza, including thousands of children, according to the local health ministry, since Israel launched its offensive in the enclave following the Oct. 7, 2023, Hamas-led attacks.

Some 1,200 people were killed during the attacks in southern Israel and around 250 taken hostage, marking a major escalation in a decadeslong conflict.

The situation has raised widespread concerns among international NGOs and U.N. agencies working in Gaza, with the CEOs of 12 major aid organizations in mid-April warning of aid systems collapsing as the humanitarian crisis in Gaza reached the worst levels in 18 months.

“Famine is not just a risk, but likely rapidly unfolding in almost all parts of Gaza,” the CEOs said in a statement posted by Oxfam, adding: “Let us do our jobs.”

On Thursday, the foreign ministers of France, Germany and the United Kingdom also urged Israel to restart the flow of humanitarian aid into Gaza. “Palestinian civilians — including one million children — face an acute risk of starvation, epidemic disease and death. This must end,” they said in a statement.

They added, “We urge Israel to immediately re-start a rapid and unimpeded flow of humanitarian aid to Gaza in order to meet the needs of all civilians.”

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The only reason BeBe is still at war with Gaza right now is to hold on to his power. Elections have been cancelled since the beginning of the war. Something to look forward to in the US.


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Yeah that won’t fly here. Just like a MAGA flag will never fly over the WH.

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Netanyahu vows 'powerful' Israeli operation in Gaza as ministers OK plan to capture the whole enclave

Gaza is under its longest blockade of humanitarian aid since the war began, as Israel’s total ban on the entry of all goods, including food, fuel and medical supplies, enters its third month.

Israel's Security Cabinet has unanimously approved a plan to seize all of the Gaza Strip in what Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said would be an intensive military operation aimed at defeating Hamas.

Palestinian civilians will be moved during the “powerful” new operation in Gaza, Netanyahu said in a video posted on social media, adding that his forces would not launch raids inside the enclave and then retreat.

The Security Cabinet took the decision on the recommendation of Commander-in-Chief of the Israel Defense Forces, Eyal Zamir, Netanayhu said.

Israel, before the last ceasefire went into effect, had already taken full control of a third of Gaza.

The besieged enclave has been under the longest blockade of humanitarian aid since the war began in October 2023, as Israel’s total ban on the entry of all goods, including food, fuel and medical supplies, enters its third month. As a result, the risk of famine hangs over Gaza’s population, prompting alarm even among some of Israel’s closest allies.

The United Nations on Sunday rejected an Israeli proposal for aid distribution, describing it as “Israeli hubs under conditions set by the Israeli military.” It added that the plan was “dangerous” and appeared to “reinforce control over life-sustaining items as a pressure tactic,” and would mean that large parts of Gaza, including the less mobile and most vulnerable people, would continue to go without supplies.

But a senior Israeli security official said in a statement Monday that the “humanitarian blockade will continue, and only later — after the operational phase begins and a large-scale civilian evacuation to the south is completed — will a humanitarian plan be implemented.” They added that unlike in the past the military “will remain in every area it secures to prevent the return of terror.”

The Israeli army has begun calling up tens of thousands of reserve soldiers to “intensify and expand” its fight against Hamas in an attempt to get the militant group to return hostages still being held since the Oct. 7, 2023, terrorist attack.

“We are increasing the pressure with the aim of returning our men and defeating Hamas,” Israeli army chief Zamir said in a statement, adding that the troops would “operate in additional areas and destroy all infrastructure above and below the ground.”

More than 51,000 people have been killed in Gaza since Israel launched its offensive, including thousands of women and children, according to the Palestinian Health Ministry.

The war has also decimated Gaza’s medical facilities and infrastructure and driven most of its population from their homes — often several times. The United Nations agency for Palestinian refugees, UNRWA, recently warned that nearly a half-million Palestinians in Gaza have been newly displaced.

Meanwhile, the families of the 59 remaining hostages under Hamas' captivity issued a "red alert" Monday over the impending expansion in Gaza.

“The expansion of military operations puts every hostage at grave risk,” the Hostages Families Forum Headquarters, said in a statement, adding, “It also threatens the lives of our soldiers and deepens the toll on countless Israeli families already carrying the burden of this war.”

Some 1,200 people were killed during Hamas' terrorist attacks in southern Israel, with around 250 taken hostage, according to Israeli counts, marking a major escalation in a decadeslong conflict.

Israel resumed launching airstrikes in Gaza after a fragile eight-week truce between Israel and Hamas collapsed March 18, just more than two weeks after the first phase of the three-part ceasefire deal came to an end. Negotiations on the second phase of the deal, meant to establish a permanent end to the fighting, have since stalled.

The ceasefire and hostage release talks could resume before a planned visit by President Donald Trump to the region next week, Israeli Minister Ze'ev Elkin told the public broadcaster Kan on Monday.

“There is still a window of opportunity until President Trump concludes his visit to the Middle East, if Hamas understands we are serious,” Elkin said.

Trump said last month that he and Netanyahu were “on the same side of every issue” in a post on Truth Social, shortly after the two leaders spoke over the phone.

In February, Trump announced that the U.S. would seek ownership of the Gaza Strip to develop it into the “Riviera of the Middle East,” after saying Palestinians have no choice but to leave their homes there.

He reiterated those plans after a meeting with Netanyahu at the White House in April, saying that the Gaza Strip was “an incredible piece of important real estate” and that U.S. control and ownership of the territory would “be a good thing.”

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