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"I want so badly to take a QB at 2." I get it. I'm there, too. But, it's a bad place to be. Easy to let your heart influence your eyes and manufacture something that's not actually there.

Ward seems to be the consensus top guy, and the best comp I've come up with is Seneca Wallace. Saw Seneca's college highlights cross my feed on X and had to do a doubletake. Do I want to use the 2nd pick on Seneca Wallace? Tennessee might make that moot. (Maybe Seneca would have had more NFL success in an offense built around his skillset.) There are also so many plays where he just had all day in the pocket to wait, and I don't see him having that in Cleveland. I see TJ Watt having the single season sack record in 2 games. Hyperbole, but I just don't think his style is a great fit against that team.

I liked Dart when he was a developmental sleeper. Now he's being talked about as a potential first round guy and I just don't know.

Knowing how to play makes a great coach, and is certainly important to playing the position. Unfortunately, the physical traits look less big time with Sanders to me. He hasn't shown it to me in big time moments. The bowl game was not a great last impression. It doesn't mean it can't work, I just feel like there is a smaller margin for error with him. I try not to let the off the field rumors influence me too much, but the pre-bowl strip club buyout story has the Spidey sense (or is it Johnny football trauma?) tingling a bit. I find myself hoping the smoke around him and the Browns is trade bait.

Could any of those three work out? Maybe. Picking them at 2 amps up the pressure and expectations. I don't think those expectations are likely achievable unless we shore up what's around them. We have Conklin at RT, but the left side is a big question mark at the moment. Can the big fella hold up there, even if he recovers from the injury and is good to go, which I'm not sure is something I'd wager on. Myles' trade request makes free agency murky, and I doubt we can afford a LT I'd be confident with starting there.

Here is my issue with drafting a Qb this year:

The best way to ruin a rookie Qb is to put him in a system for one year then fire the HC and install a completely new system.
And we are set up to do exactly that.
A less than stellar season and I can see KS getting fired.

I was watching Dart's vids and of course, they only seem to show all the good plays so you just never really know. But damn, the kid looks good.. Is he the second pick of the draft kinda good, I just don't know. I'm so gun shy. What if we trade Garrett and get another 1st round pick? Garretts replacement number 2 and a QB later?

This Watson move cost us plenty.... Way to much. Swinging for the fences seems like a brave thing to do, but Damn.... Still you almost gotta do it when the opportunity presents itself I guess.

To tell the truth, I wouldn't want to be a GM.

You can throw "Ole Miss offense vs 2024" (or whichever team the player you want to look at plays for) into YouTube and get all the snaps in some games usually.

I intend this more complementary than contradictory--I'm not sure accuracy and completion percentage necessarily correlate as closely as it would appear at first blush.

I think Sanders benefited from being able to just put the ball up in a general area and letting his receivers go get it. It's part of the reason I like Hunter as a WR. His ability to adjust his speed to be in the right place at the right time combined with his spatial awareness is almost uncanny.

Ward also can be a bit of a sprayer (sticking with your hose comment.) His receivers made a lot of tough catches.

I remember liking Dart's placement, but it's been the longest since I watched him.

Edit: Is the pitcher putting it exactly where he wants it vs just getting it over the plate.

You did say it, I just figured I'd tease it out a bit further for those following more casually, while also trying to see if we saw it similarly.

Why would they entertain such an offer? With Cousins now gone McCarthy is the only legitimate QB they have on their roster. I'm not sure it made a lot of sense while Cousins was still there because most viewed him as nothing more than a band aid. Then he fell apart like Humpty Dumpty. Now even some Browns fans want Cousins even though he fell apart in a system he had thrived in. I still don't see the sense in that either.

But I don't see any way in hell the Vikings would trade away the only QB they have which would only put them back into QB hell just like we are for a DE. Even a great one like Garrett.

You're right. Only the names were changed to protect the innocent.

I still stand by it. They're not giving up on McCarthy to put their future in the hands of Darnold.

I'm not a McCarthy guy. Darnold was good enough last year that the first rounder would likely be late (or 28th this year.)

Losing Myles for a QB dice roll coming off injury and a fringe first rounder doesn't do it for me.

If you think McCarthy is the guy, okay. To me, he was more a guy. Might pull up his Michigan tape to see how he compares to this group, as maybe the comparison will put him in a better light for me (though comparison probably isn't the most reliable approach)

Off the cuff, I'd rather have Dart. Losing Myles is a bigger cost than the 2nd pick this year to me.

Of course being the Browns, Myles could see a precipitous decline in play, so whatever move we make has the possibility of abject failure.

Assuming Carr is going to be a FA, then I would think he is the best get. Cousins would probably work too. Unfortunately, we gotta go bargain bin shopping for our FA QB. We have a lot of work to do just to get cap compliant, much less sign our draftees and FAs.

I also think that, in order for the offense to get back on track, we need to get Oline and RB positions solidified. I'm assuming that we find a way to bring back Chubb, but I don't think his injury allows us to only rely on him. We need to get someone else and get back to having a 2-headed monster backfield.

Getting the run game going again will make a world of difference for this team.

The tricky part is that much of assumed moves that will get us on good cap footing involve moving Olinemen... and while it's true that Wills is probably addition by subtraction and Conklin is overdue for another catastrophic leg injury, those guys are current starters. So in order to get the offense back on track we gotta either overpay in FA (which we probably can't do), get massive contributions from draft picks (unlikely) or have guys already on the roster make a giant development leap (even less likely).


Needless to say, I'm skeptical.

I see ways that things could play out that I like, but, yes, skepticism of them actually working out that way seems warranted.

If we could get Conerly in the 2nd I'd be pretty pumped, but I'm guessing he blows up at the combine. None of the other OTs move the needle much for me.

I'd be much more confident with Jones as the swing tackle and eventual Conklin replacement than starting at LT coming off injury.

I've seen pictures of him standing. I haven't seen a live look of him blocking 300 pound defensive lineman.

"He was seen recently and looked in great shape" sounds like something you'd read in a National Enquirer-style magazine about Bigfoot. I get what you are saying, it just struck me as kind of funny.

I think the OL could be ok. That "could be" isn't especially confident, and if we're looking to get the run game going, Jones hasn't particularly impressed me in that facet of his game.

I agree with what you said about the interior. I think any plan that hinges on Conklin staying healthy is probably a bad plan. Jones is starting his career with injury issues, talented as he is. Most of our issues are at the two tackle spots... if they were spread around a little more I think we would have a much easier time getting by.

The stud receiver part is why I prefer keeping Myles and being able to take Hunter instead of Carter. I think he could be a really good receiver. Like a make Sam Darnold suddenly a stud type of receiver. (Also, part of my hesitance on Sanders)

I'm conflicted on TE. I'm not against one, but I think we need a blocking one more than anything. If he is also a threat in the passing game, great. I think, I'd rather go Conerly and use him or Jones as an extra OL/tackle eligible, though based on what the draft board (supposedly) looks like. Conerly actually played RB in his sophomore year of HS.

Nothing is perfect but that isn’t a bad scenario.

I disagree to an extent. I don't think Berry and Stefanski are tied as closely as some think. I think enough time has passed for that to be the case any longer. I don't think the coaching has as much to do with the current state of the team as does the roster situation. I think the ice on which Berry stands is thinner than that of Stefanski I know that is a lot of "I thinks", but "I also think" that is the general feeling around the league and in the locker room.

All that said, that doesn't mean Stefanski can have a stinker of a season from a coaching standpoint. My biggest concern with Stefanski is we don't get enough done in training camp. It seems the team just isn't ready for the start of the season. I know we don't want to beat up the players in camp but the players just don't look ready to play physical football. We don't need camp creampuff at the Greenbriar. We need to be in Berea and we need to actually play some players in the preseason games.

I get there is a need to have some balance. You can coach injury prevention through conditioning and things like tackling technique, but you can't prevent in game injury. Sitting guys on the bench isn't getting guys ready for the season.

#2? #33? or somewhere later in the draft? else trading back from #2? or trading up from #33? Where would you take Dart?

I dunno... I DO think swinging and missing on a 1st rounder is a killer.

We have a ton of pressing needs (OT, RB being tip-top). I get that we desperately need a present and future for the QB position, but I think we're going into this offseason with very little room for error.

I tend to agree with you. Oober does make some great points about other needs and I can't disagree with that part of things. We all know that the top priority of an NFL GM is to get a franchise QB. After five seasons AB has failed at that. At this point his candle has almost burned out. One more swing is all he is going to get at it and it has to come soon or he's out of here. He has to produce that QB.

Some may see that as nothing more than an act of desperation and I can see that side of things too. But if they see a QB they think is "the guy" they have to act. Standing where we currently are this is what has to happen and this FO knows it.

I'm sure fans have mixed feelings about that but it is where we are and it's this FO that put us, as well as themselves in this predicament.

The thing is they will have to "guess" at what point in the draft someone may move ahead of them to draft Dart. You may think that, as an example you would be safe waiting to pick #18 to make a move up to draft Dart and some other team moves up to say 16th or 17th to draft him and your plan is blown. That's a huge gamble any way you view it.

I'm certainly glad I'm not in AB's position. But then I'm not the one getting paid millions of dollars to get it right either.