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That is the problem with Berry and the Browns. They have no succession planning and have rolled all their eggs into the season they are facing next only. Show me a GM with a 2-3-4 year plan and I'll show you a winner. Show me a GM with his only focus on this season thinking he can address those other issues next year and I'll show you a perennial loser. Berry and the Browns have a 5-year losing record that cannot be denied. Even now, the thought is the Browns can have a winner next year and that isn't the fact with as many holes as they have combined with your best player calling you out and demanding a trade. Remember, Garrett is saying the Browns are not built to win and he doesn't believe Berry has a substantial plan to change that fact. That's not me, that's the Browns best player stating that fact. This is not assuming failure; I've been watching it from Berry for 5 years running.

And still these past 5 seasons have still been the best 5 seasons in Browns history since the return. Stefanski has been the best Browns coach since Marty. Kevin is 4 wins better and 1 more playoff appearance than Bill Belichick in Cleveland. The biggest issue that has plagued Berry and Stefanski is the Browns have not had a franchise QB since Bernie Kosar. They attempted to upgrade the position with Watson, and it just did not work out. Now is there chance to draft a QB. I guarantee Berry and Stefanki are taking a QB. They were given a QB with a bad attitude that should have never been a number one overall pick. The Browns missed on Josh Allen in 2018. Heck the last pick in the first round that year was light years better than the Browns selection at number one. Berry and Stefanki saw the Bengals take Burrow and seen the Bengals quickly passing the Browns because of the QB position. They did what they thought they had to do to stay competitive in the division. Now they have their opportunity to draft a QB, and they will not pass that up. If they feel Ward is the best pick they need to at least try what they can to trade up to number one. If they feel Sanders is the best option, then they need to take him. If they feel Dart is the best QB they need to take him. I feel it is Dart. Especially in Stefanski's offense. Ward is a younger version on the field as Watson. Watson never seemed to fit in Stefanki's offense. Sanders I can see fitting into Stefanki's offense, but he also seems like a circus, and we have seen that show in Cleveland with Manziel and Manziel 2. I think Dart is best option, but I would give him the Chiefs treatment and have him sit year 1 and learn.

They took a guard last year with their second pick. He was projected higher than they took him before he broke his leg. They were looking ahead to next year with him, which was 3 years ahead then. What other position group were we "old." DT? We took Hall with our first pick and Briggs late. When your old starters are good, your rookies don't play a ton. When your rookie aren't practicing with the starters all off-season, it takes time to develop chemistry when they're thrown in. You're complaining that they haven't done this year exactly what they did last year. They can't do anything this year yet. They traded for Jeudy to replace aging Cooper. He did ahead of schedule as Amari regressed.

When you don't have a QB, it's hard to see a path. If you get a QB, it's a lot easier.

You just described the Cleveland Browns in a nutshell with the current owner and his general manager.
In your post I highlighted the root cause to why we are where we are.

How you going from average to good and good to greatness is about planning wisely, meticulous preparations and taking calculated chances when the odds is in your favor. In that order.

Right now the Browns future is hanging on circumstances outside our control and a portion of luck.

- We have players who’re undecided about their future.
- We need to strengthen our roster on more positions than we have cap space and draft capital.
- There’s no clear path how we should move forward and we seem to deal with problems on the fly.

That’s not a sustainable way to run a successful organization.

I expect this will all work out. There are plenty of players that have said some things and changed their minds.

Yet, it's the way every team runs their organizations successful or otherwise.

-Players contemplate retirement every year. Players seek trades. Players check the market before re-signing/leaving.
-There are no perfect rosters, ever. We have a good number of picks this year. Every team starts facing the same restrictions.
-Perfect players for a team usually don't just fall out of the sky and end up there as if ordained by God. Players that look like obvious home runs bust. Seemingly clear paths can run into dead ends. Things happen. Nothing is guaranteed on the field. Unless you have the first pick in the draft there is no guaranteeing that you can get a rookie on your team. You can't literally address problems before they become problems. You can do succession planning, and they have. Unfortunately, problems often crop up in real time, you can't pick which players get hurt, and that's when you have to respond to them. The draft occurs in real time. The possible paths change as picks occur. Decisions are made against a clock/on the fly.

here is hte cap tracker for 2025

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/_/year/2025/sort/cap_maximum_space2

How are the saints -54 million?

That's cool man. I was just picking numbers. I realize everybody is going to arrive at different numbers.

I am just saying a later round pick isn't worth a high round pick. I am just saying if we trade, we will need more if it is a team picking later in the rounds.

If true, this isn't a good look by Haslem. IMO, the owner isn't expected to take a meeting with every player that asks, but Myles is a different situation and the best edge rusher in the NFL. You do what you can to take a meeting in hopes to calm the waters-- whether that ends in a trade or not. I think this was a poor decision by Haslem, again, if true.

Maybe we could trade MG to the Bengals for Hendickson...which I would do in a heartbeat.

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Agree. The Browns as an organization just cannot help from making poor decision after poor decision. I’ve said it before, they’re just not a serious organization. They will manage to make this situation worse than necessary and it will somehow bleed into the season.

Haslam and the Browns have no obligation to meet with Myles Garrett or to meet his demands. He is under contract for 2 more seasons. He signed that deal, and he needs to fulfill that commitment. It is a contract. The same as many of us sign to perform our daily tasks. Contracts can be renegotiated but not broken. The are binding. They are binding on both sides. The Browns have to work within the framework of that deal and so does the player. I do not see any leverage Myles has beside the media and pleading his case openly hoping the team tires of him and gives in. Besides that, the team legally has the leverage in the deal. I think this will play out all offseason probably into the middle of training camp and then they will come to some kind of resolution.

If the Browns want to look bad by forcing him to stay they should listen to everything you posted. Because it really isn't about how we see it. It's about how NFL players see it that matters in the end.

Which is why smart teams usually try to accommodate players who want to be traded. Playing hard ball sounds great in theory. Not so great in practice.

It's a business. The Players know that, and they do what is best for them and understand the teams are going to do the same. This is a negotiation tactic and what the team does is the same. I disagree with your take because we hear of players requesting trades all the time and most don't get traded. It will play out one way or the other.

If Myles wanted to be traded, he shouldn't have signed the contract. He also shouldn't have later agreed to the restructure that essentially made him untradable. It sucks for Myles, but it's as much his own fault as anybody else's.

I actually think the opposite... Jimmy is like... talk to the guy in charge. not me.


Also, it feels like Myles forgot how the Browns stood by him when he got himself into a lot of trouble.

Spot on!


Myles and his agent has according to reports in the media already talked to the Browns GM and when that didn’t work he wrote a written statement where he used Berry’s words against him why he wanted out. Their relationship seems to already be broken to the point where they don’t talk to each other and clearly Myles has lost all his trust to his GM and how he run this organization.

Right now Jimmy’s new strategy seems to be to delegate the decision to his GM but that can easily backfire if this conflict continues.

Everyone seems to be in agreement that the Watson deal was Jimmy’s decision so the cards is already on the table who’s the leader of the pack and has the final say. When you strip your deputies of their authority it’s hard to give it back. People are not stupid.

The more time goes on the more attention this conflict will get. Force your best player to stay against his will just cement the optics about the Browns poor decision making and Andrew Berry weak leadership.

Just look at it.

$230m guaranteed, tons of excuses and unlimited leeway to a rotten apple with huge character flaws. Kick your most popular and one of the hardest working employee out of the building and then finally force your best player to stay against his will.

Looks great, doesn’t it.

Just some general observations.


1. I agree with Haslam in not meeting. Only meddling owners would do that. Berry is at the top of the chain on this issue. If Haslam met with Myles other players would have no reason to even want to meet with Berry.

2. The Browns are in a position to play hardball, or seem that way to drive up the price to trade Myles. If somebody wanted to buy your house but it wasn't for sale, they would have to come in with a price that made you change your mind.

Much like the Watson disaster, this Garrett situation has zero positives going forward. It doesn't really matter who's right or wrong in the situation because the optics are what will have the lasting effects.

No matter which way this goes, the Browns have a disgruntled employee. Worst yet, it's the face of the franchise that's disgruntled, not a good look.

Current Browns players are watching this unfold, whether pro or con - you can bet these players, and their agents, are taking notes for their current or next contract negotiation whether with the Browns or someone else.

Free agency, I would suspect that any player considering a Browns offer would be reaching out to Garrett to find out what's really going on with the FO.

Influence, whether you like it or not, Garrett has considerably more influence than Berry, Stefanski, or Haslam at the player level. At a minimum, Garrett will have way more influence than the others in the locker room setting. That's will make Berry, Stefanski, and Haslam's job just that more difficult.

Finally, if Berry's plan fails after taking such a hard line (example the Browns have another 3-5 win season), how big will the fallout be for next off season? Opinion: it'll be damn right ugly!

The longer this goes on the worst the repercussions will be..............

This is exactly as I see it as well. Haslam has to keep his distance.. No question. And unless I miss my guess, Berry is playing the long game on this. Make it appear they won't give Miles away for just any deal...Gotta be a Great Deal. Also, I think Miles knows it and is playing along.

A team that thinks it's maybe one player of Miles ability away from winning it all will be the one that is willing to pay the price. Maybe Philly, Detroit, San Fran, Houston or KC.. Those teams have a legit shot at making it to the playoffs and winning it all. Miles can make the difference. One of them will overpay.. Just like we did for Watson.

My take on this whole mess?

Hey Myles if you want out that BAD here is all you have to do. Rip up your old contract and sign a new one for oh lets say 5 million per year with no gaurentees. Then the Browns could trade you. So just HOW bad do you want out of your contract?

Honestly, I think Myles is doing the opposite of playing along. I think he's lowering his value. The media tour de force, tossing grenades, "could walk away at any time" stuff doesn't play that well on teams with championship culture. I'm sure they'd still love the player on the field, but it lessens what you want to pay for him.

IMO, if Jimmy Haslam granted Myles request to meet with him it would usurp AB's authority. AB has been saying right along we're not trading Myles. That should be the final word on the subject from the team at least publicly. How the ownership and FO feels behind the scenes is another matter.

I believe one of the biggest questions I have for people posting is what in fact does "fair market value" mean?

From my experience fair market value simply means what the market is willing to pay. There are only 31 other customers. What that customer base is willing to pay sets the market value. Or do people have another definition as to what that means?

I'm sure Berry will find the "least beneficial to the Browns" resolution to this situation. I don't even care anymore. Two of the very few reasons keeping me attached to the current team are on their way out. I don't blame Myles one bit. We have no qb, and this is one horrible time to be without one considering what's available.

I don't think that means anything. They'll pay his contract.. what I wanna see it what they'll give us for him in return

The only way this is feasible is to cut Garrett, (this would incur a $36M dead cap hit pre-june 1st or a $14M dead cap this season with post-June 1st cut designation) thereby making him a free agent effective immediately and he would have zero reason to sign this hypothetical $5M deal. Myles would love this! The Browns would have received absolutely nothing in draft capital in return by cutting him. You can't just "rip up" deals and try and manipulate the cap. Every team would do this if it were permitted.

I don't believe that people understand that money is not a consideration for Garrett. He knows, his peers know, the league knows, and THE BROWNS know that Garrett will get paid wherever he goes. Thinking that money is the answer all to this is just plain ignorant. Garrett is going to get paid - PERIOD!

So, with all due respect, can we please keep from talking about paying Garrett - he's going to get paid no matter what. Berry has to come up with a better reason to keep Garrett and what he's been selling doesn't have Garrett buying.

That’s a sensible take on a difficult situation.

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I do believe that GM was saying that is Myles wants to get traded he needs to do something with his contract because as currently structured he cannot be traded because of the salary cap hit