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I think part of why I think Hunter could do both are the instincts. I think you might be able to kind of organize the defense around him "Hunting" instead of having a rigid role on each play. You'd need the rest to stick to their areas of responsibility, but could perhaps have him more free roaming/playing robber.

Have him focus on the offense technical stuff and meetings. Let him let loose his instincts and ball skills on D. Understanding what NFL offenses are trying to do can help him see it from the other side.

I'm starting to wonder if the links to Sanders, then Carter, and now Hunter is all just a smoke screen to get someone to trade up to 2 and we slide back a few spots and take Jeanty the RB from Boise St., we currently only have Ford and Strong as the RBs on our roster. RB and TE are 2 of the positions we need help at that we haven't signed a FA or at least a Street Free Agent.

The fact the Berry said when the Browns are on the clock, they are going to use the entire time allotted shows they will trade down for the right offer. I believe they do covet a 2026 1st round pick. I am not sure they are targeting Jeanty or any one player besides Hunter if they do stay at 2.

I wouldn’t trust anything an NFL general manager says this time of year.

If you think that an NFL GM with anything other than the #1 pick in the draft is telling the public their actual draft strategy I believe you need to rethink your position. But yes, if someone makes you an offer you can't refuse you have to take it. Just ask watson.

If we're going back to the KS-style offense, going into the season with Ford as RB1 is (arguably) worse than going in with Pickett as starter QB.

Honest question:

We say he's gonna play on defense... who are we taking off the field to get him in there?

I ask this both in terms of a "putting best playmakers on the field" as well as X's and O's.

I play him at "FS"/coverage safety/robber. Replace Hickman or play all 3 safeties with one LB in passing situations.

Well Ward will miss 2-4 games with injury, so there's that

We need him more on O than D IMO.

And Newsome has missed games every season as well

Sources: Browns, Giants fielding trade calls as NFL draft nears

The Cleveland Browns and New York Giants are fielding trade inquiries for their early picks in the NFL draft, sources told ESPN's Peter Schrager.

Although the Tennessee Titans are not entertaining offers for the first overall pick as of Tuesday morning, sources told Schrager that the Browns, who have the second pick, and the Giants, who pick third, have received trade calls over the past 48 hours -- and neither team is outwardly rejecting those overtures.

The expectation, sources told Schrager, is that those teams looking to trade up to the No. 2 or No. 3 pick are pursuing Colorado two-way star Travis Hunter, Penn State pass rusher Abdul Carter or Boise State running back Ashton Jeanty.

All 32 teams in the NFL still have their original first-round pick this year, which has seen a historic lack of trades in the lead-up to the draft. With Thursday's first round just two days away, this is the closest to the start of a draft without any trades involving first-round picks in the common draft era (since 1967), according to ESPN Research.

In what is widely perceived as a weak quarterback draft class, the Browns and Giants -- who both face uncertainty at the quarterback position -- have been projected to use their first-round picks to address other needs.

ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. predicted Cleveland to select Hunter at No. 2, New York to take Carter at No. 3 and the Las Vegas Raiders to pick Jeanty at No. 6 in his latest mock draft. ESPN's Jordan Reid made identical predictions in his latest mock draft, with Hunter going second to the Browns, Carter going third to the Giants, and Jeanty going sixth to the Raiders.

Hunter, the reigning Heisman Trophy winner, played a combined 1,481 snaps on offense and defense last season at Colorado, nearly 300 more than any other player in the FBS. The current betting favorite to be selected by the Browns with the No. 2 pick, Hunter has said that he hopes to continue playing both offense and defense in the NFL.

Browns general manager Andrew Berry said last week that he believes Hunter is worth one of the top picks in the draft, comparing him to Major League Baseball two-way star Shohei Ohtani. Giants GM Joe Schoen also praised Hunter's unique ability last week and said New York would "not be afraid to play him on both sides of the ball."

Although Cleveland and New York both already boast a strong pass rush, they have been linked to Carter as well after the former Penn State star's breakout 2024 season.


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...nts-fielding-trade-calls-nfl-draft-nears

Sounds like this guy knows, so I can quit wondering.

j/c:

Worse than Penix Jr and Rattler?

I'm no fan of this QB class, but that seems harsh.

This is a fake account.....Adam Schelfer (@AdamSche1fer)

woah. good catch!

I should have realized that.

my bad!

I have a gut feeling the Cowboys are one of the teams talking to us about the #2 pick. We've traded with them 2-3 times before and I think they are coveting Abdul Carter. Can you imagine him with Parsons? It would be just as awesome as him with Myles.

IF we trade down, how far are people willing to go?
Assuming fair value

Who would you be looking at taking if we drop down?

Not sure I want to go as far as 12 with the Cowboys, maybe 10. If we trade with the Cowboys no way unless we pick up at least 1 additional first, 2 seconds and a third.

Player wise with a later choice? Who knows who will be left. BPA ?

Not any news but I felt that this was interesting figured it was worth being here.

According to the Rich Hill Trade Value Model - 2025 Version:

If Berry was to facilitate a trade with the Dallas Cowboys:

DALLAS could get:
Browns 2025 Rd 1 Pick #2 has a value of 2600
Browns 2025 Rd 6 Pick #200 has a value of 11
TOTAL TRADE VALUE = 2611

CLEVELAND could get:
Cowboys 2025 Rd 1 Pick #12 has a value of 1200
Cowboys 2025 Rd 2 Pick #44 has a value of 460
Cowboys 2025 Rd 7 Pick #239 has a value of 1
Cowboys 2026 Rd 1 Pick would be 1200 (2025 Pick #12 value) x .75 = 900 value (the equivalent of the Rd 1 Pick #18)
Note: Value could be higher or lower depending on if Dallas is better or worse than #18
Cowboys 2026 Rd 4 Pick would be 66 (2025 Pick #114 value) x .75 = 49.5 value (the equivalent of the Rd 4 Pick #123)
Note: Value could be higher or lower depending on if Dallas is better or worse than #123
TOTAL TRADE VALUE = 2610.5

NFL teams typically apply a discount to future draft picks based on several factors, including the uncertainty of player development, the time value of assets, and the specific needs of the team. While there isn't a universally accepted formula, a common practice is to apply a discount of around 20-30% for draft picks in future years. Time Value of Money: Future picks are generally seen as less valuable than current picks because they represent a longer wait before the team can utilize the asset. While there is no strict rule, a general discount of 20-30% is a good guideline for assessing the value of future draft picks compared to current ones. I went down the middle and used a 25% discount for the post.

(I suppose this could go in the predictions thread but since I've posted this here before....)

Life Savings Depletion Update:

1. Pick #3 will be Abdul Carter (+300). The line has since moved to -650 since making my bet. The favorite pick.
2. Pick #4 will be Will Campbell (+250). The line has since moved to -575 since making my bet. The favorite pick.
3. Pick #5 will be Mason Graham (-125). The line has since moved to +220. Ashton Jeanty has become the favorite here in recent days. I don't buy it unless there is a trade.
4. Pick #6 will be Ashton Jeanty (-150). The line has since moved to +145. Still the favorite pick.
5. Pick #7 will be Armand Membou (-115). The line has since moved to +190. Still the favorite pick here.
6. Pick #8 will be Jalon Walker (+150). The line has since moved to +130. Still the favorite pick here. I could see the Panthers moving down here, though.
7. Pick #9 will be Jaxon Dart (+550). The line has since moved to +1000. Mykel Williams is the favorite pick here. Not good line movement re: Dart....I might have got caught up in the hype of the 'Dart Moving Up" news. I like Tyler Warren (+650) a little.
8. Pick #10 will be Tyler Warren (+350). The line has since moved to +370. The favorite pick here.
9. Shedeur Sanders Over 8.5 draft position (-300). The allowable bet has now shifted to Over/Under at 10.5. Over is -370. Under is +280.
10. Jaxon Dart Under 24.5 draft position (-155). The line has moved to -200.
11. Browns to draft BOTH Travis Hunter and Shedeur Sanders (+850). The line has moved to +240. Interesting.

Edit: I couldn't bet picks 1 & 2 when I started making my picks a few ago...they weren't available.

If true, I don't think this is necessarily surprising to anyone.

I think they're likely in talks with everyone about everything. More about gauging costs/value than anything being imminent, though. ...Although, I suppose tomorrow night is somewhat imminent. I think 24 with MIN might be a potential jump up spot. They might want to recoup some draft capital (no 2nd as is, and only 4 picks total) and Berry and Kwesi would seem to have a good working relationship. I'm also not sure there's much of a gap between the talent likely to be available at 24 and 33, with QB being the position that could have a substantial drop off, possibly.

edit: I think the Steelers at 21 might be the fly in the ointment, though. Really don't want Milroe to end up there.

Giants too.

It's starting to get a little crazy out there......

And now we've reached the "this is racism" part of the program.

Just for you, Milk:

Late 2025 NFL Draft nuggets: Shedeur Sanders, Jalen Milroe, Cowboys chatter and potential trades


Two years ago, it was Will Levis. Last year, it was Michael Penix Jr. And this year, it will almost surely be Colorado’s Shedeur Sanders.

Despite the ceaseless collection of data, a titanic amount of brain power and the endless decoding of intelligence, NFL teams fail to correctly assess the destinations of quarterback prospects. Franchises will pin grades to players, stack their positional rankings and take their best shot at how the draft is likely to unfold. More often than not, they come up with positional rankings and guesstimations that are fairly similar — with an acute perception of what players are most likely to be first-round draft picks and what teams are targeting them.

Quarterbacks, though, tend to be tricky.

As one longtime evaluator framed it Monday: “More than any position, it can get wild with quarterbacks. Every year, I can say, ‘Here’s the best five or six [offensive] tackles’ and then tell you, ‘They’ll all go in the first 50 picks,' and that will happen. But quarterbacks, it can be all over. To the point that I think one should come off in the fourth [round] and a team takes him in the second — and also vice versa.”

After talking to a swath of executives across 10 teams the past several days, this looks like that kind of draft. Starting after Miami’s Cam Ward — who is now universally accepted as the Tennessee Titans' pick at No. 1 overall — it’s a roller coaster of variance. Among 10 teams, half still assessed Sanders as a possible top-10 pick on Thursday night. Four others were pinning him somewhere in the middle of the first round, while one team had him in the second. Despite skepticism that Sanders will get selected at No. 3 overall by the New York Giants, or No. 6 by the Las Vegas Raiders or No. 9 by the New Orleans Saints, a strong ribbon of executives still believe Sanders will exit Thursday having gone in the top 10.

If that seems like a murky picture, it’s nothing compared to Alabama quarterback Jalen Milroe, who was invited to the draft in Green Bay, raising speculation that he might be a surprise first-round pick on Thursday. Even I believed that could be a possibility after hearing some very positive reviews in recent weeks about what Milroe brings to the table as an elite runner and still-developing passer. Among the 10 teams I polled, all assessed him as a late second- to mid-third-round pick. And yet, executives from five teams gave credence to the idea that a franchise that isn’t readily obvious could fall in love with Milroe’s overall athletic profile, skills and running ability, and try to get into the very tail end of the first round with the idea of taking Milroe and developing him into a five-year rookie contract horizon.

“[General managers] will do deals with themselves for a big-armed athlete,” one executive said. “You break some rules for those players. Especially if there’s a need at the position, or even if there’s a future need. Look at Lamar [Jackson] when the [Baltimore] Ravens took him with the last pick [in the 2018 draft’s first round]. I’m not saying Milroe is Lamar Jackson — not at all — but I’m sure there are people still kicking themselves for not taking a gamble on the overall talent rather than the finished product.”

With all of this in mind, and having picked brains inside 10 teams, I can say this: I cannot 100 percent rule out that Sanders could go No. 3 overall to the Giants, although I believe a much more likely scenario would be New York taking Abdul Carter and then trading back into the first round to select Sanders if he slides toward the bottom of the first round. It's a scenario that is absolutely possible, if not seemingly likely at this point.

As for Milroe, I was a little surprised how overwhelming the late second- to early third-round assessment was on him, and yet I still can’t rule out that we see a shocker (and it still would qualify as a shocker at this point) that ends up with him coming off the board in the first round.

As much as I hate the “It only takes one to like you” cliché, it fits here. With both players, really.

Now, on to a few other things as the final hours of the pre-draft clock whittle away …

I think three franchises have some realistic buzz around them when it comes to trading on the clock: The Denver Broncos possibly moving up from 20th overall for a wideout or running back, the Pittsburgh Steelers moving back from 21st to accrue more draft capital and possibly take a quarterback closer to the end of the first round, and the Buffalo Bills moving up from 30th overall if a cornerback they like starts to come down the board and get in their range. If Texas corner Jahdae Barron gets to the 21st pick in the draft, I could absolutely see the Bills calling and inquiring about moving to 21 from 30. It’s worth noting the Bills have two second-round picks to help them climb up the board if they see an opportunity present itself in the first round.

I think it would be a surprise if the Jacksonville Jaguars didn’t take an offensive skill position player at fifth overall. I’ll just leave it at that.

I think I’ve been wrong for more than a month about the New Orleans Saints being locked into a quarterback with the No. 9 overall pick. I put Shedeur Sanders there in March … then I most recently adjusted that to Jaxson Dart. Now I think the pick will more than likely be an offensive tackle or RB Ashton Jeanty if he makes it to ninth.

I think the San Francisco 49ers have been pounding high-end defensive line/edge players in their pre-draft work and it became obvious to a lot of teams. To the point that I’m now convinced they are taking a defensive line or edge player at No. 11 overall. (I will leave open the door for a trade back.) I don’t think there’s much appetite for a move to 11 right now, but if Ashton Jeanty somehow gets to that spot, I’d peg the Denver Broncos as a caller to move into that spot.

I think we’re going to see a first round dominated by offensive linemen, defensive linemen and edge rushers, with as many as nine offensive line picks in the first, versus 10 first-round picks devoted to defensive tackles and edge defenders. Inside that group, you’re going to want to pay close attention to the offensive tackle spot because after the top five guys in the stack — LSU’s Will Campbell, Missouri’s Armand Membou, Texas’ Kelvin Banks Jr., Oregon’s Josh Conerly Jr. and Ohio State’s Josh Simmons — the evaluators that I spoke to had a significant drop to the next shelf, with the next set of tackles assessed as late second- to early third-round grades. Bottom line: If your team badly needs a starting offensive tackle for 2025, it really needs to get him in the first round.

I think the quarterback spot has some big variance based on a multitude of factors, but the QB stack for most teams is in this order: Miami's Cam Ward, Colorado's Shedeur Sanders, Louisville’s Tyler Shough, Ole Miss’s Jaxson Dart and Alabama's Jalen Milroe. Interestingly, quite a few teams have Syracuse quarterback Kyle McCord ahead of Texas quarterback Quinn Ewers in their stack, with Ewers assessed as a fourth- to fifth-round prospect. That surprised me after seeing some mock drafts with Ewers coming off in the second round.

I think the top-five running back stack for most teams is: Boise State’s Ashton Jeanty, North Carolina’s Omarion Hampton, a neck-and-neck battle between Ohio State’s TreVeyon Henderson and Quinshon Judkins at third and fourth, and Iowa’s Kaleb Johnson at fifth. One shocker for me: There are some ice-cold assessments on Arizona State’s Cam Skattebo, who is landing with a thud as a late fourth/early fifth-round grade. After Skattebo got a lot of votes for this year’s All-Juice Team, I really thought he’d have a higher profile among teams and possibly get himself into solid third-round range. Now I’m not so sure. I don’t know what to think of this one. I was shocked how down some teams were on him.

I think there’s a very good chance we have only three first-round wideouts in this draft and if Arizona’s Tetairoa McMillan comes off the board before the Dallas Cowboys pick at No. 12, we’ll end up seeing Dallas choose between Texas’ Matthew Golden and Ohio State’s Emeka Egbuka … unless there is a cornerback available that Dallas has higher on its board. At this point, I’d be surprised if the Cowboys pick wasn’t a wideout or corner, although I will admit simply taking the best available player — rather than for need — has worked out well for the Cowboys in recent years. If the Cowboys pull a surprise and take Missouri’s Luther Burden III, it would be a stunner. The vast majority of teams have Burden solidly in the second round in their stack. And one last thing about McMillan: he’s a much more acquired taste as a player than I initially thought. It was a pretty even split in terms of teams that had him as a top-10 pick, versus middle of the first round and late in the first round in their stack.

I think the only thing that surprised me about the tight end stack is that so many teams have Bowling Green’s Harold Fannin Jr. solidly in the late third/high fourth area, and their fifth-best tight end prospect. A year ago, I spoke with some talent evaluators who thought Fannin was potentially the top tight end in this draft. That has definitely changed.

I think defensive line and edge rusher is easily the most lucrative part of the 2025 draft — in all respects. Based on the stacks that I looked at, if you’re looking for high end or rotational depth along the defensive tackle or edge rusher spots, we very easily could see 40-50 players selected to fill those roles.

I think the very recent buzz building around UCLA linebacker Carson Schwesinger flying up boards and landing as a first-round pick Thursday might be a little overcooked. Of the 10 teams I spoke to, none had him rated as more than a middle second-round pick. Perhaps he blew some teams away, but Alabama’s Jihaad Campbell was the only linebacker who had any consensus whatsoever as a first-round pick in this draft.

That’s it after a few days of calls. Let’s hurry up and get to Thursday already.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/articl...tter-and-potential-trades-071643664.html

Looks like we're embracing this dawg logo more and more.

And shocking, a guitar......there is always a guitar when it comes to Cleveland stuff.

Anything but that stupid f-in elf.

DT needs a 'dislike' button.

:-p

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