DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski sign contract extensions with the Browns

I do not believe the team is tanking in 2025. If they were tanking, they would have traded Myles Garrett, Denzil Ward. They would have encouraged Joel Bitonio to retire. They would not have signed Joe Flacco back. When the team tanked in 2016 and 2017 Deshone Kizer and similar were the QBs. If they wanted to tank, they would have just kept DTR and let him do his thing. They would have taken the offer from the Bears to trade down from 5 to 10, they would have taken the multiple offers to trade down from 33. I believe the Browns are going to attempt to win as many games as possible. Problem is they are in a division with Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, and possibly Aaron Rogers so while it is not impossible to win those games there is a difference between trying to put the best possible team on the field vs tanking. This team could be a 5-win team. I think they were better last year than a 3-win team with just a competent QB. The team's ceiling is if the defense plays really well like 2023 which is possible and the run game improves dramatically with competent QB play a 10/11 win wild card team. More than likely somewhere between 5 and 10 wins.

https://www.nfl.com/news/panthers-q...high-ankle-sprain-p-j-walker-in-line-to-
Baker Mayfield suffered a high ankle sprain in Sunday's loss to San Francisco, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported on Monday, per sources informed of the situation. The nature of the injury means Mayfield is expected to miss some time, though the duration remains undetermined until results come back from more tests and additional opinions.

Mayfield didn't lose his starting job to anyone. Mayfield was out 2 weeks and didn't play the week he returned Week 8 (early), and they stayed with PJ Walker.

Mayfield played in week 9 against Cincinnati and lit it up in a losing effort:
14/20 for 150 yds and a 70% completion percentage. 2 TD's with 0 INTs for a QB Rating of 126,0
However, there were other things happening in Carolina that Mayfield had no control over and Wilks went back to PJ Walker:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/10/27/baker-mayfield-comments-on-being-qb2-for-first-time-since-injury
Now led by interim coach Steve Wilks, the Panthers (2–5) have been busy re-tinkering its personnel in the time since Mayfield’s hiatus. In addition to moving on to Walker, the club moved on from coach Matt Rhule, and traded Robbie Anderson (Cardinals) and Christian McCaffrey (49ers) ahead of the Nov. 1 deadline.

While Mayfield was out, the HC was fired, one of his top WR's traded, and the best RB in football was traded away.

As far as Darnold is concerned, Darnold was injured the majority of the season and didn't start a game until week 12 after the Panthers had already blew up the team and Mayfield had already asked for his release which then occurred on that Monday 12/5/2022.

Just a thought, how'd it work out for the Browns QB's when Chubb and Copper were both missing?

I get people don't like Mayfield for whatever reason but let's not fabricate stories about him without the facts.

I really like Baker but I don't try to fabricate stories that he didn't have to go through what we went to in order to mature and succeed in the NFL.

It’s my way to prepare myself for disappointments.

I’m a little bit like the elder version of you. Lots of passion, engagement and full of hopes.
That doesn’t work well when you’re 60+ years old. I need to take care of my blood pressure.

One of my biggest flaws is that I get sarcastic and extremely critical when I see too much incompetence. I’m not proud of myself being so negative.
Cleveland Browns. Manchester United. My local hockey team. My NT in soccer and ice hockey. They’re all worthless atm.
Their lack of competitiveness take away some of the joy of watching my favorite teams and I hate it.

Back to topic.
I simply can’t give our current leadership any credit. So many bad decisions. So many times they mishandle conflicts and create unnecessary dram.
I simply can’t be positive when I see so much incompetence..

Take Shedeur Sanders as an example.
The young man hasn’t even put the Browns helmet on his head before Andrew Berry just oozes indifferent energy on him.
That’s not how you make young players feel welcome and wanted. Of course the working environment inside the locker room suffers with such an attitude from the GM.

Listen to how the Jaguars introduced Travis Hunter. World class and that’s how to create trust and a good relationship between the players and the leadership.
Look how the Bucs welcomed an un drafted Shilo Sanders, just to name a few.

Let’s be real. The Brown lacks professionalism and competence in too many areas. That’s just how it looks Pit and I don’t like it.

I'm well past 60 years old. Try again. I actually explained my lack of passion since they signed watson on this very board just yesterday. None of that is a reason to look for to seeing a losing press conference.

Berry didn't "exude" negative energy on anyone. I will say for a man your age you do have a vivid imagination. So you got that going for you.

FFS Pit!

What world do you live in?
It reminds me when he introduced Deshaun Watson. Like a funeral. A lot of words but not much means something, no engagement, zero passion and zero endorsement about Shedeur Sanders personality and character

The third video is the Jaguars introducing Travis Hunter.
Compare and ask yourself who do you prefer.


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The Browns FO/coaching staff’s reaction was almost the same for every pick.

I have never said that Mayfield didn't have some issues to correct. However, the hate that gets spewed that is historically wrong and fabricated serves no purpose except self-gratification. Each person can have their own opinion of the guy but making up stuff to make yourself feel better about the hate is just plain childish. As each year passes, the decision of Berry, Stefanski, and Haslam to move on from Mayfield looks like a bigger and bigger mistake. 2025 will prove once again the gross error they made reaching for that shiny object and not working through the issues they had with Mayfield. I mean really, right now - the Browns 2025 season hinges on the performance of a 40-year-old backup QB on his 6th team since 2018 (8 yrs) who hasn't started more than 8 games in a season since 2018. Is this acceptable on any level from a GM and HC that are also sporting a 5-year losing record? Do you realize that 44% of Stefanski's wins came when Mayfield was the QB including 67% of the playoff games played? Just an FYI no one wants to acknowledge.

The BM thing was years ago. We’ve moved on, he’s in TB and doing well and I’m glad for him, you’ll never see me rip Baker. A lot of people are saying we had a good draft. What are your thoughts on our picks?
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Believe it or not, you and I are much closer on the topic than it sounds. I just kinda grinds my gears when people ignore the 2 other teams that dumped him while trying to make it sound like the Browns knowingly dumped a HoF-bound QB because... reasons.

It's a black mark that Stefanski and co. couldn't coach and/or ride it out with Baker until he decided to mature a little. But at the end of the day, Baker isn't in Cleveland because Baker's attitude/performance.

Yes, it was... and if we are going to get into a debate on whether we are better off with Berry/Stefanski vs. Gladstone/Coen... I will take the experience and believe the Browns are moving in the right direction after the Watson fiasco, which is squarely on Haslem. One of the first moves from the new regime in Jacksonville is to trade (3) top draft picks for a two way WR/CB.

Does anyone think Hunter is AJ Green, Marvin Harrison or Calvin Johnson? These are the types of receivers drafted as high as he was.. As for DB, as far as I can tell, Eric Turner a safety was the highest drafted DB at #2 overall that I can find. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

So, unless you believe he is going to be a two way player, not just starter and contribute at a high level on at least one side of the ball and be an average contributor on the other side of the ball, not only is #2 overall too high for him to be picked, but giving up #5, #36 and a future first round draft pick is reckless.

It's a great gimmick and I wish him well. I just don't see what everyone else does. I think his success is going to be measured on a curve. If he is a 1,000 yard receiver and he gets an INT or two, then they will rave about the pick.

In the meantime, if Mason Graham helps Garrett get back to 16+ sacks and gets a couple of his own, he will be more impactful on the Browns defense. Also, if Judkins can beat Hunter's output on offense, then the first two picks will already beat the move up by the Jaguars. Adding in the 2026 first round pick is what makes this trade wreckless, imho.

Value is in the eye of the beholder. Personally, the experience of Berry fleeced the inexperience of Gladstone the first round of the draft.