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The abrupt pivot on an issue at the heart of Mr. Trump’s presidency suggested his broad immigration crackdown was hurting industries and constituencies he does not want to lose. The Trump administration has abruptly shifted the focus of its mass deportation campaign, telling Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials to largely pause raids and arrests in the agricultural industry, hotels and restaurants, according to an internal email and three U.S. officials with knowledge of the guidance. The decision suggested that the scale of President Trump’s mass deportation campaign — an issue that is at the heart of his presidency — is hurting industries and constituencies that he does not want to lose. The new guidance comes after protests in Los Angeles against the Trump administration’s immigration raids, including at farms and businesses. It also came as Mr. Trump made a rare concession this week that his crackdown was hurting American farmers and hospitality businesses. The guidance was sent on Thursday in an email by a senior ICE official, Tatum King, to regional leaders of the ICE department that generally carries out criminal investigations, including work site operations, known as Homeland Security Investigations. “Effective today, please hold on all work site enforcement investigations/operations on agriculture (including aquaculture and meat packing plants), restaurants and operating hotels,” he wrote in the message. The email explained that investigations involving “human trafficking, money laundering, drug smuggling into these industries are OK.” But it said — crucially — that agents were not to make arrests of “noncriminal collaterals,” a reference to people who are undocumented but who are not known to have committed any crime. The Department of Homeland Security confirmed the guidance. “We will follow the president’s direction and continue to work to get the worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens off of America’s streets,” Tricia McLaughlin, a department spokeswoman, said in a statement. For months, Mr. Trump and his aides have said they would target all immigrants without legal status in the United States to make good on his campaign promise for mass deportations. While the administration came into office saying it would initially target undocumented immigrants with criminal records, it has in recent weeks expanded to raiding work sites and sweeping up other undocumented immigrants broadly. On Thursday, Mr. Trump acknowledged that the crackdown might be alienating industries he wanted to keep on his side. “Our great Farmers and people in the Hotel and Leisure business have been stating that our very aggressive policy on immigration is taking very good, long time workers away from them, with those jobs being almost impossible to replace,” he said on social media. Mr. Trump posted after Brooke Rollins, the secretary of agriculture, informed him of farmers who were concerned about the ICE enforcement affecting their businesses, according to a White House official and a person familiar with the matter. Mr. Trump has for decades owned luxury hotels, an industry with a strong immigrant labor force. A former Trump administration official added that throughout his first term, Mr. Trump often heard concerns from some Republicans from rural states about how the immigration crackdown would hurt the agricultural industry. The decision to scale back operations at work sites comes at a crucial time, and the implications of the guidance are still to be determined on the ground. The guidance did not appear to rule out raids at work sites in other industries, like the one at a garment factory in Los Angeles that sparked the protests. In recent weeks, Stephen Miller, the White House deputy chief of staff, has publicly pushed for a “minimum” of 3,000 arrests per day. Following Mr. Miller’s comments, arrests shot up to over 2,000 a day last week, and in recent days and weeks, ICE officials have conducted operations at restaurants, factories and business across the country. One Department of Homeland Security official with knowledge of the email said that agents had felt the pressure for more arrests and that the guidance took them by surprise. Agents were still digesting the long-term implications without a direct signal from the White House about how to carry out the new guidance, the official said. Mr. King seemed to acknowledge that the new guidance would hurt the quest for higher numbers of arrests. “We acknowledge that by taking this off the table, that we are eliminating a significant # of potential targets,” he wrote. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/13/us/politics/trump-ice-raids-farms-hotels.htmlDid these people not enter the country "illegally" too? You see, many of us have tried to explain that you can't just go off half cocked and attack every immigrant who entered this country illegally without paying heavy consequences. That millions of workers can not just be replaced by American citizens that have no desire to do these jobs. And even if they did it would take a huge increase in pay which would directly impact the prices on us all. A scorched earth approach to this entire situation was never going to work. But when you rile up your supporters by saying things like, "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have lots of problems. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists, and some, I assume, are good people.", you put a label on an entire nation of immigrants. I mean other than some whom he assumes are good people. Did it somehow become that those working in the in the agricultural industry, hotels and restaurant industries suddenly become the one's he claims he "assumes are good people" and everyone in every other industry are those who are, "bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists."? It wouldn't surprise me if this list of industries not to pursue expands to the construction industry. It is an industry already half a million people short of being able to fill their job openings. And maybe we should discuss the inclusion of the Hotel and leisure industries being on that list. It's the industries trump has the biggest investments in and employees the most people. I understand how not wishing to cripple our food supplies and supply chain in regards to food is essential. Staying at hotels at a golf course which is leisure however is not. Can we say conflict of interest boys and girls?
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No immigration changes under way for farm, hospitality workers, Washington Post reports Reuters Fri, June 13, 2025 at 10:25 AM EDT3 min read
U.S. President Donald Trump arrives at Joint Base Andrews WASHINGTON (Reuters) -There are no policy changes under way to exempt farm, hotel and other leisure workers from Donald Trump's immigration crackdown, the Washington Post reported on Friday, a day after the U.S. president vowed to issue an order for such workers.
Trump's comments on Thursday were aimed at soothing industry leaders, but there will be no changes to current deportations, according to the report, which cited three people with knowledge of the administration’s immigration policies.
Representatives for the White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the report, which comes amid demonstrations protesting Trump's immigration raids.
Trump's border czar Tom Homan told the Washington Post that he had not discussed any changes for such workers with Trump and has not been involved in any policy plans to address them.
Farm and hotel industries rely heavily on migrant labor, and farmers were strong supporters of Trump's 2024 re-election bid.
While Trump is carrying out his campaign promise to deport immigrants in the country illegally, protesters and some Trump supporters have questioned the targeting of those who are not convicted criminals, including in places of employment.
On Thursday, Trump acknowledged the impact of his immigration policies on some sectors and said he would issue a related order "soon," giving no details.
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"Our farmers are being hurt badly and we're going to have to do something about that... We're going to have an order on that pretty soon," he said at the White House.
He added that it would also address the hotels sector, which would include the Trump Organization, Trump's private business that has said it is being run by his adult sons.
"Our great Farmers and people in the Hotel and Leisure business have been stating that our very aggressive policy on immigration is taking very good, long time workers away from them, with those jobs being almost impossible to replace," he wrote on his social media platform before his Thursday remarks. "Changes are coming!"
U.S. farm industry groups have long sought to be spared from mass deportations, which could upend a food supply chain dependent on immigrants, and welcomed his comments.
Major hotel companies and casino operators did not return Reuters' requests for comment.
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Trump ordered to return control of National Guard troops to Gavin Newsom after ‘illegal’ order over LA protests The Independent Trump did not say what steps he would order or when they would come.
U.S. Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins told CNBC on Thursday that Trump was reviewing all possibilities but that Congress would also have to act, pointing to the H-2A visa program that allows employers to hire temporary or seasonal labor.
An immigration raid of an Omaha, Nebraska, meat-packing plant on Tuesday forced the company to operate with reduced staffing and caused concern among traders and analysts about how such raids could disrupt U.S. food production.
The United Farm Workers and California's Democratic Senators Alex Padilla and Adam Schiff this week called for a stop to immigration enforcement actions targeting farmworkers after media reports of Tuesday raids at California farms.
In April, Trump suggested farmers could petition to keep some workers if the migrants left the country and then returned with legal status.
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As the article stated, this is more for optics over anything that was targeted.
At this point ICE is looking for identified targets. They aren't just driving down the street looking for random Mexican restaurants or farms to see who they might be able to round up. The problem is the optics fed by disinformation is that is what they are doing. The disinformation isn't necessarily fed or created by the media. Lot's is just word on the street. People are trying to get skinny and don't show up for work which makes it hard for the various establishments to operate.
As with some of you, I am sympathetic to the plight of some of these people. The majority of those people, but there are legal means for those individuals. The problem is that in the old days those people entered on work visas for several months, then returned home. Now they don't. They stay, and that is a problem. We have to get a grip on that. How that "grip" manifests is yet to be determined. I think it will be somewhere between simply deporting a mass amount of people and ignoring the problem.
In the mean time, we have to get the violent criminals and get them out, and there are a large number of those folks. We have to do that now in an expedited manner. We can't wait for all sides to massage out some sort of reform.
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So you know this as actual facts or are you just spewing whatt you hope is true.? As I’ve stated before, anyone that believes a word out of trumps pie hole is a damn fool.
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At this point ICE is looking for identified targets. They aren't just driving down the street looking for random Mexican restaurants or farms to see who they might be able to round up. The problem is the optics fed by disinformation is that is what they are doing. The disinformation isn't necessarily fed or created by the media. Lot's is just word on the street. People are trying to get skinny and don't show up for work which makes it hard for the various establishments to operate. Do you really believe that? Here in Nashville just a few weeks ago they pulled over hundreds of people in a small area known to have a high level of illegal immigrants in a matter of hours. Most with no criminal record. And this has been a common theme across the country. I mean people can argue amongst themselves about whether all illegal immigrants should be removed or not. But to suggest these raids are targeted towards certain individuals based on them being criminals is preposterous at best. I agree that's how it started out but The White House insisted the numbers increase and so they found a way to make that happen. That way was to target them all and not target only the criminals. In the mean time, we have to get the violent criminals and get them out, and there are a large number of those folks. We have to do that now in an expedited manner. We can't wait for all sides to massage out some sort of reform. And if that was their intended goal and what they were doing that would be fine. But it's not.
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As the article stated, this is more for optics over anything that was targeted.
At this point ICE is looking for identified targets. They aren't just driving down the street looking for random Mexican restaurants or farms to see who they might be able to round up. The problem is the optics fed by disinformation is that is what they are doing. The disinformation isn't necessarily fed or created by the media. Lot's is just word on the street. People are trying to get skinny and don't show up for work which makes it hard for the various establishments to operate.
As with some of you, I am sympathetic to the plight of some of these people. The majority of those people, but there are legal means for those individuals. The problem is that in the old days those people entered on work visas for several months, then returned home. Now they don't. They stay, and that is a problem. We have to get a grip on that. How that "grip" manifests is yet to be determined. I think it will be somewhere between simply deporting a mass amount of people and ignoring the problem.
In the mean time, we have to get the violent criminals and get them out, and there are a large number of those folks. We have to do that now in an expedited manner. We can't wait for all sides to massage out some sort of reform. Hogwash, ICE shows up in full force and tactical gear at 6 pm at a San Diego Italian restaurant, looking for people's papers. Word is out, it does not matter what you do, ICE is coming after you. Who cares if you have been here for 20 years, have American citizens as children, and cannot get a green card? Unmarked vans at Home Depot or SWAT teams, ICE Barbie has got to make her numbers to keep Steven Miller and Trump happy. The "problem" is that the GOP does not want immigrants, because they could shift the political balance as immigrants are viewed as proportionally democratic. If Texas ever goes blue, the GOP is toast for electing president.
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The "problem" is that the GOP does not want immigrants, because they could shift the political balance as immigrants are viewed as proportionally democratic. If Texas ever goes blue, the GOP is toast for electing president. You left out one word that changes your comment significantly. FWIW...the head of the GOP is married to an immigrant...I am the son of an immigrant. This discussion cannot be reasonably debated with the purposeful omission of the one word that defines the issue. It starts there.
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The "problem" is that the GOP does not want immigrants, because they could shift the political balance as immigrants are viewed as proportionally democratic. If Texas ever goes blue, the GOP is toast for electing president. You left out one word that changes your comment significantly. FWIW...the head of the GOP is married to an immigrant...I am the son of an immigrant. This discussion cannot be reasonably debated with the purposeful omission of the one word that defines the issue. It starts there. The GOP are for immigrants. Legal ones not ones that enter our Country illegally. There is a difference.
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Yes, there's a huge difference. Even non violent felonies have a statute of limitations. But somehow this "evil crime" of illegal entry to our country does not. But often times people uphold things that make no sense.
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Yes, there's a huge difference. Even non violent felonies have a statute of limitations. But somehow this "evil crime" of illegal entry to our country does not. But often times people uphold things that make no sense. So, I guess you open up your house door and allow people to enter anytime they like? Same principle applies to our border. We all know what happens if someone enters your home without permission. Deporting those people that enter our country without permission is less permanent.
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We know you love to paint a scene that paints all illegal immigrants as some type of criminal when in fact most are hard working people with families.
You need to pay attention. What I'm suggesting is people who have already been here for many years. You know, before your "open borders" and Biden had any thing to do with. I'm talking about trump illegals. That should make it far more palatable to you.
Man you are so unhinged.
But I sort of hope you get your way. Then you could enjoy your $50 salads, $20 a pound ground beef and increase the price of hokes by 10's of thousands of dollars. Some people would rather bite their nose off to spite their face than try to use an ounce of common sense.
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Yes, there's a huge difference. Even non violent felonies have a statute of limitations. But somehow this "evil crime" of illegal entry to our country does not. But often times people uphold things that make no sense. I believe such statute of limitations only applies to American citizens. It starts with illegal...there is a pathway to USA citizenship...sneaking in isn't a lifetime pass.
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Instead you make it a lifelong crime. You do realize they have been arresting people with work visas and those going through the asylum process. Those are both legal.
And just a general question......
Kilmar Abrego Garcia is facing charges for providing transportation to illegal immigrants from Texas to northern states. Texas governor Gregg Abbott transported thousand of illegal immigrants from Texas to northern cities. One is facing charges in Tennesee for it while those on the right celebrated Abbott doing the exact same thing.
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Equating Garcia's actions to Abbott's is exactly why the immigration 'issue' is where it is stuck today...too many people who think that - in any way, shape, or form -is applicable/reasonable.
I would like to see a pathway for ILLEGAL immigrants who have been in this country for some # of years AND who have a 'sponsor' of some sort. The problem is that the left will want to label it 'Amnesty' and have it include everyone...AND...the right will hold that such an action - equating to Amnesty - will result in even more incentive to come here in any way a person can. No solution works without first having a solid/secure border...which we now have for the time being.
Biden and/or whomever was running the country set back the opportunity for an immigration solution in the same manner than Obama set back race relations by making EVERYTHING about race....resulting in a numbness to legit issues surrounding race.
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That’s your opinion. Trump shot down the only bi-partisan immigration bill ever, remember? Then turns around and creates a military police state to deport immigrants illegally. Then when migrant workers in California are seen being chased across farm land the evil truth is seen on national television and trump is exposed again to who he really is.
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The "problem" is that the GOP does not want immigrants, because they could shift the political balance as immigrants are viewed as proportionally democratic. If Texas ever goes blue, the GOP is toast for electing president. You left out one word that changes your comment significantly. FWIW...the head of the GOP is married to an immigrant...I am the son of an immigrant. This discussion cannot be reasonably debated with the purposeful omission of the one word that defines the issue. It starts there. non-white would be that word, I can say it too. That does not explain the students and others, so it can be looked at both ways. To expand on the thought, it is not just an arrest, it is the loss of income, the rent, bills and now legal expenses, and all of the other things that occur when a working person is tossed in jail for deportation. Hopefully not to El Salvador. https://news.yahoo.com/news/dozens-heavily-armed-ice-agents-001847985.html
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The "problem" is that the GOP does not want immigrants, because they could shift the political balance as immigrants are viewed as proportionally democratic. If Texas ever goes blue, the GOP is toast for electing president. You left out one word that changes your comment significantly. FWIW...the head of the GOP is married to an immigrant...I am the son of an immigrant. This discussion cannot be reasonably debated with the purposeful omission of the one word that defines the issue. It starts there. The eye candy that is married to the head of the GOP is white (blanco). Both my grandparents were immigrants, my ex father in law was off the boat, my current wife’s grandmother was a military bride. We all have ties to immigrants, you are typical, not special.
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Equating Garcia's actions to Abbott's is exactly why the immigration 'issue' is where it is stuck today...too many people who think that - in any way, shape, or form -is applicable/reasonable.
I would like to see a pathway for ILLEGAL immigrants who have been in this country for some # of years AND who have a 'sponsor' of some sort. The problem is that the left will want to label it 'Amnesty' and have it include everyone...AND...the right will hold that such an action - equating to Amnesty - will result in even more incentive to come here in any way a person can. No solution works without first having a solid/secure border...which we now have for the time being.
Biden and/or whomever was running the country set back the opportunity for an immigration solution in the same manner than Obama set back race relations by making EVERYTHING about race....resulting in a numbness to legit issues surrounding race. That makes sense, there are many people who have been here for 10, 20, 30 years who can’t get a green card, and they don’t really need a sponsor, they are economically self sufficient. Horse feathers on the Amnesty comment. Both parties use the term. We can blame the politicians for creating a non system that does not work, Work permits, some variation of visa and immigrant status, there is no mechanism for immigrants to get to America in the quantity that is necessary to sustain the economy. We actually rely on immigrants to fuel the economy. But they live on the margins because the door to enter and achieve some sort of legal status is locked and barred shut, except to the published limits. The politicians created this mess and never fixed it, then complain about the problem of their own creation, and pray to the false God of a Border Wall as some panacea to fix a problem that requires a paper, pen and a brain. I really wish for some sort of congregational conclave to fix the problem,
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We can blame the politicians for creating a non system that does not work, Work permits, some variation of visa and immigrant status, there is no mechanism for immigrants to get to America in the quantity that is necessary to sustain the economy.
We actually rely on immigrants to fuel the economy. But they live on the margins because the door to enter and achieve some sort of legal status is locked and barred shut, except to the published limits. The politicians created this mess and never fixed it, then complain about the problem of their own creation, and pray to the false God of a Border Wall as some panacea to fix a problem that requires a paper, pen and a brain.
I really wish for some sort of congregational conclave to fix the problem, I miss the "like" button.
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As the article stated, this is more for optics over anything that was targeted.
At this point ICE is looking for identified targets. They aren't just driving down the street looking for random Mexican restaurants or farms to see who they might be able to round up. The problem is the optics fed by disinformation is that is what they are doing. The disinformation isn't necessarily fed or created by the media. Lot's is just word on the street. People are trying to get skinny and don't show up for work which makes it hard for the various establishments to operate.
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In the mean time, we have to get the violent criminals and get them out, and there are a large number of those folks. We have to do that now in an expedited manner. We can't wait for all sides to massage out some sort of reform. Hogwash, ICE shows up in full force and tactical gear at 6 pm at a San Diego Italian restaurant, looking for people's papers. Word is out, it does not matter what you do, ICE is coming after you. Who cares if you have been here for 20 years, have American citizens as children, and cannot get a green card? Unmarked vans at Home Depot or SWAT teams, ICE Barbie has got to make her numbers to keep Steven Miller and Trump happy. The "problem" is that the GOP does not want immigrants, because they could shift the political balance as immigrants are viewed as proportionally democratic. If Texas ever goes blue, the GOP is toast for electing president. I don't mind immigrants. I just want them to go through "Ellis Island" so to speak. People who walk across the border unchecked aren't immigrants. They are illegal aliens. So with the attitude you display, I will change my tone. Why are you so invested in keeping illegals in the country? That question goes to anybody.
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Instead you make it a lifelong crime. You do realize they have been arresting people with work visas and those going through the asylum process. Those are both legal.
And just a general question......
Kilmar Abrego Garcia is facing charges for providing transportation to illegal immigrants from Texas to northern states. Texas governor Gregg Abbott transported thousand of illegal immigrants from Texas to northern cities. One is facing charges in Tennesee for it while those on the right celebrated Abbott doing the exact same thing. Your President Biden was shipping them all over the country under cover of night.
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Equating Garcia's actions to Abbott's is exactly why the immigration 'issue' is where it is stuck today...too many people who think that - in any way, shape, or form -is applicable/reasonable.
I would like to see a pathway for ILLEGAL immigrants who have been in this country for some # of years AND who have a 'sponsor' of some sort. The problem is that the left will want to label it 'Amnesty' and have it include everyone...AND...the right will hold that such an action - equating to Amnesty - will result in even more incentive to come here in any way a person can. No solution works without first having a solid/secure border...which we now have for the time being.
Biden and/or whomever was running the country set back the opportunity for an immigration solution in the same manner than Obama set back race relations by making EVERYTHING about race....resulting in a numbness to legit issues surrounding race. That makes sense, there are many people who have been here for 10, 20, 30 years who can’t get a green card, and they don’t really need a sponsor, they are economically self sufficient. Horse feathers on the Amnesty comment. Both parties use the term. We can blame the politicians for creating a non system that does not work, Work permits, some variation of visa and immigrant status, there is no mechanism for immigrants to get to America in the quantity that is necessary to sustain the economy. We actually rely on immigrants to fuel the economy. But they live on the margins because the door to enter and achieve some sort of legal status is locked and barred shut, except to the published limits. The politicians created this mess and never fixed it, then complain about the problem of their own creation, and pray to the false God of a Border Wall as some panacea to fix a problem that requires a paper, pen and a brain. I really wish for some sort of congregational conclave to fix the problem, Only a few members of congress are complaining. The others are fixing the problem. Some of us believe the USA should defend the border. Obviously, others don't. Seriously, that is what it is when you boil it down. We have liberal border policy as it is. If you want to immigrate to many if not most countries, you have to provide bank statements and net worth, and if it isn't enough, you don't get it.
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trump at G7 said Biden let in 21 Million illegals and most of them are murderers. How can anyone believe anything he says. How many of those murderers has he deported?
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Equating Garcia's actions to Abbott's is exactly why the immigration 'issue' is where it is stuck today...too many people who think that - in any way, shape, or form -is applicable/reasonable.
I would like to see a pathway for ILLEGAL immigrants who have been in this country for some # of years AND who have a 'sponsor' of some sort. The problem is that the left will want to label it 'Amnesty' and have it include everyone...AND...the right will hold that such an action - equating to Amnesty - will result in even more incentive to come here in any way a person can. No solution works without first having a solid/secure border...which we now have for the time being. Here's the problem. Republicans control the house, the senate and the White House. The democrats actually have no say. The problem you have is that there aren't Republicans who would ever vote for anything you're suggesting. So trying to lay the blame on democrats is ridiculous. But you know this. Biden and/or whomever was running the country set back the opportunity for an immigration solution in the same manner than Obama set back race relations by making EVERYTHING about race....resulting in a numbness to legit issues surrounding race. Nothing about what you suggested above is or has been stopped by either Obama nor Biden. It is true that our border was not protected during Biden's term as it should have been. To claim that people became callus over racial issues because you know "Obama!" , is their fault and not Obama's. I will say that there are people who scream race when it really doesn't apply. That does tend to make people brush off when an actual abuse based on race does happen. But to blame others because people aren't smart enough to figure out the difference is not valid. Republicans could write and pass any immigration policy they want to. They won't because they don't want to. Instead they have decided to use immigration as a political weapon. Once agin something you already know. All you have offered up is that somehow that's someone elses fault. That dog won't hunt.
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Instead you make it a lifelong crime. You do realize they have been arresting people with work visas and those going through the asylum process. Those are both legal.
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Kilmar Abrego Garcia is facing charges for providing transportation to illegal immigrants from Texas to northern states. Texas governor Gregg Abbott transported thousand of illegal immigrants from Texas to northern cities. One is facing charges in Tennesee for it while those on the right celebrated Abbott doing the exact same thing. Your President Biden was shipping them all over the country under cover of night. Okay let's use your premise. Then is it right or wrong for all three of them to do it? And if it's legal and right why is only one of those three men on trial for it? And if it's illegal why aren't all three of them being tried for the same crime? It's not a difficult question to answer Peen and throwing fuel on the fire won't change it. BTW- Biden was "Your" president too. I don't want to claim trump either but he is the president of the country where I was born and live.
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Why are you so invested in keeping illegals in the country? That question goes to anybody. I'm so invested because without a portion of them our economy would be in terrible shape. Some seem to claim that you can replace them with citizens. That's simply not true. As we have seen trump himself is starting to understand how much this will hurt the economy in certain business sectors. Much the way we saw what essential employees meant during Covid. Some workers in certain sectors of our economy we just can't do without. And i do understand your Ellis Island concept. But let's be honest here, with the rate they were processing people though Ellis Island and the available information and technology at the time, how vetted were those people in reality? In case you missed it organized crime of the day back then came through Ellis Island too. It was certainly by no means an accurate or successful means of vetting immigrants. That's why the most suggested idea I have seen brought forward is a process of vetting through time and production. You have a minimum number of years an immigrant has been here with no criminal record combined with whether they have been productive and paying taxes. If they can't pass that threshold they should be removed. As I've stated, you aren't going to get Americans to pick fruit and vegetables. You aren't going to get them to line up and work in slaughter houses. As I stated earlier the construction industry is already short 500,000 workers as it is. There is another possibility but I don't think it's right to ask this of other humans. You could do what it takes to fill "some of those jobs" with work permits. You know like "the good old days" where they come to work in America during growing season and make them go back when it's not. You know separating them from their families because we don't want them here. But then I guess we don't need our meat processed for the whole year. I suppose we could limit the building of houses in the south and west to part time. Yeah, the whole "let them be here part time" thing doesn't work the same way it used to now that all of them don't work in the fields doing farm labor. So yes, if you don't realize the consequences this would have on our economy I hope we don't all have to learn the hard way.
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Ellis Island: You show up, and you are in.... Not exactly a policy that works for 2025.
Different times and different laws applied. But sure, if you want that to apply, go ahead.
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The "problem" is that the GOP does not want immigrants, because they could shift the political balance as immigrants are viewed as proportionally democratic. If Texas ever goes blue, the GOP is toast for electing president. You left out one word that changes your comment significantly. FWIW...the head of the GOP is married to an immigrant...I am the son of an immigrant. This discussion cannot be reasonably debated with the purposeful omission of the one word that defines the issue. It starts there. The GOP are for immigrants. Legal ones not ones that enter our Country illegally. There is a difference. I'm sincerely curious what you think about the people that came here legally, passed a background check, but are now considered illegals because the program that allowed them to come here was abruptly canceled. Technically, they are now here illegally... do they get deported with the same 'gusto'?
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The "problem" is that the GOP does not want immigrants, because they could shift the political balance as immigrants are viewed as proportionally democratic. If Texas ever goes blue, the GOP is toast for electing president. You left out one word that changes your comment significantly. FWIW...the head of the GOP is married to an immigrant...I am the son of an immigrant. This discussion cannot be reasonably debated with the purposeful omission of the one word that defines the issue. It starts there. The GOP are for immigrants. Legal ones not ones that enter our Country illegally. There is a difference. I'm sincerely curious what you think about the people that came here legally, passed a background check, but are now considered illegals because the program that allowed them to come here was abruptly canceled. Technically, they are now here illegally... do they get deported with the same 'gusto'? Was that program ran by a stupid leftist that did not vet the receiver of that pass? If so, get out. They were not vetted properly. I cannot help Democrats miss manage everything they touch.
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Actually one program he ended had sponsors for every immigrant included in that program. That accounts for 530.000 people. They were vetted and they were sponsored. Even the sponsors were vetted. Do you ever bother to look into anything before you bother posting about it?
Termination of the CHNV humanitarian parole program: This Biden-era program granted temporary legal status, including work permits and deportation protection, to roughly 530,000 migrants from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela. Notices of termination have begun to be sent out, directing recipients to self-deport. Those who voluntarily comply may be eligible for travel assistance and a $1,000 bonus.
Vetting of Participants (Beneficiaries):
Individuals applying for the program were required to pass background checks before they could receive authorization to travel to the United States.
Upon arrival at a U.S. airport, they were subject to individual consideration for parole by a Customs and Border Protection (CBP) official.
The overall process aimed to ensure national security and public safety.
Applicants were also required to meet certain criteria, including being vaccinated for measles, polio, and COVID-19.
A medical screening for tuberculosis within 90 days of arrival was also required.
Vetting of Sponsors:
U.S.-based sponsors were required to demonstrate their financial means to support the CHNV national and explain why the individual merited parole.
Sponsors underwent background checks, security vetting, and financial reviews carried out by the U.S. government.
In August 2024, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) implemented enhanced vetting measures for U.S.-based supporters.
These enhanced measures included requiring sponsors to submit fingerprints for the vetting process and closer review of their financial and criminal records.
Sponsors needed to be U.S. citizens, lawful permanent residents, or hold another lawful immigration status.
Sponsors could be individuals, businesses, organizations, or multiple individuals applying jointly.
They were vetted by USCIS (U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services) after completing Form I-134A, Online Request to be a Supporter and Declaration of Financial Support, to ensure they could financially support the beneficiary and protect them from exploitation.
Essentially, the CHNV program incorporated vetting measures for both participants and sponsors to ensure safety and security while facilitating humanitarian entry into the United States.
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One such program was the one that allowed Ukranians displaced by the Russian invasion to come here and work temporarily. An identical program was how both of my parents' families were allowed to come to this country (ironically, they too were fleeing a Russian invasion).
These programs are largely copy-paste's of each other, so it's not a stretch to say both left and right leaning presidents/admins have used this type of program to legally allow entry of non-citizens (all that I've heard/read is that these programs grant temporary permission to be in the US... though my parents' families used the opportunity to apply for and ultimately receive citizenship).
So again... these are people that followed the rules, came here legally, and in many cases justified their being here by showing how they could bring value (usually by skills/work they had), as well as having a US-citizen sponsoring them to be here. So wanting these people gone because... reasons... constitutes the whole "immigration" debate taking a very dark turn.
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The "problem" is that the GOP does not want immigrants, because they could shift the political balance as immigrants are viewed as proportionally democratic. If Texas ever goes blue, the GOP is toast for electing president. You left out one word that changes your comment significantly. FWIW...the head of the GOP is married to an immigrant...I am the son of an immigrant. This discussion cannot be reasonably debated with the purposeful omission of the one word that defines the issue. It starts there. The GOP are for immigrants. Legal ones not ones that enter our Country illegally. There is a difference. I'm sincerely curious what you think about the people that came here legally, passed a background check, but are now considered illegals because the program that allowed them to come here was abruptly canceled. Technically, they are now here illegally... do they get deported with the same 'gusto'? That program was being issued a VISA. Visas are issued for various lengths of time. They aren't a lifetime pass. As the VISA expires, they have to reapply. VISA'a can be revoked by the State Dept. at any time for a number of reasons. If a persons VISA expires or is revoked and they don't leave in a specified period of time, they are here illegally. As to the "gusto" question, I suppose it depends on why it was revoked and why you didn't leave.
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That program was being issued a VISA. Visas are issued for various lengths of time. They aren't a lifetime pass. As the VISA expires, they have to reapply. Their "visas" didn't expire. The program was canceled; therefore their permission to be here was suddenly removed, making someone that was here legally suddenly an illegal (so not the same thing as a person who entered this country illegally, and by definition is a criminal). I can understand (and agree) with wanting to get people out of the country that are criminals (and again, someone who snuck across the border is, by definition, a criminal). What I'm having a really hard time with is arbitrarily deciding that people who did follow the correct process in coming here being lumped in with the ones that didn't. I won't go as far as to play any sort of "card", but that requires restraint when there's no other clear explanation. VISA'a can be revoked by the State Dept. at any time for a number of reasons. If a persons VISA expires or is revoked and they don't leave in a specified period of time, they are here illegally.
As to the "gusto" question, I suppose it depends on why it was revoked and why you didn't leave. I understand the legality (Supreme Court upheld his decision). What I don't understand is why people think this is right. I'm trying to get someone/anyone to explain why artificially making people who followed our laws into criminals and then ignoring our own laws in many situations to deport said people is right.
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I understand the legality (Supreme Court upheld his decision). What I don't understand is why people think this is right. I'm trying to get someone/anyone to explain why artificially making people who followed our laws into criminals and then ignoring our own laws in many situations to deport said people is right. Of the millions of illegals who have piled in to the country, how many are caught in this predicament you pose? I don't think it is that many as a percentage. You also have to remember that having a green card doesn't mean you can live here on a permanent basis. They are short term passes to allow you to work here or study here on a short term basis. People were always subject to having to go back to their country of origin. I will capitulate that if a person is holding a green card that would otherwise still be valid if not impacted by recent decisions that make it invaild, they should be allowed to stay for the cards full term or at least be given a short time frame to leave on their own accord unless the state can demonstrate their staying here is an imminent threat or are being sought for other illegal activity.
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There were 530.000 of them. Does that not make a difference? It seems you support people who are doing things the right way and following our laws be turned into criminals with the flow of a pen. Is that the America you really want?
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Of the millions of illegals who have piled in to the country, how many are caught in this predicament you pose? I don't think it is that many as a percentage. As a percentage, I don't know. And I bet the true number won't be known, given how we only have estimates on the number of people that are truly illegal aliens. I've that over half a million people are caught up in the switcharoo I've highlighted above. ... if a person is holding a green card that would otherwise still be valid if not impacted by recent decisions that make it invaild, they should be allowed to stay for the cards full term or at least be given a short time frame to leave on their own accord unless the state can demonstrate their staying here is an imminent threat or are being sought for other illegal activity. This is the crux of my argument (if you want to call it that).
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Trump orders Ice raids on farms and hotels after pausing them days earlier Reversal comes days after president posted on Truth Social his ‘very aggressive’ raids were hurting farmers and hotels Joseph Gedeon in Washington Tue 17 Jun 2025 10.21 EDT Share Donald Trump has abandoned his brief immigration and customs enforcement (Ice) reprieve for farm and hotel workers, ordering the agency’s raids in those sectors to resume after hardliners crushed a pause that lasted just four days. The whiplash reversal, first reported by the Washington Post, exposes the dysfunction gripping the president’s deportation agenda, where competing advisers battle over policy while Trump lurches between contradictory positions. “The president has been incredibly clear,” said Tricia McLaughlin, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) assistant secretary, in a statement to the Guardian on Tuesday. “There will be no safe spaces for industries who harbor violent criminals or purposely try to undermine Ice’s efforts.” The flip-flop also follows Trump’s erratic pattern on major policies – from threatening then retreating on mass global tariffs to wavering on federal spending cuts – as different factions fight for his ear. Trump first blinked last Thursday, posting on Truth Social that his “very aggressive” raids were hurting farmers and hotels. The next day, Ice officials reportedly told staff in an internal email to largely lay off raids and arrests in the agricultural, hotel and restaurant industries. But now, according to the Post, immigration hawks led by the deputy chief of staff, Stephen Miller, crushed the pause – after the agriculture secretary, Brooke Rollins, had secured the temporary reprieve amid industry pressure. By Sunday, Trump had publicly reversed course entirely, ordering agents via a Truth Social post to deliver what he called the “single largest Mass Deportation Program in History” – focusing particularly on America’s largest cities, almost all being run by Democrats. The administration desperately wants workplace raids to hit Miller’s target of 3,000 daily arrests. Daily arrests have been stuck at about 2,000, according to a recent DHS statement. Single operations at meatpacking plants can net hundreds of detentions. Yet Trump’s brief wobble revealed his unease with the economic fallout. Undocumented immigrants make up 4.6% of the US workforce – more than 7 million people concentrated in agriculture, hospitality and construction, according to the American Immigration Council. Labor groups like United Farm Workers (UFW), which represent a large number of immigrant workers, dismissed the temporary pause on workplace raids in California as never actually being in place. “As long as Border Patrol and ICE are allowed to sweep through farm worker communities making chaotic arrests the way they did TODAY, they are still hunting down farm workers,” UFW posted on Instagram on Saturday. “If President Trump is actually in charge, he needs to prove it.” https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/17/ice-raids-farms-hotels-trump
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So once again his decision changes as often as the wind changes direction. People should have been more careful what they wished for. A leader that can't figure out what he's doing from day to day is something I don't think was on their list of desirable traits when they voted.
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Here is a quote from the DHS assistant secretary... “There will be no safe spaces for industries who harbor violent criminals or purposely try to undermine Ice’s efforts.”
That would indicate that they think everyone they are deporting are violent criminals... right? Or that they are trying to characterize everything they are deporting as a threat, even when that isn't the case. Either situation would be wrong.... unless I'm missing something regarding the intentions the changes to refugee/TPP.
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Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Trump Shifts Deportation Focus,
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