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supreme leader …..”We will not surrender”

We’re going to see a big beautiful war or we’re going to see a big beautiful deal.

It’s so typical that the dems ended a war in the Middle East and the Republicans want to start another. Must be good financially for, we know who.

I have no idea how this will all play out. But before some of the rhetoric breaks out I would like to remind people what history should have taught us by now. The American people were told how easy the Korean war would be due to our military superiority. That ended in a stalemate. We were told how easy the Vietnam War would be for that same reason. In the end Vietnam was overtaken by the communists. As a matter of fact they tried so hard to convince the American people of that they wouldn't even call them wars at all. In Korea it was called "The Korean Conflict" Vietnam was called a conflict and in some cases a police action.

Both Iraq and Afghanistan were thought to be militaries that could easily be defeated. If their military were all we were fighting that might have held true. But it's not. It never has been. What we have been fighting is an ideology. You can't defeat an ideology. Trump claimed he defeated ISIS. That never happened. He dampened the flames for short while but the embers remained and once again they are a force.

After decades of fighting and trillions being spent yielding the exact same results it seems our government figure out what the real enemy is nor how to deal with it.

We watched how our government said it would be years, maybe even decades before Iran could produce a nuclear weapon to suddenly changing that timeline on a dime. Just as we watched W tell us suddenly what a grave threat Iraq was. We watched a deal where we had U.N. inspectors checking all of Iran's nuclear sites to limit the amount of centrifuges it could produce and the percentage of enrichment it could manufacture get scrapped by trump leading to where we are now.

Much of this is nothing but a sad rerun of the same movie we have seen time and time again. It's sad that there are people out there that still can't figure out how that movie ends.

You don't have a clue. The Dems ended the war? They funded the damn thing.

What changed to allow that?


Wonder which POTUS made the dumbest nuke deal in history to a terrorist organization? Then sent them a billion dollars in cash.


Yeah...Iran gave us full unfettered access to their nuke system...oh...and Iran only wants nuke material for peaceful purposes. Who believes this other than serious TDS sufferers? Ever stop to think why Iran has a nuke facility buried deep into a mountain?


When the director of the movie is replaced midstream with a director implementing a totally different plot, that's what you get.

"they wouldn't even call them wars at all"

Just for the record: they technically weren't "wars" because America going to war requires an act of Congress (and opens up a whole Pandora's Box of powers). A president, however, can engage in "limited" military actions without congressional approval.

Yes, I know, there's no difference at all to those that went, but the terminology is technically accurate.

I have a suspicion this thread is premature and willnot age well.

And as you pointed out that's nothing but a technicality they used not to call it a war. The evidence is that there was nothing "limited" about the war in Vietnam. At it's peak we had almost 550k troops deployed in Vietnam. They can call that anything they like but that's a war.

Did you ever think of which president was so stupid he broke that deal we had with them and then went back to try and negotiate a new deal with that "terrorist organization"? Because trump was in the middle of trying to negotiate a new deal with Iran to avoid this. This is how you tell us you haven't been paying attention without coming out and telling us you haven't been paying attention.


What totally different plot? The plot where trump too was trying to reach an agreement with Iran over their nuclear program just like Obama did? the only difference is Obama succeeded at it and avoided a war with Iran before the leader of Israel started one.

To some extent that may be true. But then the same thing could have been said about the talk leading up to the Iraq war. We can't be sure how this will all play out but discussing what has happened up to this point and the possible scenarios seems reasonable.

Not to go back and bicker over the right or wrong of things, but before the war in Iraq they were a bully. Today they aren't.

Who is it they were "bullying"? And stopping some wanna be strong man from thumping his chest is worth how much again? Trillions of dollars, 4500 dead troops and 32,000 wounded? That doesn't even account for all of the soldiers suffering from PTSD and mental wounds they suffer that may never heal. Do you know how many leaders around the world are either strong men or wanna be bullies? I guess that would justify us starting a war with all of them? Are you being serious?

You NEVER enter a war that you absolutely DON'T need to fight! The cost is far too high. Or do you disagree with that?

Drudge is reporting we have hit 3 nuclear sites. Just now

Welp, hopefully the targets were destroyed.

Just turned off the TV 40 minutes ago, about to go to bed. I might have to sit up a while to monitor.

30 Tomahawk missles used on Natanz and Isfahan which were mostly destroyed already by Israel. 6 bunker busting bombs used on Fordow.

Yeah. Fordow in particular is the one I have my eye on. I imagine it was successful. I hope like hell it was.

Conservatives doing their war mongering once again. This is going to hit US hard sooner or later.

Go to bed. We’re going to see a big beautiful war.

They sure called his bluff, huh, lol. They just got obliterated.

Personally I am wishing Iran is completely wiped off the map, or at least their Supreme Leader dies a fiery death. Dude has had it coming for A LONG LONG LONG LONG TIME.

I'd love to see a woman be elected the leader of Iran! He'll be turning in his grave cause people don't have their hijabs on. Restore women's rights in Iran!!!!

In addition to confirming the damage, big thing now will be seeing what they do in response.

They don’t really have much they could do themselves. Israel has been eating their lunch and they don’t want to invite anymore territorial encroachment.

Hamas and Hezbollah have been severely degraded. Threats in Iraq and from the Houthi’s are what I’m betting will be the biggest concern for retaliation.

Per CNN, it was actually 6 B-2s and 12 BBs. That’s a third of the fleet.

Hell of a sortie…

Yeah, Iran is limited in what they can do. Isreal has air supremacy over Iran. They can lob some rockets at a few of our bases but we have the ability to knock them out of the sky. They could mine the gulf with their navy. That could present a problem.

they could mess up a lot of stuff without ever lobbing anything at our troops.

oil fields and the blocking the straits

Lolz.

How close were the Iranians to having nuclear weapons? I don't know.

Apparently Tulsi Gabbard has no idea either. In March, Gabbard testified on Capitol Hill that the U.S. "continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and Supreme Leader Khamenei has not authorized the nuclear weapons program he suspended in 2003."

Tulsi Gabbard now says Iran could produce nuclear weapon 'within weeks'.

What I want to know is: how does bombing Iran help Qatar?
Did we bomb Iran because they were getting close to having nuclear weapons?
Or because Qatar gave Trump an expensive airplane?

Waging war is funny now? Mmmm typical Goper’s response.

Trump just broke another campaign promise to his uneducated American voters.