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U ARE DEAD WRONG in saying I started a thread about it .. and unless U remember that one OBSCURE post buried on page 6 of a thread during the bye week .. I NEVER EVER EVER MENTIONED IT before or after ..
Then that is what I remember....and to be honest here...I agreed....as i said, it wasn't some attempt to discredit you.
You sure it wasn't a thread???
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He said the Browns feel Anderson should have "a chance to go into the batter's box and swing for the fences next years. Our expectation is that he'll hit some home runs for us.''
I take that for exactly what he says.
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"We have a couple of different options for Derek," said Savage. "We're more apt to want to do something with Derek that would take him beyond the 2008 season. We want to go into next season with both of our quarterbacks, plus Ken Dorsey intact. We want to make sure we stay strong at that position for at least one more year."
Again. How could you argue with it? I would love to go into next season with both of them. The last line though doesn't sound like everybody's going to be long-term. I think he'd like to know who best to hang his hat on by the end of next season.
But earlier in the season, when DA was really on top of his game and we became a national media's favorite he said he's leaning toward tendering him with a 1st and 3rd. Even RAC, in his last presser said he would listen to offers. Now, after the team has had some time to level off, and you have to admit they did, Savage talks like he's wanting to get a long-term deal done today.
Also, he talks about the possibility of what other teams may offer for DA and never says what he'd take. But he talks like it depends on what the offer is before he would make a decision on that. I guess that's only natural.
Heck, when he talks about this past draft he says something like, 'We got Joe with the 3rd pick, Brady Eric Wright has done a good job for us'. It's like he blows past BQ like an afterthought or a nothing. To me he seems careful to not say too much about Quinn, prefering instead to build up DA.
That all may mean nothing. But my money's on the distinct possibility that Savage and RAC, since they are the two who face the media, discuss what their answers should be to this or that question. At this point I hear mixed messages coming from both of them. I expect that after the season as it's the way it always is.
If you really want to know where I stand on this it is that I feel BQ likely has a superior skill-set and with this O-line and these playmakers I feel he could be successful. If DA was not here at all I would have complete confidence that the choice of taking BQ in the past draft was done with careful consideration and evaluation. I would believe that BQ could light it up. There's obviously some wishful thinking there.
But enter DA. He is here. And he surprised everyone as he had a great season overall and overall is what matters. He makes the decision harder. Would Savage have taken BQ had he seen DA play like this? If so it would have to be that he sees things in DA's game that he doesn't think will improve. If not, then it's because he now believes DA is the real deal.
Which way that goes is anybody's guess. It was an easy decision before DA threw 29 TD's, etc, etc.
The last guy in the world I'd want to be is Savage right now. One wrong decision and the franchise falls backwards. BQ's money is not so great, (like Tim's), so it's not like he breaks the bank and the franchise folds again. But it would certainly set us back a few years and probably costs RAC his job if BQ get named the starter and fails.
Like I said though, there's nothing like listening to the presser in it's entirety to draw an opinon on what he meant by those quotes. Maybe he can be taken completely litterally on them. But with the possibility of offers for DA on the horizon I can't help but believe the posturing has begun so what he means by what he says is anyone's and everyone's guess.
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This may sound like an "out there" statement, but you get the feeling that the FO and coaching staff wants to see Quinn in some more in-game situations.
That's not saying they wish ill-will on DA's health, but that they'd just like circumstances to work out so that they can get some more film on BQ before making their ultimate decision.
If you read between the lines, you get the feeling that Savage is gonna offer DA a contract that he'll refuse. He said stuff about "DA knows he played behind a good offensive line and had playmakers to throw to."
I don't have an agenda here before anyone accuses me of having one, I just call it like I see it. They just wanna see the situation shake out more to see if one clearly outplays the other in live game situations...but you still have to be fair to the incumbent.
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Sorry Peenie ... U WERE RIGHT .... I WAS WRONG ....
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Edit: I'm completely on the fence with the whole issue. I saw good things with DA, and bad things. I think BQ could be an outstanding quarterback, and our offence made things a lot easier for Anderson. Quinn hasn't done it though and no matter what ayone says, we don't know that he ever will.
I hate the idea of dumping DA for an unknown, unless we get wowed with a trade offer.
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Doesn't this completely contradict the claims that guys like Pit and tab are saying? And doesn't it at least give some credence to what guys like me are saying, which is, "it would be wiser to keep both QBs until one of them completly proves himself.?
I would love to be privvy to Quinn's play running the scout team week in and week out. I'd also love to have a blind straw poll of the players on the team as to who is the best QB to lead the Browns in 2008.
To me Anderson has completely proven himself. He has a top NFL quality arm that allows him to make all the throws. Safeties have a tough time reacting to his thrown ball because of the speed of the throw and the quick release. His hands are huge and rarely fumbles the ball. He also throws the ball with little touch and has sporadic accuracy. He gets the ball away quickly but sometimes makes bad decisions throwing into double coverage. He's tall and barely ever gets a pass knocked down at the LOS but has limited mobility outside the pocket. He's 25, a young NFL quality QB and is streaky.
Tell me where I'm wrong here. Hasn't he proven himself?
To me, IMHO, Quinn will be the better QB. This is what I've seen at ND, Preseason and the SF game. He's an average height guy with average NFL arm strength. He's a strong athlete with above average mobility. He's never going to be a Dan Marino or Payton Manning who puts the team on his shoulders, but he's a guy who will play smart and manage the game. He's got good accuracy and can make the short and intermediate route throws on time with touch that allows playmakers to do something in stride rather than doing every thing they can just to catch the pass. His deep ball is more of an arching throw but that plays in to our teams significant height advantage anyway.
In my opinion winning Cleveland Browns football will be run predicated with smart play action passing. It will be a physical offense with the occasional big play. It will be a smart offense that rarely turns the ball over and rarely puts the defense in a bad position. It will be top notch special teams play and it will be a run stuffing defense that is able to keep teams in front of them, rarely allowing the big play.
I see this all coming together in 2009 and I see Quinn with a year of experience at the helm. If we have the opportunity now to trade Anderson for talented youth on the DL I say we do it. I have nothing against DA. He outperformed my expectations. But I've seen enough of him to know him...and I'd rather have Quinn running this offense.
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Perhaps ...... but I would invite you to look at the late sason struggles of some (now) rather famous QBs in their 1st seasons as starters.
And would those "now famous starters" you speak of....................were they "rookies" or in their "third year in the NFL" during their "first starting season"?????
Oh yes, I know there are a "couple". But overall, you're trying to compare fresh from college rookies to a third year pro. Are you not?
Tony Romo for one. Last year saw 3 of his final 5 games of the year register a QB rating below 60, with the exceptions coming against defensive powerhouses Atlanta and Detroit. That was Romo's 4th season, and he didn't start the entire year either.
Tom Brady didn't start until his 2nd season. Near the end of the regular season, he began to tail off. His final 5 games included 2 TD passes and 5 INTs. Of course, he then went on to imortality in the Super Bowl ..... but he did suffer a bit if a letdown at the end of the regular season.
Neither guy was a "rookie" ..... and at least 1 turned out OK. lol
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I think that the TO’s (Trusted Ones) (PS and RAC) actually are looking at it like this.
TO,” We kind of know what we have in DA he has 1,011 plays on tape from this season, and BQ, has 10”. That’s the kick off point if you will.
Then there is,” we do not want to risk our season next year due to injury at the QB position.”
“ DA had a drop off in his stats to close the season, but I think that is partly due to several factors, weather, teams taking away the big play, and the Browns wanting the team to move thru BE and KW2, all played a roll, along with the mental part wearing DA down some.”
Those aren’t the TO exact words but they sum up what he said.
You begin to paint a picture that has many missing colors and scenes that are untouched, hell you don’t even know what the scenes all looks like, in some instances.
What the TO seems to be saying is that we kind of know what we have in DA, but he didn’t have a full playbook to work from. The season along with the weather may have worn him down, and we would like to see what he could do with a full play book, and an off season to work on his weaknesses, and see where that takes him. After all this is his 1st season as a starter. I think that they don’t know if or if not DA has reached the limits of his ability. I see plenty of people that are convinced that he is as good as he will ever get. I am not to be honest, and I don’t think the Browns are either, on several fronts, that all don’t have to do with DA. The picture is foggy at this point.
The picture becomes even foggier when you factor in BQ. Is he ready, truly ready? And can we bless him, and put him on the field and sit a guy we know can win games for us. Factor in the ceiling issue, and god the picture continues to be cloudy.
What the TO seems to be saying is we would like to clear the picture up some, we would like to insure that we continue to make progress next season, and by having both DA and BQ, along with KD, the picture should clear up some, and we should be able to continue to win games even if we suffer an injury along the way to our QB. He also said that he wasn’t sure if it was the best of circumstances for the players but he was more concerned about what was best for the Browns, and the players would basically have to decide for themselves what they thought was best for them.
I think DA will want to remain a Brown, no matter what. That includes sitting behind BQ, should that come to pass. I admit that I don’t know what DA is thinking, but I see a guy that doesn’t seem to get hung up on things, including his press clippings. He will do what he is asked to do, to the best of his ability. I think?? The TO is being very honest when he says that DA will be afforded the 1st bight from the apple, and from there it will basically be up to DA to make the most of his opportunity. So the question is? Will that be enough of an assurance for DA to want to be a part of the Browns? It’s pretty clear the Browns would like to see if DA can become better, and perhaps lead this team to the Promised Land. He has the tools to get it done, now can he? If not hello BQ.
At the end of the day I think there are just too many unanswered questions in the minds of the TO’s and they are opting towards caution and delaying any decision until they have a clearer view of the picture. For what it’s worth (nothing) I agree with this view..
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Browns to the bone,
I will add one observation to your post.
DA did not look like a man that was willing to sit behind Brady during Quinn's one drive vs. San Fran'.
He looked like a man that would have tried playing with his left had the D ripped off his right arm.
Imho, Da has had a taste of starting,stardom & success. I doubt he will want to relinquish that.
I Warning to all rookies that have proven NOTHING in the NFL. Your being handed a mountain of millions based soley on potential. Don't hold out for 1 or 2 more. I'm willing to bet that Brady would take back his hold out if it ment he had a legit shot at the starting job last season. Now it "could" be a couple years before he gets a starting roll if DA does everything right.
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Browns to the bone,
I will add one observation to your post.
DA did not look like a man that was willing to sit behind Brady during Quinn's one drive vs. San Fran'.
He looked like a man that would have tried playing with his left had the D ripped off his right arm.
Imho, Da has had a taste of starting,stardom & success. I doubt he will want to relinquish that.
I Warning to all rookies that have proven NOTHING in the NFL. Your being handed a mountain of millions based soley on potential. Don't hold out for 1 or 2 more. I'm willing to bet that Brady would take back his hold out if it ment he had a legit shot at the starting job last season. Now it "could" be a couple years before he gets a starting roll if DA does everything right.
You raise a good point, let me add to your addition. I would have been very dissapointed if DA hadn't wanted to get back into the game if he were able too. The fact that he wanted back in is a positive. he said if this was to be the last game of the season then he wanted to be out on the field with his teammates. And I can understand that on quite a few levels. I don't think that DA was in fear of what BQ could or couldn't do, I think it's more of wanting to finish what he started. No I wouldn't try to read to much into this, he could return, and he did. Good for him he did the right thing.
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Heck, when he talks about this past draft he says something like, 'We got Joe with the 3rd pick, Brady Eric Wright has done a good job for us'. It's like he blows past BQ like an afterthought or a nothing. To me he seems careful to not say too much about Quinn, prefering instead to build up DA.
That all may mean nothing. But my money's on the distinct possibility that Savage and RAC, since they are the two who face the media, discuss what their answers should be to this or that question.
...and if you intended to move DA...and get as much as possible for him...you'd be doing what they're doing.
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Heck, when he talks about this past draft he says something like, 'We got Joe with the 3rd pick, Brady Eric Wright has done a good job for us'. It's like he blows past BQ like an afterthought or a nothing. To me he seems careful to not say too much about Quinn, prefering instead to build up DA.
Afterthought...???
Q: Would you have done the Brady Quinn trade if you had to do it all over?:
Savage: There has been talk about us not having a No. 1. There’s no doubt in my mind that we would’ve done the same thing with the draft of Brady (Quinn). It gave the city a lift. I feel pretty good that our position is pretty good. I feel we’ve turned the position from a weakness into strength
Thats not a afterthought...
Also if certain people don't think that opposing DC's schemed to take the deep routes away..even the GM knows this..
Q: Your thoughts on why there weren’t as many big plays the second half of the season:
Savage: I think there are a number of reasons. Most of the weight falls on the quarterback’s shoulders. First half, we were near the top of the league in explosive plays. In the second half, there were not as many as the big plays were taken away by design.
To me Anderson has completely proven himself. He has a top NFL quality arm that allows him to make all the throws. Safeties have a tough time reacting to his thrown ball because of the speed of the throw and the quick release.
Heldawg : To me Anderson has completely proven himself. He has a top NFL quality arm that allows him to make all the throws. Safeties have a tough time reacting to his thrown ball because of the speed of the throw and the quick release
You mean get the ball out to the routes...?
While he can certainly throw the ball to the routes ..he is inaccurate in the short areas which is alarming..
DB's really don't have a hard time reacting to his throws in the short area because he is so erratic...on the throws he is good at ,the speed of the ball allows him to get those passes in..however its a weakness because he'll force a throw in dispite tight coverage which results in picks..
In my book if he's here next season ...for him to become a proven QB, he'll have to improve dramactically in making better decisions and improving accuracy..
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Savage: I think there are a number of reasons. Most of the weight falls on the quarterback’s shoulders. First half, we were near the top of the league in explosive plays. In the second half, there were not as many as the big plays were taken away by design.
For the sake of discussion, let's concede that the Defenses designed ways to stop our deep stuff.. to take away our explosive plays.
Is there any valid reason to think that those things can be fixed in the off season.. meaning, can Chud and the other offensive minds coupled with DA come up with counter plays that take way those defenses designed to keep us playing shortball all the time?
I only ask this because I remember reading on more than one occasion that for the most part, your offense is in as you break camp and that it's difficult to change things too much in the middle of the season. I think that was said alot when we went from Carthon to Davidson.. But I've heard or read it elsewhere also.
Just wondering,, does anyone think there is any validity to that thinking at all..
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Is there any valid reason to think that those things can be fixed in the off season.. meaning, can Chud and the other offensive minds coupled with DA come up with counter plays that take way those defenses designed to keep us playing shortball all the time?
I think that is why we will push for a better receiver opposite Edwards.....someone who can push it deep....Bernard Barrian sounds good to me.
Edwards is really the only deep threat...and even he isn't what I would call a burner.
It isn't so much a matter of scheme as it is players...JJ and the others don't really strike fear into teams on plays outside of 15 yards or so...their lack of relative speed makes it easy for teams to make up ground if need be.
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Without me saying much..yet...did you get the remark "MOST of the weight FALLS on the QB's shoulders?"
That means what...that the QB has to make better decisions going underneath ...and have the ABILITY to make plays in the intermediate routes..
I posted the stats on DA to show he is only 50% in completitions in the 1-10 yard range..conversely the best two passers in that range are 69% and 68%..
Thats a huge gap..he's got to get better..
Has little to do with coming up with counter plays..we went to them..DA just couldn't complete the throws..or better..he couldn't throw the ball so the recievers could cleanly catch it..
Of course those same recievers have to make the catches when the ball is there..
But it really isn't as much as we need new wide outs ( we do need better depth and a legid # 2 )as Peen tries to suggest..it's more of Anderson being more accurate..
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I guess I find it amazing the lengths at which people will go to prove their own point....and then blame others for doing the exact same thing.....
Unreal. You either can't read, or like to lie. And it comes right after you accused Peen of it.
The statement was that DA contributed to the low sack total and that a guy like Frye or Timid would have been sacked more.
And good God..........there is so much garbage on this thread, with people saying things like.........."the facts are," "the bottom line," and "the reality of the situation," to legitimize their opinions.
Gotta love Brady's Brats. 
I didn't lie, I've read it several times from different people, I couldn't care less what you think of me and you can call me all your cute little names, I'm sure it makes you feel better.
And as for you talking about someone complaining about what another person does and then turning around and doing the exact same thing, you are the King of it.
I see just as many DA supporters using crap as some of the DA detractors, no different, I guess it just matters which side folks fall on. The truth lies somewhere in the middle as always.
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Some thing else that should be mentioned is the beating his receivers took ( and there accrobatic catching ) just to get him to 50% in the 1-10 area ..
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I agree Attack. I think we all saw many more short attempts in the second half of the season than we did in the first half. And we saw much less deep stuff. So I think we're all privy to the fact that DCs around the league targeted that as our weakness. Take away the deep, make DA beat you with the dink and dunk passes over the middle and into the flat. How many times did we see the quick slant to Braylon, trying to get a step on the corner to break it over the middle? And how many times did Braylon actually do that? How many times did we find ourselves in 3rd and long and were unable to convert because DA hit JJ or K2 for a 6 yard gain when we needed 8? DA MUST improve his short passing game and we MUST get another solid deep threat guy opposite Braylon to stretch the field. Carter didn't strike fear in anyone despite his speed. JJ and K2 are purely possession receivers. We need a #2 deep threat if we're gonna keep defenses honest and continue to attack with the deep ball. Our offense was much more explosive when we had that threat. There's really not much more Chud could have done to counter the fact that defenses are taking away our deep ball. I think he did a good job with it from a playcalling standpoint, but the execution wasn't really there.
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Wow, talk about opposite opinions: Peen says: Quote:
It isn't so much a matter of scheme as it is players...JJ and the others don't really strike fear into teams on plays outside of 15 yards or so...their lack of relative speed makes it easy for teams to make up ground if need be.
Which to me indicates that Peen thinks that we don't have the talent at the receiver opposite of edwards, so that they (the opposing defense) can't sit on Edwards... If I understand this, you think that getting another high flying receiver like Edwards will take care of some of the problem.... Ok,, I can see that.. That makes sense to me.
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Has little to do with coming up with counter plays..we went to them..DA just couldn't complete the throws..or better..he couldn't throw the so the recievers could cleanly catch it..
I have to say, I've noticed this also. DA did throw behind and too far in front of and sometimes too high or low for his receivers.. (to some extent, every QB has those things happen, I have to believe it's more likely in a first year starter also)
I honestly believe that both of you have valid points. Thanks for trying to answer my question.
Perhaps if there was another Edwards caliber guy on the other side, Defenses couldn't focus on taking away our only real deep threat.
On the other hand, when they are able to do that (and sooner or later, you will run into a team that has the personnel to stop two top shelf receivers) Your QB has to be able to make the adjustment to get short and move the chains that way..
I get the feeling, again, I don't know this, which is why I asked to begin with, that both of you have a valid point. Different, but both valid.
But let me get back to my question, can we, in the off season, correct those things that cause us to be unable to get the big plays on a consistent basis..
Peen says we need another Edwards Caliber receiver.. Attack says DA or whoever has to be more accurate in the short game..
I'm pretty sure we can find another receiver, but can DA learn to be a guy that can get it done in 10 yards or less?
So,, can he? I don't know.. I think so. He's a bright guy with a big arm and certainly has the right demeanor.. Kind of a "steady has she goes" mindset..
So yeah, I think he can. He's also got good coaches around him that should, as Pit would say, "Coach him up".
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There is a simple reason why I have a different thought about it.  Just not saying it yet till he responds... And just so it's not shown as a bias..Phil said it.. Most of it goes to DA.. I saw open receivers..other people saw open recievers..it wasn't a case where the secondary locked up our wideouts so tight that no pass could be thrown.... Often it would just take a accurate pass to hit them in stride..often the pass was either behind-high-low...causing them to twist-reach or jump...
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NOT EVEN CLOSE ..... for starters NO ONE and i mean NO ONE proves themselves in one year .. the list of one hit wonders is EXTREMELY LONG ... thats LAUGHABLE that u think hes proven himself based on 1 year ...
also IMO ALL HES PROVEN is that with ONE of the BEST IF NOT the BEST PASS BLOCKING OL'S in the ENTIRE NFL with as GOOD a PAIR of RECIEVERS as thie is in the ENTIRE NFL against more than likely the EASIEST SCHEDULE ever put toghether he was EXTREMELY INCONSISTENT ....
at the end of the day ... if u had to pick one word to sum him up it would have to be INCONSISTENT .... cause thats what he was almost every single week within the same game ... and within the same half and quarters alot of times ... hell from pass to pass we never knew what we would get ...
be honest .. and answer one question for me ...
When he dropped back to pass what did U feel like .. what went through your head and gut???
and let me save u the trouble ..
DAVID DAVID DAVID!!!!!!!!!! .... *LOL* ...
Peenie .... and i'm gonna be nice to U for a post or two .. maybe even 3 cause I WAS WRONG and U WERE RIGHT ...
Berrian is a DROP MACHINE ... he would be CRUSHED by the folks of C-Town .. he has WORLD CLASS SPEED and hands of stone ... i wouldn't touch this guy with a ten foot pole ..
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Yes yes,, but what everyone seems to either miss, or downplay as being less relevant is that DA was only in his first year as a starter. Lots of pretty darn good NFL QB's started out no better than DA did this year. (please don't make me list them,, I'm old and senile and it would hurt to much  , besides, you know them as well as I do) That's why you will most always see me take the position that DA probably can improve.. rather than taking the position that he can't..
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Some thing else that should be mentioned is the beating his receivers took ( and there accrobatic catching ) just to get him to 50% in the 1-10 area ..
and that is HUGE .... HUGE .... Brey missed plays on at least 2 occasions that I know of .. and KW missed plays at least once ... Cribba also got shaken up real bad and could not have played for a few plays and may have missed be a gunner on a punt all cause DA left them HANGING OUT TO DRY ... and thats just the ones they actually got hurt on .. there were MANY MANY MORE they got literally crushed ..
HUGE HUGE HUGE point made here ...
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Tony Romo for one. Last year saw 3 of his final 5 games of the year register a QB rating below 60, with the exceptions coming against defensive powerhouses Atlanta and Detroit. That was Romo's 4th season, and he didn't start the entire year either.
Tom Brady didn't start until his 2nd season. Near the end of the regular season, he began to tail off. His final 5 games included 2 TD passes and 5 INTs. Of course, he then went on to imortality in the Super Bowl ..... but he did suffer a bit if a letdown at the end of the regular season.
Neither guy was a "rookie" ..... and at least 1 turned out OK. lol
another PRIME EXAMPLE of why ....
STATS ARE FOR LOSERS!!!!!!!!
lets just forget about OL's/ Recievers and who they played against and boil it down to Romo/Brady vs the Wonder Boy .. it was 100% about the QB's .. 
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I have been saying it.
I saw more great catches than great throws this season.
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Browns to the bone,
I will add one observation to your post.
DA did not look like a man that was willing to sit behind Brady during Quinn's one drive vs. San Fran'.
He looked like a man that would have tried playing with his left had the D ripped off his right arm.
Imho, Da has had a taste of starting,stardom & success. I doubt he will want to relinquish that.
I Warning to all rookies that have proven NOTHING in the NFL. Your being handed a mountain of millions based soley on potential. Don't hold out for 1 or 2 more. I'm willing to bet that Brady would take back his hold out if it ment he had a legit shot at the starting job last season. Now it "could" be a couple years before he gets a starting roll if DA does everything right.
You raise a good point, let me add to your addition. I would have been very dissapointed if DA hadn't wanted to get back into the game if he were able too. The fact that he wanted back in is a positive. he said if this was to be the last game of the season then he wanted to be out on the field with his teammates. And I can understand that on quite a few levels. I don't think that DA was in fear of what BQ could or couldn't do, I think it's more of wanting to finish what he started. No I wouldn't try to read to much into this, he could return, and he did. Good for him he did the right thing.
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Da finished what he started in the Bungals game !!!!!! and i completely disagree on DA getting back in he was scared ____less on what BQ could do,he saw his job fading away.
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Yes yes,, but what everyone seems to either miss, or downplay as being less relevant is that DA was only in his first year as a starter.
I might say..SO?
In terms of decision making..I might give him that..but it's only a short reprieve..
Why? Because he really hasn't changed much from college..its the same mess he was doing at Oregon St.
As the season went along..you should see PROGRESS in certain areas..not regression..
If you have been a victim of doing certain things..you should adjust...he didn't do it as much as he could have...
But he can improve on that part..
The accuracy problem is another thing..
Anf this is where it's telling..while his arm is strong..he really isn't even accurate on deep throws as his balls tend to sail...
I could take that if he was extremely accurate in that 1-10 yard window..
To be a successful QB , YOU'VE GOT TO hit those shots consistantly....U can't leave first downs/yardage/TD's on the field simply because you can't hit a open man out there.
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I didn't say that ... he made ALOT OF GREAT THROWS ... U gotta give credit where credit is due .. the Recievers made SOME GREAT CATCHES but he made MORE GREAT THROWS ...
I will say this .. the RATIO WAS WAY WAY WAY TO CLOSE ...
ratio's a stat term isn't it??? *LOL* ...
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Da finished what he started in the Bungals game !!!!!! and i completely disagree on DA getting back in he was scared ____less on what BQ could do,he saw his job fading away.
How old are you? Just wondering. Because your analysis of why DA isn't that good is way way off. You're basing this on one game. You sound like me when I used to post in high school. (Not trying to be insulting, I just don't think your eyes are that open about the game of football at this point in time, doesn't mean you can't learn)
Look, you can have gut feelings about how DA's gonna pan out next year (hell, I'm infamous for saying the first game of '06 I had a gut feeling that Frye was gonna be a BUM and lo and behold I was right).
I think you're right on DA wanting to get back in the game at all costs cuz he felt the feeling of the Brady Bunch coming to life.
But you're ignoring all the GOOD things DA did. While I'm in the Quinn is better camp, there is no doubt in my mind that DA can start in this league.
Saying DA sucks cuz he threw 4 picks against Cinci is rubbish...it's an abberation, but if you look at his total body of work over the 2nd half of the year it tells a better picture.
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In terms of decision making..I might give him that..but it's only a short reprieve..
Why? Because he really hasn't changed much from college.
See this is where I get very very confused..
We often hear about this QB Guru or that QB Guru who was able to turn this QB into a winner or that QB into a winner...
Yet, there are comments like this that make me think that you don't believe that mindsets and thinking can be improved...
So is this really an indictment of DA,, or Rip Schere (sp)
Are you saying, "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" ?
Hey, you may be right in the end. DA may be what he is and may never be more that than.. I don't know for sure.. (neither do you either)
But at 24 years old, with the other intangibles he has shown, I'll keep an open mind about it.
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I didn't say that ... he made ALOT OF GREAT THROWS ... U gotta give credit where credit is due .. the Recievers made SOME GREAT CATCHES but he made MORE GREAT THROWS ...
I will say this .. the RATIO WAS WAY WAY WAY TO CLOSE ...
ratio's a stat term isn't it??? *LOL* ...
I didn’t’ say he didn’t make great throws. I just saw more great catches than great throws.
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I thought I said he could improve in the decision making area...
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and U could ahve PM'd me so i could adjust it .. *L* ..
I hope all is well .. when U due and do u know what it is yet??
Yes, I could have PM'd you, but I wanted to instigate something here.  
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I thought I said he could improve in the decision making area...
Yeah you did, but what about the other areas,, are you saying that he CAN NEVER improve? or did I just read to much into it.
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Good God man ...
He's going to IMPROVE ... theres no doubt about that .. PROBLEM is he will more than likely NEVER IMPROVE enough to be more than an INCONSISTENT QB with a GUN for an arm ...
and he will NEVER IMPROVE near enough on his ACCURACY ... not even close .. he is almost a finished product in this area ... thats not me talking either .. thats just the way it is ....
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Very difficult to improve accuracy...timing yes...thats getting the ball out BEFORE WR's come out of their break...
Qb's are either good at this or they suck..
Since DA throws are often erratic...high/low/behind/out in front too much ..I wonder if he can actually improve on it....
Setting his feet as Eo has often said hinders him.. could help but I don't know how much..
I think the timing stuff in the short areas is more attainable ,than him controlling his arm totally..
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If you think Barrian is a drop machine, fine, there are different opinins out there and I can't say I make a point of watching Bears games.
I know looking at his numbers he went from 50 something catches in 06 to 70 something this past season.
I know you don't like stats.....but those are really more just plain old numbers that do have some meaning.
Even putting him aside and inserting any name that meets your approval, I feel pretty strong another wideout is going to be explored.
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Da finished what he started in the Bungals game !!!!!! and i completely disagree on DA getting back in he was scared ____less on what BQ could do,he saw his job fading away.
How old are you? Just wondering. Because your analysis of why DA isn't that good is way way off. You're basing this on one game. You sound like me when I used to post in high school. (Not trying to be insulting, I just don't think your eyes are that open about the game of football at this point in time, doesn't mean you can't learn)
Look, you can have gut feelings about how DA's gonna pan out next year (hell, I'm infamous for saying the first game of '06 I had a gut feeling that Frye was gonna be a BUM and lo and behold I was right).
I think you're right on DA wanting to get back in the game at all costs cuz he felt the feeling of the Brady Bunch coming to life.
But you're ignoring all the GOOD things DA did. While I'm in the Quinn is better camp, there is no doubt in my mind that DA can start in this league.
Saying DA sucks cuz he threw 4 picks against Cinci is rubbish...it's an abberation, but if you look at his total body of work over the 2nd half of the year it tells a better picture.
You need an anger management class, for one thing show me where I said DA sucks !!!!!!! And yes I do base a lot of what I think about DA on the two biggest games of his career Arizona and the Bungals in both big games its my opinion he is 90% of the reason we lost both of them.
Also I see no real reason to attack me and insult me on this board for a valid opinion.and if you recognize any high schoolish writing or posts you of all should know.
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Since DA throws are often erratic...high/low/behind/out in front too much ..I wonder if he can actually improve on it....
I don't wonder if he can.....people can....the question is whether he can....because some can't......but i think we are on the same page.
This off season will tell...everybody gets worked with, but the #1 guy gets a little more attention. Now that he has a season of work under the belt, it's very possible the staff and DA will work to specifically improve flaws in the game/mechanics.
With somewhat limited looks up to this season, I am not sure the staff was totally sure of what they had in the guy.
Actually, it is pretty clear they didn't know for sure or he probably wouldn't have been on the bubble in camp and for that matter, we may have never even drafted BQ.
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Dude, don't worry about it. I assure you that 90% of the people who read him chastising another person's posting for being immature and lacking correct football analysis were laughing their asses off. 
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