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Well, that settles it, Darryl has spoken!

I haven’t t seen any of the game, but from what I’ve read, he needs to stop whining, moping around the sideline like a high school kid. His dad was a great player, we aren’t sure he is.

Not even close.

Hopefully you can see it so you can draw your own conclusions. I will say he did have a ton of pressure on him in most drop backs. Some of them he should have moved up in the pocket and gotten rid of the ball. Other times he had time and failed to throw the ball. One play he ran straight backwards for a huge loss. I don’t remember what the yardage to go was but after the sack it was third and thirty five. I thought his body language was bad as well.

I’m rooting for the kid but he isn’t ready yet. I would keep Pickett as our number two over Gabriel until I see more. If Flacco falters put Gabriel in.

couldn't post much due to other obligations, but the 1st team O looked like it should. I think Fannin is gonna be a good player. And I like Sampson's burst

Here's the play. Sack for a 24 yard loss.

he has a really bad habit of drifting back .. back ... that only leads to disaster in the NFL

2nd and 24?????

Get that stink off!!

Congrats, this may the dumbest comment I’ve seen on this board. It definitely holds the standard to compare others to for at least the rest of this season. Just so so dumb. Are you also a flat earther?

Tends to be the intellectual/ emotional children who like to imagine that others are similarly intellectual/ emotional children and imagine they have all sorts of fanciful resentments and melodramas even when there’s no history of it, no evidence and it would only hurt their own cause. Why would he do that? Because his desire to be known as a good draft picker would eclipse his desire to be successful at his job and ultimately keep that job? Because (as an nfl coach) he doesn’t like QBs who have confidence? Wut? What evidence do you have for literally any of this?

None. The answer is none. Or rather, the twitter children’s mob. Which is the same thing as none.

Not exactly a good day for Deion. Son Shedeur looked really bad for the Browns, his other son Shilo gets ejected from his game for punching someone in the head.

Happy for Fannin! I got to see more of Sampson. I am impressed. Sanders was lousy. Looked like Frustration led to a tantrum. SS stunk it up. Not ready for this game, and when the real bullets fly in NFL ball. Be confident, but evidently lots to learn yet. Maybe PS. Has taken quite a few sacks, and didna help the cause today. Keeping him for more of this product today? Watson 2.0 performance?

Joe knows. Don't care about social media opinion like some seem chained to. Lousy habits that weren't coached out before and must be now. A real drive-killer today. Congrats to DG for solid work today. Praise for Flacco. We had to carry SS today and managed to survive. Snooooop!

PS Not sure we can live with Hopkins. We have his competitor to thank for the win. Preseason wins still feel good. Go, Browns!

I just love all the idiots who think Sanders will land on another team if he is cut from the Browns. No one else wanted him. After a game today where he completely regressed into the bad habbits that made him fall in the draft I don't think any other team is desperate enough to sign a back up QB where they have to deal with all his idiotic fanatics. Sanders is very much at risk of being Tim Tebowed out of the league.

Instead Sanders, needs to work hard to fix his problems because they ARE fixable. Once he fixes the problems his father failed to fix I think he has a real shot. I actually though he was doing good on improving himself till he cracked under pressure today and was probably playing hurt. Huntly had no problems moving the ball when he came in so Sander should have been able to move the ball too. I just think Sanders falls into a hero mentality FUNK and just can't get rid of the ball looking for that perfect pass. He has to fix that or he won't be in the league for very long.

I've been wanting to bring this up since this whole the Browns are ruining him thing started a couple weeks ago.


Sanders played under his father his whole life. Played at Jacksonville State then Colorado. 1 system

Gabriel played college ball at Central Florida, Oklahoma, and Oregon. 3 different systems.

There is a reason why Gabriel was getting snaps with the 1st-2nd team in practices (I'm not adding talent and performance into this). He's had way more experiences running different offenses. He's played at top tier colleges, playing against top tier teams. His experience (w/ the playbook, formations, reading, etc.) is one of the main reasons he's getting these reps.

Having Sanders on a separate field is for bring him along slowly to learn many of different things (i.e. fundamentals, playbook, reads, etc.). It's not b/c they want to ruin his career or separating him b/c they hate him. That is just plain dumb.

Joe Flacco is a NFL professional quarterback.

The energizer Bunny will be wearing Hanks old number

I would like to see Shedeur succeed also and Dillon for that matter. The thing I don't understand is how he could look so good against Carolina and so bad yesterday. It looked like 2 entirely different QB's. Right now you would have to put him 5th on the QB list behind Huntley. Not good.

I like Fannin as well.

Bottom line on Sanders is we will keep him to start the season. I don't think we will be able to slide him through to the PS. That being the case, he has some trade value if we decide to go that route. Personally, I don't like the guy but wouldn't give up on him based on one crap performance. It's not like he doesn't have talent. His problem is he is immature. He hasn't had much of a challenge with his Dad being his coach since he was a kid. I don't know if that can be coached out of him or not.

Some may call it setting him up for failure. I call it trying to coach him up to being mentally able to face the rigors of the NFL, but setting him up for failure? No, that is an excuse. Huntley went in and moved the same group of players.

Yes, Huntley is a vet. It just proves that Sanders has a way to go and isn't ready for the mental challenges of playing QB in the NFL. He needs to suck it up and toughen up. It wasn't a good look when it looked like he was going to walk off the field.

I will close with this thought. If this was any other 5th round rookie QB, would the Browns use an additional roster spot to keep him on the team?

I have not seen the game or highlights yet. First and foremost - it's preseason. So good performances mean little. And while running a very bland and vanilla offense - most of the offense whether good or bad, means little too.

With that said - it does sound like SS had a particularly bad game. And while anyone who posts should no I am no Stefanki fan - the idea or even suggestion that he (or the organization) somehow drafted SS and are now 4 months later actively contriving to set him up to fail .... is really tragically, spectacularly asinine. It's unfortunate that anyone would bring race into this - but sadly I read a lot of comments online that certainly read like they support SS for one primary reason and then flip that to criticize the Browns or other fans who critique Sanders. A poster above (Lamp?) highlighted the experience of SS vs Gabriel - the talent they faced, the varied (or singular) offense they have run.... There are very reasonable explanations for some of Sander's struggles after half a training camp and 2 pre-season games. It's not a nail in the coffin for him, in many ways it should be expected. And I don't need to spend more time reading or commentating on our 5th round pick sho is struggling. It's enough to say I hope he improves, much like I hope all the young talent does.

Edit - I should add, of all of it I am possibly most excited about Schwesinger (do we have a universal nickname for him yet?) ... I've coveted a dominating ILB for a decade and been left totally uninspired by our LB core (with the exception of JOK) forever. The D might get tired in some games from a lack of offensive time of possession but they should also be much fun to watch assuming we see limited injuries.

Oh believe me, we see it too.

It's good to know you at least have one black friend and get your opinions from social media.

Sanders needs time to mature and develop as a pro guy. He's got some tools but no experience and bad habits

"justify his own selections."



I feel the need to clarify that KS is "not" the GM.

He does not make draft selections.

j/c

First, for anyone bringing race into this, both of the first two picks in the 2023 NFL draft were black QB's. The first pick in the 2024 draft was a black QB. Being black has nothing to do with this. Second, nobody spends draft capital on a college player in the draft only to sabotage his success. Both of those claims are moronic.

The only thing I've seen as it pertains to what was going on downfield is the shot of the two WR's that were open on that one play posted in this thread. They were both open as it pertains to "the NFL window". Throws that NFL QB's are expected to make. SS didn't not make that throw. Instead he held onto the ball. I can't say whether that was the way it went for his entire time playing yesterday because as I said, I couldn't see what was going on downfield.

His drifting back trying to "make something happen" is cause for concern to say the least. I understand that as a competitor you always want to make a positive play for your team. That's only natural. The thing is as a professional athlete you have to do the smart thing and not the instinctual thing.

One thing that stuck out in my mind was a comment Andrew Berry made when he was in the booth. He said, and I'm paraphrasing here, that the system Sheduer was coming from was like speaking fluent English and now he had to learn Mandarin. That indicates there's a huge learning curve involved here.

I'm certainly not saying the kid doesn't have raw talent. He certainly does. But he is far from ready for the NFL game.

BTW Flo, Berry is a black guy too. I know he's not some rando from the internet or a friend of yours. Unlike them he's actually an NFL GM.

The 2 minute drill led by Gabrielle was a thing of beauty. It required clock management, throws placed in NFL windows and poise. None of which looked too big for Gabriele. You want to finish those drives without giving your opponent time left on the clock to come back and score. That too was done with precision.

To keep things in context this was only a preseason game. It has no bearing on the development or long term careers of either one of these kids. It's just the beginning of their journey. But it was certainly a window with which to see where their starting points currently are.

And yes, while it is still preseason both Graham and Schwesinger look to be starting out on very solid ground. I don't think you could expect to see more at this point from those two rookies.

I do share many of the concerns I've seen posted about our CB depth as well as the Safety position. With the emergence of Schwesinger I'm not nearly as concerned about the LB position as I was earlier. And the DL looks as solid as one could ever ask for.

Agreed, it’s DePodesta that makes all those decisions/selections

I root for any player not named Watson on the Browns. I want both DG and Sanders to do well because they are both fine young men. It hurt my heart to see how devastated Sanders was but I admired how he did his best to keep up a positive face and didn't throw anyone under the bus. He was so clearly destroyed by how bad he played. He got yanked from the game because he was clearly harming himself to be out there. IF you want to play then play better.

The funny thing is I don't expect much. I just view BOTH DG and Sanders as potential backup QBs based on where they were drafted. If they become something more then it's just gravy. I like gravy though so I hope I get some =)