I haven’t t seen any of the game, but from what I’ve read, he needs to stop whining, moping around the sideline like a high school kid. His dad was a great player, we aren’t sure he is.
One thing that Joe Thomas pointed out was that there were times when Sanders had a pocker to step up into, but drifted backwards instead. He has to learn pocket awareness.
Hopefully you can see it so you can draw your own conclusions. I will say he did have a ton of pressure on him in most drop backs. Some of them he should have moved up in the pocket and gotten rid of the ball. Other times he had time and failed to throw the ball. One play he ran straight backwards for a huge loss. I don’t remember what the yardage to go was but after the sack it was third and thirty five. I thought his body language was bad as well.
I’m rooting for the kid but he isn’t ready yet. I would keep Pickett as our number two over Gabriel until I see more. If Flacco falters put Gabriel in.
couldn't post much due to other obligations, but the 1st team O looked like it should. I think Fannin is gonna be a good player. And I like Sampson's burst
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
One play he ran straight backwards for a huge loss. I don’t remember what the yardage to go was but after the sack it was third and thirty five. I thought his body language was bad as well.
he has a really bad habit of drifting back .. back ... that only leads to disaster in the NFL
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
Dillon Gabriel played really well. Kudos to him. He earned all the praise in the world.
Flacco and the starters played impressive and as expected but it’s pre season games without most starters so I take all results with a grain of salt until the big boys arrive. The defense looked good. Dillon definitely deserved to be the QB2 and everything is rosie and fine until it’s not. Week 1-6 will tell us if the optimism is deserved.
It’s obvious that Stefanskis main plan all along was to set up Sanders to fail to justify his own selections. He succeed. I give him that.
This’s the second time he let his ego come before the best interest of one of his players. That’s alarming. I don’t like to say it because the Browns local cavalry will come out in full force to defend him and that will take away the good feelings from todays all around good performances but what I see is a small human being who can’t handle guys with genuine swagger and confidence. First Baker and now this young man.
I see on social media that I’m not alone and it’s really telling that a white old conservative man from northern part of Scandinavia is in full sync with a large part of the black community because of such a blatant lack of respect against a young black man. I just talked to my black friend Darryl from San Mateo and he agreed with me despite being a die hard Niner fan.
Shedeur must for his own good leave this organization asap..
Congrats, this may the dumbest comment I’ve seen on this board. It definitely holds the standard to compare others to for at least the rest of this season. Just so so dumb. Are you also a flat earther?
Tends to be the intellectual/ emotional children who like to imagine that others are similarly intellectual/ emotional children and imagine they have all sorts of fanciful resentments and melodramas even when there’s no history of it, no evidence and it would only hurt their own cause. Why would he do that? Because his desire to be known as a good draft picker would eclipse his desire to be successful at his job and ultimately keep that job? Because (as an nfl coach) he doesn’t like QBs who have confidence? Wut? What evidence do you have for literally any of this?
None. The answer is none. Or rather, the twitter children’s mob. Which is the same thing as none.
"Team Chemistry No Match for Team Biology" (Onion Sports Headline)
Not exactly a good day for Deion. Son Shedeur looked really bad for the Browns, his other son Shilo gets ejected from his game for punching someone in the head.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Happy for Fannin! I got to see more of Sampson. I am impressed. Sanders was lousy. Looked like Frustration led to a tantrum. SS stunk it up. Not ready for this game, and when the real bullets fly in NFL ball. Be confident, but evidently lots to learn yet. Maybe PS. Has taken quite a few sacks, and didna help the cause today. Keeping him for more of this product today? Watson 2.0 performance?
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
Joe knows. Don't care about social media opinion like some seem chained to. Lousy habits that weren't coached out before and must be now. A real drive-killer today. Congrats to DG for solid work today. Praise for Flacco. We had to carry SS today and managed to survive. Snooooop!
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
I just love all the idiots who think Sanders will land on another team if he is cut from the Browns. No one else wanted him. After a game today where he completely regressed into the bad habbits that made him fall in the draft I don't think any other team is desperate enough to sign a back up QB where they have to deal with all his idiotic fanatics. Sanders is very much at risk of being Tim Tebowed out of the league.
Instead Sanders, needs to work hard to fix his problems because they ARE fixable. Once he fixes the problems his father failed to fix I think he has a real shot. I actually though he was doing good on improving himself till he cracked under pressure today and was probably playing hurt. Huntly had no problems moving the ball when he came in so Sander should have been able to move the ball too. I just think Sanders falls into a hero mentality FUNK and just can't get rid of the ball looking for that perfect pass. He has to fix that or he won't be in the league for very long.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
"It’s obvious that Stefanskis main plan all along was to set up Sanders to fail to justify his own selections. He succeed. I give him that."
Obvious hey?
What is the depth chart of the Browns quarterbacks? Let me help you Flacco, Pickett, DG, SS.
What possible incentive would KS have trying to sabotage SS?
Do you know the complete roster and how each player's time is allotted?
Have you ever run or seen a football practice?
To make a statement like you made about any head coach in the NFL making his main plan to be about setting up a any player to fail only illustrates your lack of knowledge about the NFL.
What is obvious is SS has trouble reading a D and frankly, I don't think he has command of the playbook. It doesn't look like he knows where the receivers go on a play. He knows the #1 guy. If that guy isn't open quickly he has to spend too much time searching for another option.
Another thing that is obvious is it doesn't bode well for a players development if his Dad has been his coach his whole life.
And one other thing...Huntley had no problem getting us in to FG position, playing with the same player Sanders was.
Bottom line is Sanders problems were on him. Nobody else.
I've been wanting to bring this up since this whole the Browns are ruining him thing started a couple weeks ago.
Sanders played under his father his whole life. Played at Jacksonville State then Colorado. 1 system
Gabriel played college ball at Central Florida, Oklahoma, and Oregon. 3 different systems.
There is a reason why Gabriel was getting snaps with the 1st-2nd team in practices (I'm not adding talent and performance into this). He's had way more experiences running different offenses. He's played at top tier colleges, playing against top tier teams. His experience (w/ the playbook, formations, reading, etc.) is one of the main reasons he's getting these reps.
Having Sanders on a separate field is for bring him along slowly to learn many of different things (i.e. fundamentals, playbook, reads, etc.). It's not b/c they want to ruin his career or separating him b/c they hate him. That is just plain dumb.
I would like to see Shedeur succeed also and Dillon for that matter. The thing I don't understand is how he could look so good against Carolina and so bad yesterday. It looked like 2 entirely different QB's. Right now you would have to put him 5th on the QB list behind Huntley. Not good.
Happy for Fannin! I got to see more of Sampson. I am impressed. Sanders was lousy. Looked like Frustration led to a tantrum. SS stunk it up. Not ready for this game, and when the real bullets fly in NFL ball. Be confident, but evidently lots to learn yet. Maybe PS. Has taken quite a few sacks, and didna help the cause today. Keeping him for more of this product today? Watson 2.0 performance?
I like Fannin as well.
Bottom line on Sanders is we will keep him to start the season. I don't think we will be able to slide him through to the PS. That being the case, he has some trade value if we decide to go that route. Personally, I don't like the guy but wouldn't give up on him based on one crap performance. It's not like he doesn't have talent. His problem is he is immature. He hasn't had much of a challenge with his Dad being his coach since he was a kid. I don't know if that can be coached out of him or not.
Some may call it setting him up for failure. I call it trying to coach him up to being mentally able to face the rigors of the NFL, but setting him up for failure? No, that is an excuse. Huntley went in and moved the same group of players.
Yes, Huntley is a vet. It just proves that Sanders has a way to go and isn't ready for the mental challenges of playing QB in the NFL. He needs to suck it up and toughen up. It wasn't a good look when it looked like he was going to walk off the field.
I will close with this thought. If this was any other 5th round rookie QB, would the Browns use an additional roster spot to keep him on the team?
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I have not seen the game or highlights yet. First and foremost - it's preseason. So good performances mean little. And while running a very bland and vanilla offense - most of the offense whether good or bad, means little too.
With that said - it does sound like SS had a particularly bad game. And while anyone who posts should no I am no Stefanki fan - the idea or even suggestion that he (or the organization) somehow drafted SS and are now 4 months later actively contriving to set him up to fail .... is really tragically, spectacularly asinine. It's unfortunate that anyone would bring race into this - but sadly I read a lot of comments online that certainly read like they support SS for one primary reason and then flip that to criticize the Browns or other fans who critique Sanders. A poster above (Lamp?) highlighted the experience of SS vs Gabriel - the talent they faced, the varied (or singular) offense they have run.... There are very reasonable explanations for some of Sander's struggles after half a training camp and 2 pre-season games. It's not a nail in the coffin for him, in many ways it should be expected. And I don't need to spend more time reading or commentating on our 5th round pick sho is struggling. It's enough to say I hope he improves, much like I hope all the young talent does.
Edit - I should add, of all of it I am possibly most excited about Schwesinger (do we have a universal nickname for him yet?) ... I've coveted a dominating ILB for a decade and been left totally uninspired by our LB core (with the exception of JOK) forever. The D might get tired in some games from a lack of offensive time of possession but they should also be much fun to watch assuming we see limited injuries.
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The more things change the more they stay the same.
Sanders needs time to mature and develop as a pro guy. He's got some tools but no experience and bad habits
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
First, for anyone bringing race into this, both of the first two picks in the 2023 NFL draft were black QB's. The first pick in the 2024 draft was a black QB. Being black has nothing to do with this. Second, nobody spends draft capital on a college player in the draft only to sabotage his success. Both of those claims are moronic.
The only thing I've seen as it pertains to what was going on downfield is the shot of the two WR's that were open on that one play posted in this thread. They were both open as it pertains to "the NFL window". Throws that NFL QB's are expected to make. SS didn't not make that throw. Instead he held onto the ball. I can't say whether that was the way it went for his entire time playing yesterday because as I said, I couldn't see what was going on downfield.
His drifting back trying to "make something happen" is cause for concern to say the least. I understand that as a competitor you always want to make a positive play for your team. That's only natural. The thing is as a professional athlete you have to do the smart thing and not the instinctual thing.
One thing that stuck out in my mind was a comment Andrew Berry made when he was in the booth. He said, and I'm paraphrasing here, that the system Sheduer was coming from was like speaking fluent English and now he had to learn Mandarin. That indicates there's a huge learning curve involved here.
I'm certainly not saying the kid doesn't have raw talent. He certainly does. But he is far from ready for the NFL game.
BTW Flo, Berry is a black guy too. I know he's not some rando from the internet or a friend of yours. Unlike them he's actually an NFL GM.
The 2 minute drill led by Gabrielle was a thing of beauty. It required clock management, throws placed in NFL windows and poise. None of which looked too big for Gabriele. You want to finish those drives without giving your opponent time left on the clock to come back and score. That too was done with precision.
To keep things in context this was only a preseason game. It has no bearing on the development or long term careers of either one of these kids. It's just the beginning of their journey. But it was certainly a window with which to see where their starting points currently are.
And yes, while it is still preseason both Graham and Schwesinger look to be starting out on very solid ground. I don't think you could expect to see more at this point from those two rookies.
I do share many of the concerns I've seen posted about our CB depth as well as the Safety position. With the emergence of Schwesinger I'm not nearly as concerned about the LB position as I was earlier. And the DL looks as solid as one could ever ask for.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I root for any player not named Watson on the Browns. I want both DG and Sanders to do well because they are both fine young men. It hurt my heart to see how devastated Sanders was but I admired how he did his best to keep up a positive face and didn't throw anyone under the bus. He was so clearly destroyed by how bad he played. He got yanked from the game because he was clearly harming himself to be out there. IF you want to play then play better.
The funny thing is I don't expect much. I just view BOTH DG and Sanders as potential backup QBs based on where they were drafted. If they become something more then it's just gravy. I like gravy though so I hope I get some =)
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
First, for anyone bringing race into this, both of the first two picks in the 2023 NFL draft were black QB's. The first pick in the 2024 draft was a black QB. Being black has nothing to do with this. Second, nobody spends draft capital on a college player in the draft only to sabotage his success. Both of those claims are moronic.
The only thing I've seen as it pertains to what was going on downfield is the shot of the two WR's that were open on that one play posted in this thread. They were both open as it pertains to "the NFL window". Throws that NFL QB's are expected to make. SS didn't not make that throw. Instead he held onto the ball. I can't say whether that was the way it went for his entire time playing yesterday because as I said, I couldn't see what was going on downfield.
His drifting back trying to "make something happen" is cause for concern to say the least. I understand that as a competitor you always want to make a positive play for your team. That's only natural. The thing is as a professional athlete you have to do the smart thing and not the instinctual thing.
One thing that stuck out in my mind was a comment Andrew Berry made when he was in the booth. He said, and I'm paraphrasing here, that the system Sheduer was coming from was like speaking fluent English and now he had to learn Mandarin. That indicates there's a huge learning curve involved here.
I'm certainly not saying the kid doesn't have raw talent. He certainly does. But he is far from ready for the NFL game.
BTW Flo, Berry is a black guy too. I know he's not some rando from the internet or a friend of yours. Unlike them he's actually an NFL GM.
The 2 minute drill led by Gabrielle was a thing of beauty. It required clock management, throws placed in NFL windows and poise. None of which looked too big for Gabriele. You want to finish those drives without giving your opponent time left on the clock to come back and score. That too was done with precision.
To keep things in context this was only a preseason game. It has no bearing on the development or long term careers of either one of these kids. It's just the beginning of their journey. But it was certainly a window with which to see where their starting points currently are.
And yes, while it is still preseason both Graham and Schwesinger look to be starting out on very solid ground. I don't think you could expect to see more at this point from those two rookies.
I do share many of the concerns I've seen posted about our CB depth as well as the Safety position. With the emergence of Schwesinger I'm not nearly as concerned about the LB position as I was earlier. And the DL looks as solid as one could ever ask for.
I actually looked up the first round NFL draft for the last 10 years because some Facebook "experts" were claiming the entire NFL, not just the Browns, were racist and did not want black QBs.
Info I found from 2016-2025 drafts 1st rounds?
4 times, including the immediate past 3 years, a black QB was the number 1 overall pick.
In the 1st round all 32 picks each year, there were a combined 15 black QBs selected (the 15 number includes the 4 #1 overall choices)
If I had more ambition I could have added more by looking at all rounds as one name that popped in the 3rd round one year was Jacoby Brisset. Anyway, just thought I would share the data. Some the names I had forgotten.
It’s obvious that Stefanskis main plan all along was to set up Sanders to fail to justify his own selections. He succeed. I give him that.
So it was Stefanski that got every single team to pass on him 4+ times?
And then it was Stefanski that got Shedeur to exhibit the same weaknesses that had every team pass on him like they did? Why then, did Stefanski have Shedeur play the first preseason game when we had Carolina (practically a high school defense) that was going to make the offense look good?
There has been some inane QB commentary associated with the Browns over the years, but this stuff is next level. A fifth rounder playing like a fifth rounder dominating the 24-hour news cycle is comical.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I just talked to my black friend Darryl from San Mateo and he agreed with me despite being a die hard Niner fan.
Well, that settles it, Darryl has spoken!
The real question is... is Darryl homeless.... He may be our resident QB expert who played a central role in our last overhyped QB drama.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
He is going to get time to watch and learn. He needs to take advantage of the time.
Watch Flacco. Study film.
Work on breaking bad habits.
See pre-snap alignments. Read post snap. Get the ball out.
Break the habit of going backward. Advance your clock.
He is accurate. He can move.
He has skills. He also has lots to work on. He has to take advantage of the learning opportunity. Not dwell on the negative that he is not the starter.
Yea, the All-22 was interesting to see regarding Gabriel and Sanders.
Gabriel - decisive in his throws, though 1 or 2 were ok reads, but had a better option in front of him - quick reads, ball is out - pocket movement was solid - ball placement was solid, except for one outside route thrown a little high, one that should've been on the outside shoulder, and one that was tipped at the line
Sanders - QB drops on a few were really deep, maybe it was designed that way(?) however, made it difficult on the Tackles as the DE's just had to go upfield instead of crashing. An example, he's in shotgun 7 step drop and he's another 10 yards deep (not counting the already the distance from being in shotgun) - adding to the first comment, there were pockets available to him, however he really couldn't step up b/c his initial drop was so deep - reads / decisions weren't very quick, there were options available. He didn't seem to trust his reads or he just didn't see them.
He played behind the same OL Gabriel did, at least for part of his time in. (and Gabriel drove the team to a score right before the half)
Sanders could have been a bit rusty, and that's fine ..... but man he was slow in his reads. He kind of reminded me of Brady Quinn playing well against the worst defense in the NFL in his 1st start ..... then he fell apart from there.
Hopefully Sanders really bears down and studies his butt off, so he sees the field better in his next opportunity.
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