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Waterdawg made a good point on a thread about Gibbs resigning from the Redskins..

He made mention that the openings for coaches are in Baltimore, Washington, Atlanta and Miami.

The thought he had and it made me think for a moment is wow,, what a bunch of horrible situations..

Baltimore: Aging team with a defensive leader that seems to run the show.. is that a good situation for anyone.

Washington: Nobody but Gibbs has been able to keep Dan Snyder in check. Since Gibbs arrived, Snyder has appeared to stay out of the way giving him complete control and the respect he deserves... Is the next guy gonna get treated like that, or like Marty? Another situation that isn't very good.

Atlanta: Wow, no QB, team in revolt, a mess at the top of the organization (not the owner but the GM) it's another kinda hell for the next coach

Miami: Who is gonna wanna be the coach and have Parcells looking over thier shoulder day and night?

So, with all that being said, who do you think goes where.

Candidates that I'm aware of are:

Marty

Billick

Cam Cameron

Garrett

Chud (although he just signed an extension, we've seen in the past where that didn't matter)

Pepper Johnson

Josh McDaniels

The last two can't be contacted yet, they are in the playoffs, same with Garrett of course..

Those are who I know of that are likely candidates,,, who do you think will go where...

'Cower is available as well. He's said that he won't coach next year, but plans can always change given the right incentive .......

I hear Mike Singletary's name bandied about from time to time...

Oakland and Tampa aren't safe yet either... Lots of new faces coming.

I think we need to get in touch with some scientists and find out what the heck hit the eartern seaboard.

I think the best situation is Miami, at least if I were a coach.

I wouldn't mind having Parcells pick the guy who picks the groceries for me. Plus Parcells would likely exercise patience with me cuz he knows the situation is a complete mess and he knows football reasoning.

Washington is a mess, over the cap with a horrible owner.

Baltimore...the Browns fan in me can't even comment on it. It's the best situation but they too are old, near the cap and need to rebuild but Ozzie is a good GM.

Atlanta? Stay the hell away, I'd rather go to Washington and have Snyderbrenner breathing down my neck than Arthur Blank. Plus their fans are awful. (and yes, the passion of a team's fanbase factors into my decision cuz I don't wanna play an extra road game at home against teams with hardcore fanbases who travel)

As for who goes where? Who the hell knows...personally it wouldn't surprise me if some candidates decline to interview for the Falcons job...

and I can guarantee if the Raiders job comes open again people would decline that job.

I agree that most of those situations look bad but the Atlanta job isn't as bad as some make it out to be.

I never thought much of Vick the QB. Vick the athlete, that is a different story. The fact is the owner wants to win. He wants the team to succeed. With Vick gone you can come in and clean house. Nobody is going to blame the next guy for all of the problems. That guy is going to get his chance to take his time and bring in the players that he wants.

Sure he has to start from scratch for the most part but the owner is going to give you the ability to do what is needed.

If Parcells wasn't looking over your shoulder I don't think Miami would be bad either. It would be something to be the guy to bring a franchise out of the cellar. There is nowhere to go but up in that situation.

Yes, Of course, Cowher is there possibly and BrownsBabe is right about Singletary.. His name keeps coming up year after year..

What makes all of this worse is the Need by each team to follow the Rooney Rule and interview a minority candidate... so you know that Pepper Johnson and Singletary will get calls just like RAC did for years until finally, we hired him.

Does anyone think that Dennis Green might be a candidate for any of these openings.

I'm not saying the Rooney rule is a bad thing,, I think it's a good thing in fact,,

Ammo,, I hear you on not wanting to comment on Baltimore,, On one hand, I hate that team, on the other hand, I have a ton of respect for Ozzie Newsome.

Someone else said that Arthur Blank might be a problem,, actually, I don't know that man, but everything I've read says he's a pretty decent guy who just wants to win at any cost.

That whole Vick thing with the Dog Fighting and then the loyality shown to Vick by some of his teammates is sickening.. VICK single handedly ruined that franchise for years to come..

Miami,, If Parcells takes a guy like Garret or Mo Carthon and puts one of them in charge, then it might be alright for them.. he knows and respects them. But I think for a guy that doesn't have history with Parcells, the job would be impossible to do.

With that in mind, here's where I think who will go where based solely on the names mentioned thus far:

Marty to Baltimore (marty and Ozzie have history)

Billick to Atlanta (billick is just arrogant enough to pull that crew together)

Garrett to Miami (probably the best fit for working with Parcells)

McDanials to Washington (he's young and aggressive. He and Snyder will work well to gether...)

The only one that might now make sense is the Billick to Atlanta. They may opt to go for youth... that leaves billick out.

And if San Francisco or Oakland or Tampa open up,, it's gonna get real interesting in a hurry.

I think it's time Al Gore got a call .

j/c Reading a thread from a month ago about cap space, Atlanta, Baltimore and Washington are the three bottom teams in cap space, making those teams even harder to turn around. With the estimates (I don't know how they can estimate anything until after all proceeds are in), it shows Washington at $20 mil over the cap. Who in their right mind would go there, knowing that the team has to start all over again. It would have to be someone either desperate or someone just starting out as a head coach. None of the four situations sound very appealing. They seem to be set up to fail.

Just clickin,

Although i hate to say it but the Baltimore job may be the most appealing. If they can get a QB (Smith?), a big play WR, and a quality CB they could be AFC contenders again.

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Although i hate to say it but the Baltimore job may be the most appealing. If they can get a QB (Smith?), a big play WR, and a quality CB they could be AFC contenders again.

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As we've found out, it's way harder to get a QB than some think it is.. But if Smith is the guy that can get the job done, then yeah, you might be right about them being contenders..

But the CAP problems they could have might stop that from happening..

Speaking of CAP issues.. Washington, Baltimore and Atlanta, as has been said, might be in trouble,

But I always thought there were ways around CAP issues.. like getting rid of dead weight... All three of those teams have players that aren't gonna be there next season..

Looking at the Ravens,, I'm sure that McNair won't be there, same with Ogden and Suggs may be gone. Those three should free up some significant space right?

(I'm no capologist by any means)

I'm sure Washington and Atlanta have guys that won't be there also.

Someone mentioned Tony Sparano of Dallas,, yeah, he's another one that could be in consideration.. again, maybe Miami.

To me, Atlanta is the most appealing. Of course, this is in a Madden/Front Office Football video game kind of way. You'd need to come in and make some trades - player for player, if possible, because this draft is pretty weak. Clean out the bad apples, bring in guys who fit what you want to do. I have no knowledge on the subject, but the people saying they have a weak fan base or Arthur Blank likes to meddle might sway me away from the Atlanta decision.

To me, though, Atlanta is basically a Tabula Rosa - a clean slate. De'Angelo Hall has to go, and can you honestly name one good player that team has besides him? The only player I can name at all is Jerious Norwood - that is outside of the atrocities that played QB for them this season.

Of course, I may be talking GM moves instead of coaching moves. But then, I'd want control over both to go to any of those teams! Yuck.

I see Cowher going to the Skins or Falcons. Both owners will give him total football control, and are willing to pay him more than the others...probably extraordinarily more than the others.

This was just posted on NFL.com 4 minutes ago,,

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Posted: 4 minutes ago
Ravens interview Eagles assistant for head coaching job
Associated Press


OWINGS MILLS, Md. -- Philadelphia Eagles secondary coach John Harbaugh met for four hours with Baltimore Ravens officials on Tuesday as the team's latest candidate for its head coaching job.

Harbaugh was the sixth candidate to interview for the vacancy created last week when owner Steve Bisciotti fired Brian Billick and his entire staff after nine seasons.

"I don't think there's any one way to prepare to be a head coach," Harbaugh said before leaving Ravens headquarters. "I don't think you're a head coach until you become a head coach and you find out what your style is. Everybody applies their experiences, their talents, their efforts and then you see what happens. Andy Reid was never a coordinator before being a head coach and he's one of the best in the league."

Harbaugh, 45, coached Eagles special teams for seven seasons before shifting to defense last year. He has been an assistant coach at Indiana, Cincinnati, Morehead State, Pittsburgh and Western Michigan.

The Ravens also have interviewed Indianapolis Colts assistant head coach Jim Caldwell; Dallas Cowboys assistant head coach Tony Sparano; Cowboys offensive coordinator Jason Garrett; recently dismissed Baltimore defensive coordinator Rex Ryan; and New York Jets offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer.

"Up, down, sideways, from the very top, it's a very impressive place to visit," Harbaugh said. "I knew the Ravens had a great organization. Now, I see why. Good people. First-class all the way. It's been challenging, but it has been fun."

Three candidates have declined to interview with the Ravens: New England Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz and Cleveland Browns offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski.

Ryan interviewed Tuesday for the Miami Dolphins' coaching position after meeting Monday with the Atlanta Falcons.

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

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More names to add to potential coaches,,

Rex Ryan
Brian Shottenhiemer (SP)
and now Harbaugh

You forgot Tony Sprano (the guy from Dallas) and Mike Singletary. And believe me, down here in Tampa Bay, Gruden is nowhere near safe.

Brownie,, they are both mentioned in the thread by other posters.., didn't see the need to repeat...

But yes, they are both candidates or so it seems...

Gruden in trouble? Wow,, that to me is a bit of a surprise..

Mike Martz just took over as OC for SF so cross him off the list for now

Sorry for the repeat Daman. But yea, and while Gruden is under fire, they still have not renewed Monte Kiffin's contract. (there D Coordinator)

Just some stuff to chew on in this whole Coaching Carousel we see every year.

Tony Sporano will be the Dolphins coach. They can't make it official yet because Dallas is still playing, but Parcells probably already has the contract written up as well as a few assistants lined up for him.

Baltimore stated they had about 30 candidates in mind for their coaching position. They've interviewed some, will interview some more, and might get rejects some more too (A+ on that one, Chud. Even if it's because of your "new baby").

Atlanta is just whacked. They're interviewing coaches while interviewing for a new GM as well. Why wouldn't they want their new GM in on the head coach interviews? Doesn't make a lick of sense.

Washington may not hire anyone. DC Gregg Williams has a big contract and he could get the promotion. There's been rumors that he's got a stipulation in his contract now that if he's not named the successor to Gibbs, he gets a big bonus. But I think those rumors turned out untrue.

One note about Gruden's situation in Tampa: pretty much all of his coaching staff's contracts are up at the end of this season, and no one has gotten an extension yet. Is that because they plan to clean house? Time will tell.

I think if Brian Schottenheimer gets hired by the Ravens, Marty will come on as DC for a couple years. That would be a bit of a scary situation. I wouldn't mind having BSchot in Cleveland, but I have a feeling that when Romeo hangs up his milk dud golf shirt for good, the team might be in Chud's hands. That could be why he signed the extension.

It'll be interesting to see what happens with the Giants and Tom Coughlin. He's been on thin ice recently despite making it to the playoffs pretty regularly. I think he benefited from actually winning a playoff game for once, but that might only earn him one more year to prove himself.

I really don't think St. Louis will make a move this season, but Scott Linehan is definitely a high risk to be out of work come this time next year.

Let us not forget about Jim Schwartz (DC of Titans).

Yes Yes,,, Schwartz is another one along with Rob Ryan and Kiffen from Tampa..

All of a sudden, lots of candidates for 4 known jobs, but more could be coming after the season is complete. Who knows..

Fellas, this is gonna get interesting..

Someone mentioned it,, Yeah, I heard about Martz and the 9ers hooking up. I had completely forgotten about him as a possible HC candidate..

And yeah on Atlanta being a wierd situation. I would think that if you want to do it right, you hire a GM,, then let him pick his coach... But that's just me..

I think Lerner did it right here and that's the method he used...


Sure seems to be working so far.

IMHO Norm Chow deserves to be considered ....

Yup, I agree

baltimoresun.com

Ravens, Schottenheimer talked
Agent says coach has spoken with team about vacancy

By Jamison Hensley

Sun reporter

January 12, 2008

The Ravens have recently talked with veteran NFL coach Marty Schottenheimer about their head coaching vacancy, Schottenheimer's agent said yesterday.

"There's been some discussion but nothing substantive," said Trace Armstrong, a former NFL player who represents Schottenheimer.

Schottenheimer, 64, is expected to wait until the Ravens are done with the first round of interviews before speaking with them again.

The hiring of Schottenheimer would entail the least amount of risk in replacing Brian Billick.

Schottenheimer has a career record of 200-126-1 (.614 winning percentage) during his time with the Cleveland Browns, Kansas City Chiefs, Washington Redskins and San Diego Chargers, and he has had only two losing years in 20 full seasons as a coach.

He was fired by the Chargers at the end of the 2006 season after the 14-2 team finished with a disappointing loss in the second round of the playoffs.

Schottenheimer said last month that he would not return to coaching unless it was the "right circumstance."

Said Armstrong: "I think Marty has earned the right to be selective given what he's accomplished and where he is at this point in his life. Having said that, I personally feel that Baltimore is a tremendous organization. They have a great front office, great ownership and are in a great market. I think there is some talent on that team."

The biggest knock on Schottenheimer is his struggles in the playoffs, in which he is 5-13. But he brings more experience than any of the candidates interviewed by the Ravens.

Another difference with Schottenheimer is his strict, old-school style. Some league observers say they think Schottenheimer would be a good fit because he brings more discipline.

Armstrong said Schottenheimer's relationships with his teams have never been a negative.

"I think if you talk to [LaDainian Tomlinson] and Shawne Merriman, they would say they enjoyed the experience," Armstrong said.

The Ravens don't have to talk to other former players because general manager Ozzie Newsome played under Schottenheimer in Cleveland.

In four full seasons with the Browns, Schottenheimer won 40 games and guided them to two AFC championship game appearances.

Whether it's with the Ravens or another team, Armstrong hinted that Schottenheimer would return to coaching.

Schottenheimer would likely bring recently fired Miami Dolphins head coach Cam Cameron as his offensive coordinator and former Kansas City Chiefs offensive coordinator Mike Solari as his offensive line coach.

• Notes // According to the East Valley Tribune, Terrell Suggs told an Arizona television station that he would love to play for the Cardinals, although no quotation is attributed to the linebacker. Though Suggs is a pending free agent, the Ravens are expected to keep the former Arizona State star with either a franchise tag or a long-term contract. ... There has also been growing speculation that Colts assistant head coach Jim Caldwell - who interviewed with the Ravens eight days ago - might become the next Colts head coach as early as next season if Tony Dungy retires. It stems from a report that Dungy's son Eric has enrolled at a high school in Florida after spending the previous two years at a high school in Indianapolis. ... Tennessee defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz, a Mount St. Joseph graduate, is considered a front-runner for the Washington Redskins' job, according to NBCSports.com.

jamison.hensley@baltsun.com

LOL Who didn't see this coming... I forget who said it, I think someone on ESPN, that there is a connection between Marty and Ozzie, but that they want to go with a more Offensive minded coach...LOL

Yeah,, sure!

I'd hate to see Marty in the AFC North.

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Said Armstrong: ... I personally feel that Baltimore is a tremendous organization. They have a great front office, great ownership and are in a great market. I think there is some talent on that team."

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The only thing wrong with the Rats is that they'd taken on the personality of their head coach. He's a stinker. They've become stinkers.

Marty would fix that and give them a renewed sense of themselves instead of being full of themselves. Marty there in Baltimore with Ozzie would make hating the Rats a bit harder. Billick made it soooooooooo easy.

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Marty there in Baltimore with Ozzie would make hating the Rats a bit harder.

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You going to feel that way if Marty has them beating us twice a year..( won`t happen )

I don`t care if Bernie was their HC....I still can`t stand them....

I can't stand them either. But them is going to be a different them with Marty.

I don't mean to say that I'll be secretly rooting for Marty, but it's hard to root against him. It hasn't had to happen much as we haven't had to play the teams he's coached since he's been here. But if we have to play him twice a year that sucks.


I can't automatically hate a guy just because he's on another team. Marty was a good coach for us and some of my best Browns memories of the past 40 years was with Marty at the helm.

ESPN

The Rats have apparently made an offer to Jason Garrett.

Can;t say the choice scares me all that much. Fairly inexperienced and he had alot of tools to play with at Dallas than he'd have with the Rats.

he would be crazy to accept it because Baltimore is terrible.

Interesting...

Baltimore's offense is definitely not Dallas'....

He's either a bright star or a big flop. They love him here in D-town as they should - he played here. He's a sharp guy. We'll see how this pans out but I like this hiring FAR more than Chud!!!!

I'm torn on him, there's no doubt he won't have the weapons but the Cowboys picked up a few players and got one healthy which gave them a solid line. Rats have RB, and some ok WR's.

Can't say this scares me either. I had heard that his play calling while great earlier in the year, started getting to the head scratching phase later in the season. I saw this for myself in the last game they played. Not saying he lost it for them, by no means what so ever. When you have 11 penalties and few dropped passes, the players are to blame. It just seems like he calls a vanilla game. It could just be that it's his first year as a coordinator though

I just read a very flattering article on Garrett,, he is supposed to be a very very bright guy. The Offense he had in Dallas was amazing, but it's still ONLY 1 Year... Just one..

I guess he's the flavor of the month.. He's a local kid having grown up around NE Ohio.. so I'd wish him well no matter what but this kid is heading for a buzz saw down in Baltimore.. in one sense I wanna say,, Good for him,, he's a HC... on the other hand, I don't think I'd wish that job on anyone.