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Don't go there. There are many vids of democrats saying vile things about Trump. Shoot, we need look no further than here on dawgtalkers about people wishing ill on republicans.

trump could be a a good leader of the usa and tone this down . But he chooses not to. He chooses to encuorage more violence. For his own gain.

Tell us all how he's encouraged violence.

Good point. It’s all her fault.

You know what, you’re right. Those were awful and the things said about Kirk were awful, too.

I did see where Dowd was fired and he should have been.

I don’t see where any of the prominent Dem leaders said anything rising to that level. I might be mistaken on that front, but, regardless, I think we’re going down that slippery slope of one vs the other again. I think we collectively need to tell them to STFU so the adults can take over again. As it is, we’ve already given the peanut gallery the pulpit.

I don't know who said it, some law enforcement person was asked a question if he was confident nobody else was involved or something along those lines. He said he was confident it was a lone shooter.

I think the police are still looking in to if anybody else was involved. It's still very much an active investigation. At least I would think so. Forensic DNA, ballistics...was a bullet ever recovered?

I appreciate a decent discussion. There are plenty of vids of democrats advocating for violence against trump.

I do too.

And that is wrong for them to do that.

Yes I can!!! You gave me a good chuckle when I wondered about what part of the Constitution did the Bible influence? I don’t seem to recall any discussion about bicameral legislative branches or separation of powers…. It was written in the times of Kings and authoritarian rule, even where God was concerned.

I get it. It hard to refute my comments. And I have no place for passing judgement on others and deciding what is wrong or right. You can be you, I’ll be me.. Peace be with you..

And then there is this:



But only NOW is time to call out those using "war" as a result of what happened to Kirk. Where was everyone earlier calling out those on who ROUTINELY use terms like this???

You are replying to people on here, Ballpeen, who are not serious participants in this conversation. You can surely waste your time engaging. I will not.

I really don’t know what it was I did to you, initially. Whatever it was, I must have really hurt your feelings, I suppose. If I did, I apologize. I get passionate with people in here from time to time, especially when it’s a topic that personally affects me. Like I said earlier, though, at the end of the day, I’m pulling for all of you.

I thought my conversations in this thread were productive and appreciated, but oh well.

For the record, I’ve always thought Crockett was an imbecile.

I posted that my initial hesitancy in sharing that montage was that it would turn into, well…this.

It's a very sad day for both families. Kirks and the Alleged shooters. Had to be tough for that Father to hold his son until the police got there. (if that's actually what happened...)

You are right. You can't have a discussion in here. I now limit my replies to people who I mostly like and feel they are somewhat balanced in their comments, such as I feel about Dawglover, but his posting up comments, while ignoring the millions of comments over the last 10 years or so. The big problem is it seems to be systematic with the dems political leaders.

Sometimes someone says something so outlandish I can't let it go unchecked.

I hear calls for unity. That sounds great but as it stands, I have no reason to want to unite with those people. They are on the wrong side of nearly every issue. I refuse to unite with that.

And the beat goes on.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ac...g-awaits-formal-charges-utah-2025-09-13/

RIGHT, LEFT OR CRAZY?

"It's an eclectic ideological movement marked by video game memes, anti-gay, Nick Fuentes white supremacy, irony," she said. "It certainly leans right, but it is quite eclectic.""In a way, the ideological beliefs of the shooter don't matter," she said. "What matters is how they're taken by society. And if our society chooses to keep pointing fingers, whether the person turns out to be right, left or just unstable, then the violence will grow from the pointing of fingers, regardless of the act itself."

Kleinfeld said most perpetrators of political violence were not clearly on one ideological side or another, but typically driven by "a hodgepodge of conspiracy beliefs and mental illness."
"So it wouldn't be surprising at all if this person was a person of the far right, if this person was a person who held a variety of different beliefs and was sort of unclassifiable," she added.

Kirk's murder comes amid the most sustained period of U.S. political violence in decades. Reuters has documented more than 300 cases of politically motivated violent acts across the ideological spectrum since Trump supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021.
Trump himself has survived two attempts on his life, one that left him with a grazed ear during a campaign event in July 2024 and another two months later foiled by federal agents.
Democrats have fallen victim, too. In April, an arsonist broke into Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro's residence and set it on fire while the family was inside.

Earlier this year, a gunman posing as a police officer in Minnesota murdered Democratic state lawmaker Melissa Hortman and her husband and shot Democratic state Senator John Hoffman and his wife.

In her first public comments since her spouse was slain, Erika Kirk vowed in a tearful but defiant video message on Friday evening that "the movement built by my husband will not die" but grow stronger.

Speaking from the studio of his radio-podcast show, she urged young people to join Turning Point, exalting her husband as a fallen political hero who "now and for all eternity will stand at his savior's side wearing the glorious crown of a martyr."

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I only posted a part of the article, mainly because there are growing mentions of Nick Fuentes and the “Groypers.” I don’t know much about Nick other than I don’t like him and what he stands for. I think he also may have had some recent spats with Kirk. That all being said, I’m not sure how those lines to him are being drawn just because of anti-gay inscriptions on the casings? Maybe some who knows more about it can chime in.

When have I ignored millions of comments? I don’t think I have ever done that.

What I did do was post reactionary messaging a montage of very powerful people in the wake of an actual murder. The most powerful man in the world and the - until a week ago - richest man in the world, both social media company owners, were included. Messaging that appears to have been incorrectly aimed.

I have always been pretty clear in my disdain for idiots across the political spectrum, I’ve come down on people who utilize the Hitler/fascist/Nazi metaphors among other things.

You know what, as I’m typing this I’m realizing that I’m the fool here. You guys can have this board.

I give up.

He only got his job because he is black worries me.

Yeah, pretty much.

My point was that political violence can rip this country apart. And It’s the platform Trump is on. It’s war against the democrats, people of color, immigration and brown people. He supports violence against the left. (Jan 6th fascist right wing attack on the capitol. Nancy’s husband.) And pretty much ignores attacks on democrats by right wing fascists. What did you expect would happen? Read my sig line. It says it all.

Trump is the only person that is perpetuating the violence and he’s the only one that can stop it. Don’t be pointing your fingers at others.

Trying to compare that with "going to war" with your political opponents is ridiculous. Just stop already.

People on both sides say stupid things. Acting like it's one side not the other - or more from one side than the other is foolish. Maybe you two can lead by example and instead of using any opportunity to lob stones and barbs at each other - find a way to be civil and have a regular conversation without leaping to see the worst in what's said or written.

Memphis has once again spammed comments from his echo chamber - comments from Biden and others saying divisive things. They aren't any worse than the constant rhetoric out of Trump and Bannon and others - but the common theme is that the hate they inflame and stir up is wrong. Whether it's mocking invalids, telling crowds to beat the crap out of a protester or insiting them to march on the capital building - Trump is as much to blame for any and all of the division as anyone. Ignoring that and posters trying to paint this as a one sided thing is wholly incorrect and shows a complete blindness to reality. Paying attention to the loud fringes and the extremists and painting them as typical of the whole is a continuing theme and is again simply wrong. Both sides do it and both sides that do it are wrong to do so. Letting yourself pay attention to those trying to do that is also wrong.

An interesting juxta position. Democratic State Rep. Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark were killed and there's not much noise about that from Trump and his supporters - indeed some Republicans immediately peddled false misinforation conspiracy theories. The news event is seemingly quickly forgotten ..... Kirk is shot and we have flags at half mast = and Republicans and Trump are outraged and want to go to war. Maybe people should reflect on that before spamming more nonsense from random twitter and FB accounts.

Most every politician is calling for unity and calm. Except one trump. He instead seems more interested in blame, division and hate than unity, common ground and mowing forward to a better place. He can help, he is choosing not to.

The point is there is a loud cry for war against liberals right here and right now. It's not a few voices. It's by influencers and people with huge followings. Never have I seen such a wide spread call for violence against political opponents. It's not comparable to anything else. I can't think of a single person who has wished death and actual war against Republicans on this board. So no, someone trying to equate the two is a non starter.

I have stated that this is a problem from both sides. I've stated that each side has its extremists and their actions are both just as wrong. That there's no use for political violence of any kind. But then I wasn't in favor of pardoning so many that committed such political violence. That was a precedent setting event of great magnitude no matter how many seem willing to minimize it.


I'm not sure you're saying anything differently than I have. More eloguently maybe, but not different. BTW- What in my response would you consider a "barb"? "Just stop already"?

That seems like a rather low bar.

This is the left trying to unite people.

"Is all da same!"

What has trump done to help the problem?

"I'll tell you something that's going to get me in trouble, but I couldn't care less. The radicals on the right oftentimes are radical because they don't want to see crime. They don't want to see crime. Worried about the border. They're saying, We don't want these people coming in. We don't want you burning our shopping centers. We don't want you shooting our people in the middle of the street," Trump said.

"The radicals on the left are the problem," Trump continued, "and they're vicious and they're horrible and they're politically savvy, although they want men and women sports, they want transgender for everyone, they want open borders."

"We have a radical left group of lunatics out there, just absolute lunatics, and we're going to get that problem solved," Trump said again on Thursday. - Donald Trump

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tru...-left-after-vow-after/story?id=125509965

Help what problem? Help stop people from calling him a dictator, a fascist, a threat to democracy? Help stop the previous president from calling him Joseph Goebbels? Stop the previous administration and the loudest voices of the party from calling him a Nazi propagandist over and over and over again. Stop people from calling for violence against him?

Literally, prominent politicians calling from him to be "stopped". Biden saying there needs to be a bullseye on him? Did anybody try to stop that? You ALL said it didn't matter. Saying he needs to be "hit and hit hard"? Nobody tried to stop that kind of language.

Stop millions of people from screaming "FASCIST" at him and everyone who supports him, from sunup to sundown, when a scant 2% of those people even knows what the term means? Help stop people like yourself stop spreading vile rhetoric grounded in absolute b*llshit?

He couldn't stop the previous leader from saying, and I quote: "Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic. ... They advocate for authoritarian leaders. They have stoked the fires of political violence. They reject the rule of law. They pose a clear and present danger to American democracy." That's the depiction of over half of the country... and that's acceptable to you?


But we know the answer. It's not only acceptable, you revel in it, you encourage it. You spread it at every twist and turn, and still continue, and then act as if you have no bearing on the divide and the hatred.

The same people using sob stories like you are now, moments after his assassination attempt #1, to "cool the rhetoric"... and then returning to call him Hitler less than 24 hours later.


"Trump could do something to stop this"... stop what? Stop what? Grieving? Vigils? You can't expect him to stop other people's language when you and the politicians, whose rhetoric you ignore, have made a career of igniting vile language and actions.

What would you like help with right now? You want him to do something to stop the violent protests, looting and burning cities? Oh, wait, none of that is going on, only praying and vigils... in at least 17 nations, last night alone. That needs to stop?


But we know what you want, don't we? Absolute insolation from any repercussions for your rhetoric, and all rhetorics being spread on the left. You want people to be gullible enough to think it doesn't matter and end around to blaming Trump. You've been doing it with every political discussion under the sun for nearly ten years now.

You want to continue to pass predictions of how terrible the future will be as fact while ignoring all fact of how we got here. It would be effective and convenient if the nation was a group of slow-learning toddlers -- we're not. And any evidence you need to see of that is right in front of your eyes when:

Cheating
Impeachment
Lawfare
Taking his money
Turning a dead misdemeanor into 34 felonies
...and then bullets

resulted in the biggest LANDSLIDE since Reagan.


WAKE UP. You're only doing more damage to a party that is literally starting to circle the drain.

100% proof that delusions are real. Day after day, week after week, month after month all of the things trump has been doing has been being posted here. You have ignored it in its entirety and now wish to play dumb. If it weren't so amusing it would be disgusting.

Hmmm, it appears that Tyler had a lover....