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Once again you are using what you "think and feel" Vrabel might have decided rather than providing any factual information. You have no idea if Vrabel would have agreed to be the HC of the Browns because you have no way to know if he was ever offered the job. Pure conjecture is not a good case to build an argument on.

Since now it seems you have decided to focus on the real problem here, the roster, maybe you should stop railing against Stefanski? It seems you agree that even Vrabel would have failed and refused to take the job with the roster Berry has assembled. It seems you want to have it both ways.

No excuse I posted a fact, your starting with your fairy tales again.

So you are asking a question which you have no answer to. The fact of the matter is a HC doesn't have any control or decisions in regards to the salary cap. He plays no part in how much can be afforded to be paid to FA's. So while he can request the "type of player" he would like at each position he can not dictate which players the FO and owner deems they can afford to sign.

And you aren't the only one who tries to claim he determines which players are drafted. I think by somewhat of your own admission you know better. You have focused for some time on the analytic department and I won't say I disagree with you in that regard, Stefanski plays no part in the analytics department. As you yourself have stated many times that Depo's baby. So a logical conclusion is that there would be no reason to have an analytics department or a scouting department if your HC was going the be the one making your draft picks.

Then there is the scouting department. Stefanski also plays no part in running or overseeing the scouting department.


What I've noticed is you openly admit that it's the lack of talent on the roster as you attempt to lump everyone into one big group as being responsible for the players on the roster while there is zero evidence that the HC plays a significant role in that.


Only by looking back and using a little basic math can you determine what necessary changes need to be made. In case you missed it, in the corporate world they determine where the problem lies when changing personnel. They don't just fire an entire department by saying, "No need to figure out which part of the department is the problem. We'll just fore them all." A one size fits all approach isn't a logical path forward.

But don't worry. I agree I wouldn't be upset if Berry was gone. And as Berry goes so does Stefnaski. So you'll probably get your wish.

Unfortunately, the change that needs to happen is that the ownership group needs to stop meddling with QB decisions. Even more unfortunately, when they did with Watson, we're still stuck with the fallout however many years later. Most unfortunately, no one has the power to change the fact that the football gods hate the Browns.

See Baker's shoulder, Watson's achilles and psyche, Chubb's knee, Conklin's head, shoulders, knees, and toes... Dawand Jones' knee getting illegally torpedoed. Our WRs getting kill shot/concussed. I could go on for awhile.

The Browns aren't allowed to have nice things.

Judging from their time with the Browns it’s perfectly valid to argue that this’s a questionable argument.
Give me some examples where you think they have “learned and improved” from past mistakes and have you any known evidence that they’re “self critical and open minded”?

100%!

Yo! StripperDude... Slide Rule Steve and Flo-queen here to start your weekly roundtable!

Are you satisfied with our results the last two seasons?

I want the Browns to win, to make rational decisions, the behave like a normal NFL organization. Nothing more nothing less.
Is that too much to ask?

Starting Dillon Gabriel without receivers and a soft o-line is that kind of decision making that makes anyone question this leadership.
Yes, he’s too short and clearly not NFL ready but that’s doesn’t change the bad planning and it has lead to this awful situation.

This young man never gets a fair chance. By design.


What do you want me to say?

So they purposely drafted him to sabotage his career.

Solid take.

LOL

Is that a serious answer? Honestly.

It’s the culmination of seasons of bad roster building.
Who put together the offense? Who sign and draft the oline and the receivers?
Who put Dillon on the field?
Who sideline Flacco?
Who mishandle our quarterback situation?
Who makes the play calls? Dillon Gabriel is in an impossible position, that failure must be own by the leadership.

I can go on and on and on. If you don’t’ see It we live on different planets.

My take isn’t unreasonable or weird. It’s the conclusion what most rational supporters end up with.
Quincy’s take on Stefanski

Your take is I'm going to hold my breath and cry if they don't do what I want.