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I am replying to Bone's post from last thread.



I want to add to this Bone. The draft is the main focus, which is understandable. The Berry/scouting dept also should be credited for identifying UDFAs that fit their system once the draft is concluded.

Examples:
Bond - as you stated above
Adin Huntington has shown some flashes as DT and plays regularly on ST and as an extra blocker
Gage Larvadain has been getting reps on offense and on ST
Donovan McMillon has contributed on ST

The same from previous drafts just not as strong:
Ronnie Hickman has been grown tremendously and has been a solid starter for the defense
Mohamoud Diabate has started a few games and a decent depth piece

I agree Bone. Stay the course with AB and KS. I think it would be a disaster to change either or both of them now. With another good draft and FA period we could compete for our division next year. Heck, if we won the 2-3 games we should have this year we'd be competing for the division now. The North isn't as strong as it once was which gives us a legit shot next year. Good conversation on this topic from my fellow posters!!!

There was a post on the Browns News 5.0 questioning Sanders accuracy when his stat lines were 11-20 and said that does not look like good accuracy. Accuracy is not measured by that metric 11-20 is completion % Sander's completion percentage was 55% for that game. Accuracy is a ball placement stat. Was the ball placed accurately per throw. On his 11 incompletions how, many passes were throwing the ball away. Balls being thrown away counts against a QB in completion percentage but not in accuracy.

Were his passes thrown accurate tells the story of his accuracy. Did he throw behind a receiver? did he have overthrown? Under thrown? Too far out in front? That is accuracy ball placement basically. Did he throw away a pass that he had someone open and missed the receiver is a completion percentage hit.

Something to consider when considering both accuracy and completion percentage is 1) correct read and 2) distance of throw. Sander's average 10.1 yards per throw and 20.1 yards per completion is the best the Browns have averaged all season in any game so far.

I am curious to see if he can improve on his pre and post snap reads and how quickly he can get the ball out to the correct read. When blitzed can he hit the hot route and make that read quickly. Looking mostly at his processing ability Sunday and when he plays going forward. Against the Raiders you can see he was focused on throwing the ball away and living to play another down. That is easier to do when you're up 14-3 and your defense is dominating than it is when your down 20-14 late in the 3rd quarter. When that happens, I want to see how he responds. Does he fall back into bad habits or continue to be disciplined.

If you can give a QB credit for a 66 yard TD in his passing stats for throwing the ball two yards up field you can use his completion percentage as a measure of accuracy. It's the exact same standard used to gauge the accuracy of every QB in the NFL.

Is it the perfect formula? No. But then again neither is giving a QB credit for 64 yards the receiver earned on a TD.

All QB's have to throw balls away to avoid sacks. That's a given.

Yes, they have to throw balls away and that hurts their completion percentage stat. Any time a QB throws a ball it is a completion. and incompletion, or Interception. The throw away balls don't hurt their accuracy, but it does hurt their completion percentage. Yes, receivers' yards after the catch can really help their yards per pass per completion percentage.

If you saw what you thought you saw then why did he barely complete over 50% of his passes? Did you not see his off passes? Did you not see him throw directly into double coverage? Look, I'm not trying to diss on the kid but his performance overall really wasn't that good.

If every college QB performed as well as they did in college every NFL team would have multiple franchise QB's on their rosters.

Even his W/L record in college wasn't that great.

I have been of the same train of thought. We all make mistakes / have failures. The important thing is taking those experiences and making a better informed decisions. The same applies to Kevin. I have said this the first couple years, I see what they are trying to do. A big portion of the time, I see the action they made and think: I get it, I see what they were trying to accomplish whether it either worked or it failed. That is a big reason why I am fine with patience with them.



To add: and maybe his staff has become more experienced too? I don't know the answer to that, just throwing it out there. I remember reading something awhile back saying the process has become better the last couple years with Catherine Hickman joining the front office in 2022.

Home, adding to your comment about another good draft/FA.

And our young players hopefully improving too.

As for the offense, the rookies have done some good to great things. However, with inexperience there are growing pains and learning on the job. Here are some things I've seen from our rookies (from watching video) that has added to issues to the offense stalling at time.

We have seen the good stuff, just adding to areas where their improvement will help in the future.

Gabriel/Sanders - No reason to speak on them, they've been spoken enough on here about their positives/negatives.

Quinshon - I haven't seen many major holes, just needs to clean up his pass blocking.

Dylan Sampson - Pass blocking, it's usually pretty normal for a RB to have a rough time their first year in pass blocking. Usually the main reason, they don't get a lot of snaps unless they are the #1 back. Pass blocking is one of the reasons we saw Ford more at the beginning of the year and now you are seeing less and less of him.

Harold Fannin - Dude has been pretty great in pass catching and his ability to get those extra yards. He's had a few solid blocks. However, there have been plenty of plays where he has been lost in lining up and being directed where to position, he's had a few plays every game where he seems to not know his assignment in blocking, and overall unconfident in blocking. What I mean is instead of going full speed into his blocking, he is very hesitant in engaging and the defender controls the engagement instead of Fannin directing him in his block. It's been rough watching him in blocking, however I understand patience. It took Njoku a couple years to become a solid blocker.

Isaiah Bond - route running and understanding the nuance of the position. Dude has been open quite a few times for some big plays with the QB missing it. However, timing, spacing, and I think running the wrong route(s) was rough through the games he's played. Just another thing that should improve with more games and experience.

Overall, I really love seeing the talent (the positional player) showing at times with each of these players. I am looking forward to seeing them grow and improve in their techniques required from their positions.

I agree with your post Scott. We have some good young players on O. Our WR group can use a top end player and another solid guy. We obviously need much better QB play. Whether SS is the answer or not remains to be seen. If we had a top 5 O-Line, our QB play and our O output would be better even with the guys we have. We really need upgrades there especially the OT positions. If we keep Pocic and Teller and draft some good tackles I think we'll be okay heading into next season. Wypler and Zinter may be good enough and Jones if healthy isn't bad. If we had 2 really good OT's this year, we'd be much better. I don't think we're that far off if we can have another draft and FA signings like this past year. AB has made some good picks and signings. He needs to do it again. In addition, I think keeping Pocic and Teller around would help new and young starters on the O-line. Vet experience.