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I would put Schwesinger in with him. This rookie who only started his senior year of college and was a walk on, has worked too hard to get here and I see complete effort on his part. Regardless of the record, this guy doesn't quit. That tells me a lot about the man.

That ball should have never been thrown into blanket coverage like that. As you would say, "the end".

Yep. That's fair. He shouldn't be grouped like that with the others.

No wonder Gabriel is your perfect QB. Only throw 2-to-3-yard passes. Never throw into danger but never challenge a defense. That pass was a very good pass. He made many mistakes on Sunday that pass was not one of them. Should have been a touchdown.

I would've chuckled if Sanders had gone up to Jeudy on the sidelines and started yelling and gesturing at him. Alligator arms.

But that's the problem that someone can't understand. A ball that hit's a receiver in the chest is the fault of the receiver. Had Jerry done what even h.s. receivers do and are taught - catch with your hands - it's a td. Probably wouldn't have changed a L into a W, but still.

Jerry catches with his body way too much. Maybe that's why he leads the league (I believe) in drops.

Using the same tactics you use in another forum? To claim I ever stated that Gabriele is "my perfect QB" is an outright lie. Both of these guys are rookies and both makes their share of mistakes. Of course you should challenge a defense by stretching the field. But you don't throw the ball to Jeudy who is covered like a glove. He isn't a Ja'Marr Chase or Justin Jefferson. In the grand scheme of things he's nothing more than an above average #2 NFL WR. There's a huge difference between a gamble and a sucker bet.

It's amazing how people will on one hand claim Jeudy is unreliable and drops a lot of balls. Then on the other hand justify Sanders throwing the ball into tight coverage to a WR who is unreliable and drops a lot of balls. They really need to pick a story and stick to it. They seem to want to have it both ways. At least you are in this case.


If he had been throwing the ball to Ja'Marr Chase the odds are it would have been. Jeudy isn't Ja'Marr Chase. We all know it and so should Sanders. Let me ask you something. Knowing what you do about Jeudy, how much would you count on him to out muscle an NFL defender in a physical battle for the ball? When a QB throws th ball he has to understand the circumstances.

There was no out muscling the defender on that play. The defender closed late after the ball hit him in the chest between his arms. The defender never made contact with Jeudy until the ball was already dropped and just fell into his arms. If Jeudy is not there the defender does not catch that ball it would have fallen to the ground. Jeudy not catching the ball is the only reason the defender was even able to make a play on the ball. It was a back shoulder throw executed by the pass but not the catch. It is designed to beat man covered which it did until the catch was not executed.

Sanders has shown the ability in 4 starts to beat man coverage with his arm talent. There is starting to be a book on Sanders right now and that is zone coverage from a zone blitz. Defenders falling back in coverage has been his issue with 3 of his 6 INTs in 4 and 1/2 games coming from a zone blitz scheme. Also, secondaries playing zone has caused him issues because he holds the ball trying for the big play instead of taken what is open and moving on to the next play. That was the biggest issue with early Baker's game here with the Browns also. Can he learn to execute vs those defenses? We shall see. So far, he has shown the ability to learn and fix some bad habits he brought with him from college. So, he is coachable. Most encouraging sign is Alex Wright, and other players have said repeatably that when they arrive every day to the facility Sanders is always in Stefanski's office going over film with Stefanski.

From things I have heard and opinions I trust in Cleveland like Quincy Carrier and the Ultimate Cleveland Browns Sports Show if Stefanski comes back Sanders has a better chance to return as QB. If Stefanski is fired it will not be good for Sanders.

Sanders has had one good game. He has certainly in no way shown the ability to gamble on him being the starting QB for the Browns moving forward. This fantasy some are convincing themselves of is amazing. The coverage was there. Jeudy is not a WR he could count on in that situation. There is no denying that except for those without love for all things Sanders as your post obviously shows.

Not at DT, it's not!

I guarantee if every player on the Browns, every player in the NFL, every media-mouth and every single poster on DT agreed that the INT was on Jeudy, there would be one person that still argued till the cows come home.

This is not only a perfect pass, but also a pass you want your QB to be confident enough to throw. And it doesn't even take much confidence because there is usually close to zero risk (even in "blanket coverage" lol).

That's the whole purpose of a back shoulder throw - to take advantage of tight coverage. The defender has too much momentum to react, turn his body around and make a play. It's nearly impossible. I'd say half of the time it doesn't work it's because the pass hit the defender smack-dab in the back of the helmet.

Absolute dime by Sanders that Jeudy hands off to the defender. Watch it - it's actually a near perfect fake handoff - right in the bread-basket! 🤣

The video plainly shows that there was hand fighting over the ball and the defenders arm was in the middle of the catch and in the face of Jeudy's the very second the ball hit Jeudy's hands.

Sorry it does not. The ball hit him in the chest before the defender makes contact with Jeudy.

Nope. His hand is in Jeudy's armpit, behind the ball. He doesn't touch the ball until it bounces of Jeudy's chest.

I think your eyeballs are seeing things your fingers want them to so they can get their daily workout.

Exactly Fate! I even broke down the basics of what the Safety and the CB were doing. The reason why not to throw the ball over the top and why a back shoulder throw was the correct read and excellent placement.



He had a rough day, but that rep and a couple others were excellent

Your personal attacks don't belong in this forum. Even someone like you should be bake to understand that. Put that kind of stuff in the forum you abandoned for obvious reasons.

His hands are in Jeudy's face and between Jeudy's arms upon the ball making contact. If your contention is that Jeudy didn't firmly have a grasp on the ball upon contact you would be correct. But the coverage played a huge part in that.

The back shoulder throw would apply if the defender was behind him. The defender came in from the side which greatly neglects the effect of the back shoulder throw. I'm sure you understand the difference.

I thought it was blanket coverage? Make up our minds.

That's no more a personal attack than the 93% of your comments that are 100% smart-azzed. Don't be a pansy, you called someone a coward in "these parts" last week and they didn't even say anything to you.

So you can't be there when the ball arrives from the side? Face it, Sanders never saw that defender or underestimated the closing speed in the NFL. Your minds area already made up. You can't see the defenders arm in Jeudy'd face between Jeudy's arms while breaking up the pass play. By the time the ball got there he had Jeudy covered like a blanket. Sanders never saw that coming.

You're smoking something, bro, and you should just lay down the pipe. The dude coming from the side has absolutely no impact on the play and is not the defender that INTs the ball. Quit having your cat advise you on film study. The defender is stride-for-stride from the LOS and Sanders sees that clear as day.

That's.
Why.
He.
Throws... the back-shoulder pass.

This could not be any easier and could not be any clearer, yet you're still arguing. It's football 101.


What's next? All this footage a deep-fake? GTHOH

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There was no hand fighting. The ball hit Jerry in the chest before he even tried to get a hand on it. Perfect throw, terrible attempt at a catch. Any receiver worth his salt would've gotten his HANDS on the ball, not let it come to his chest.

There was no hand fighting. The ball hit Jerry in the chest before he even tried to get a hand on it. Perfect throw, terrible attempt at a catch. Any receiver worth his salt would've gotten his HANDS on the ball, not let it come to his chest.
Keep in mind who you replied to.

Defender placed his hand on Jeudy's chest so softly it wouldn't wake a sleeping baby. "Hand fighting!!"

j/c:

You all have to stop wasting your time arguing with someone who just wants to troll and pick a fight. Place him on ignore and move on....your experience here will be far greater.

"I guarantee it."

So your assertion is then that a "back shoulder throw" that hit him in the front because Jeudy had to turn around to have a chance at catching the ball and that was a perfect pass? You do realize that to be s back shoulder throw the pass has to be accurate enough to actually come over your shoulder, right?

A back shoulder pass thrown correctly comes over your shoulder. It doesn't come up short to where the WR has to turn around to have a chance at catching it giving the defender every opportunity to interfere with the play as he did in this case.

And you claim I'm the one smoking something? Sure, yeah, that's the ticket.

This was a "I had to turn around to catch the ball" throw. Also known as a little short.

An over the shoulder pass doesn't require the WR to have to turn around to have any chance at catching the ball. Nothing about that is "the perfect throw". I knew at some point you would be coming here to join the gang but anyone thinking that a WR having to turn around and stop his momentum to have a shot at catching the ball which allows the defender to interfere with the catch is
"a perfect throw" has more agenda than they do facts to back up that assertion.

I don't blame you at this point. There is a reason for that.

Someone help before I pee.

Did Jeudy have to turn around to have a shot of catching the ball or not on what these posters are calling an "over the shoulder pass"? Yes or no? Are you running an anti Pit campaign? Get all of your troops in line.

Jeudy biffed it again. Both Kugler and Johnston put the blame where it correctly lie during the broadcast, on Jeudy. Even Dracula commented that this was on Jeudy. It's not really a debate to anyone who is being serious.

Sheduer made three really nice throws during the game. This was one of them.

I had no idea you had entered the "Depends" portion of your life. Good luck with that. But now you have delved into the meme part of your show since you no longer have words to justify your BS. Typical.

Do you have ANY idea what a back should pass is? Never mind, you don't, it is obvious. It is also obvious that you can't stand being proven wrong, and you'll stop at nothing to change the narrative. Move along, or risk looking more ignorant.

The one that came up a little short to the point that Jeudy had to turn around to have a shot at catching it? That throw?

A back shoulder throw is a throw that comes over the WR's shoulder or is placed on the side of the shoulder the furthest from the defender. This was neither one of those. Try again. You're a fine one to speak about looking ignorant with your track record. Don't start throwing trash in my direction. You know how that always ends.

Nobody, ever, anywhere, called this an "over-the-shoulder" pass except you. Full stop. We (as in everybody in the football universe) called it a back shoulder pass. It's been called that six times on this page, by three different posters... including YOU. Now you're changing it to an "over-the-shoulder" pass.



THAT IS A BACK SHOULDER PASS -- THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED. You just typed the definition. Is this your first day footballing???

Hey Google, help out the helpless... what is a back shoulder throw?


A back shoulder throw in the NFL is a precise pass where the quarterback throws the ball to the outside shoulder (or back of the head/helmet) of a receiver running a deep route, forcing the receiver to turn back for the ball, away from the defender. It's often used on fade routes, to beat tight coverage by putting the ball where only the receiver can get it, creating a jump ball situation against a defender who is trailing or in position.

It always ends with you looking stupid, and trying to get the last word.

Pit as a child...

To be fair, he and the rest of us have been watching Browns Qb’s for 20+ years. If a Browns QB does it, it can be quite confusing on what we actually saw. Since we do not expect it to be in their repertoire.

Turning around is not turning back. Since it was you who said Sanders saw the coverage, how is it the defender was in position to get his arm between Jeudy and the ball? It was certainly not thrown "away from the defender".

Is this your first day at footballing?