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At least I outgrew it. That obviously can't be said for you. You keep trying to make a point that doesn't exist.

Now that's a fair point. When 90% of the Browns QBs are off target 70% of the time, it is hard to wrap your mind around one being "off target" on purpose in order to throw a great pass. Hell, we waited since Kosar to finally see Baker throw a proper screen pass.

Hey, at least I only look stupid. I'm not the one who ends up being stupid. You'll need a mirror for that. I'll add a mirror to your Christmas list. Anything else arch?

Listen, Pit, honey... I made my point. I know what a back shoulder pass is, you don't. I know a good one when I see one, you're still off looking for the Zapruder film to make a point that doesn't exist.

"Back and to the right... Back and to the right."

Now that certainly throws an entire new wrinkle into things.

Can you "over-the-shoulder" it to him so he doesn't have to turn around and see your mug?

I wrinkle beats the heck out of a needle in a haystack -- you've been on your hands and knees looking for that for two hours now.

I'm sorry to inform you that I don't roll that way. Not that there's anything wrong with that.


And the part of your point you seemingly wish to ignore now is the entire "away from the defender" part. That certainly in no way applies here.


But keep pretending it does.

I already told you that I don't roll that way. But I certainly had no idea it would be that hard to find.

So can you tell me how this pass was thrown "away from the defender"? Don't worry I'll wait.

I had no idea you were arch!? That helps explain a lot. So how was that pass thrown "away from the defender" again?

And to have a shot at the ball Jeudy had to turn right into that coverage. It was thrown right where the defender had the best shot at defending that pass. That's how the defenders arm got right in the middle of it. It was certainly thrown towards where the defender was which is the exact opposite of away from it.

Look at that. I ran that dawg til he got called for supper.

Ok. I amend my earlier comment.....everyone else BUT Fate should put Pit on ignore. These written back-hands are too good.

That's because you refuse to read the replies.

It's nice to know that I occupy enough of your brain to give me this much attention. And it's all rent free.

Aw. Since you can't explain how Sanders threw the ball "away from the defender" you think you accomplished something. You didn't run this dawg anywhere. Instead you have been chasing your own tail dodging how what that video of the play did not match up to your own definition of what it was supposed to show. At what point do you explain that if you ever do?

Oh, crap, Uncrustables were on the menu tonight...

Yes, once again you have shown a video which shows Jeudy had to turn directly into the coverage to try and catch that ball instead of away from it like your definition claimed it should have. How long do you plan to continue to do that?

The defender never even turned around.

If Jerry catches the ball with his hands, instead of his chest, it's a touch down. Period.

Aaron Rogers made a career out of that exact same pass.

It's not an over the shoulder throw. It's a bad throw because you never put the ball between a defender's momentum/forward direction and the receiver. You always want your receiver between the ball and the defender whenever possible. This ball is catchable for a better WR but it's still a bad throw because it doesn't follow basic ball placement rules. In the end, the defender just made a hell of a play on the ball. Sanders still has plenty of room to grow so I don't feel like throwing him under a bus yet. Still this game was bad enough it wipes out his very good game last week. It's the rule of statistics. Take out the best and worst sample size in making your judgements on the numbers. They funny thing is that if you do that you get the same numbers as Dillon. The difference is that Sanders can get the ball down the field so imho Sanders is a much better QB.

The real question that has to be answered in the next three games is can Sanders speed up his game enough to not draft a QB in the first round. ATM that answer is NO. He is still too darn slow in making his decisions. It will most likely take 2 to 3 seasons of starting to improve that but I don't know of any situation where that is likely to happen unless Kevin keeps his job and i don't think Kevin is likely to keep his job because the Browns need a scapegoat. I mean it has to be Kevin's fault that there is zero talent on offense to work with since not having a single first round pick playing on offense is a sure fire recipe for success...

No argument here.

It depends on how far up we would need to move. If we have to move up from #4 in the draft, at least according to the value chart I pulled up, it will cost more than the value of the pick we have from Jacksonville. We will have to add our 2nd rounder and get a 4th or so back from Tn to make the numbers somewhat equal.

If the Jets want the first QB off the board, they can get him. They have a boatload of picks.

You'll have to explain this value chart or throw me a link. I have no idea what it would cost to move up to #1 from #4, but it already seems too steep for the wildcard QBs I see in the '26 draft.

I'll roll the dice, but I'm not paying much tax to do it. If another 1st round (22ish) won't do it, no way in hell.

Furthermore, two of these top four teams will not need QB's, the other two would be pawns in a bidding war. No thanks. If those are the rings I would have to jump through for Mendoza (I don't say that to diminish the quality of other QBs, we just all know that he would be the only QB to create an asinine bidding war), I'll pass the baton to the J-E-T-S after the first bid.


If there is some scenario where I'm required to pay an @zzhole tax for the privilege of a wildcard, I'll ride with Plan B.

I trade Myles Garrett for two #1s and walk into the 2027 draft locked and loaded.


I'm not talking about what FATE, the fan would do.

I'm talking about what Jimmy Haslam III, gunslinger, will do.

I haven't played the game at a high enough level to say with certainty - but my idea of an over the shouler throw is the ball going to the outside shoulder, down the sidelines away from the defender.

So I don't think it's a perfect throw but I do think - given the game, situation and 'gunslinging' mentality we were in at the time it was a really good throw and an accurate throw that hit the WR in the chest. Jeudy should have caught the ball. Period. As a #1 WR or a ~4 WR - that all should have been caught.

I think the throw was good enough but looked to be double coverage.

I think it was mostly a great play by the defender and not so much the fault of Judey.

If this play was a free throw in basketball, Jeudy would've been the backboard.

Of all the things this board could be arguing about... a bomb to our alleged #1 WR clanging off his chest and into the lap of a DB who didn't even see it until it bounced back his direction is... something.

Yes, even by Fates own definition, the ball was not thrown away from the defender. It was thrown on the same side as the defender. It was thrown to the inside and not the outside giving the defender the perfect opportunity to defend against the pass and he did. That's not a "perfect pass".



And that's where I'm at.

Over the opposite shoulder. Rogers threw it away from the defender not on the same side as the defender. It would have been delivered over the outside shoulder not the inside shoulder towards the defender.

Much better than actually being stupid. Pay attention next time.

You are correct. The ball should go over the shoulder that is away from the defender and is usually the shoulder that is on the outside edge. It's ok for the WR to turn their shoulders a little bit but there shouldn't be a big turn of the waist to reach back for it because that makes it VERY hard to catch since the WRs momentum works against his movement to catch the ball and as you saw Jeudy fell down going for it because of how it was placed against his momentum.

Jeudy should have probably caught that but he is a pretty small WR and will most likely not win a lot of contested catches so you have to figure out how to get it to him clean. I don't want to be too hard on Sanders here. He was in the process of getting pounded to the ground and was trying hard to make a play. I don't even feel bad that he tried to make the throw. It's still a bad pass and to the wrong side of the WR. I don't hold it against the WR or the QB because that is a hard ball to catch in very cold weather where most WRs are catching with their body because when it's that cold your fingers are numb and that ball hits like a ROCK instead of a football. I don't hold it against Sander because he is a rookie and only by playing with someone other than his dad will he learn new things and why he should do them.

Either way Sheduer has 3 more games to show that his best game wasn't just a fluke against a VERY bad team. I honestly hope we don't draft a QB this year because it won't help the team much. We don't even have enough draft picks to replace our offensive line much less add an elite WR or two. We don't really have the cap space to sign good players either. Next year is going to be rough no matter what offensively. It doesn't matter if we get a new GM or HC for 2026 because it's not going to fill our roster with enough talent either way.

You described the play and the situation perfectly.

The only caveat' we have with that is how a player practices has nothing to do with playing in a game. In practice nobody can hit the QB and people aren't hitting in real time to avoid injuries. The only way you can judge a player is how he plays in real games.

lol, he’s not a contortionist.

I saw the play, watched the replay a few times. It went through Jeudy’s arms, banged off his chest and was intercepted. Good WRs would say they have to catch that ball. Hell, I’d say that in a backyard game.

What a terrible throw!!! Hit the WR right in his jersey #3!!! The fact an NFL QB throw a pass to an NFL WR and that pass hit that WR in stride right in his jersey number and we have people saying it was a bad pass shows a real lack of knowledge or a huge level of bias. 100 out of 100 WR's would say that pass should be caught by the WR. If the ball hits you in your jersey number, it should be caught. I am a Cleveland Browns fan and see things good or bad for the Browns. I think it is childish that we have a segment of fans that don't cheer for the team but cheer for Sanders and another segment of the fan base that cheers against a Browns player because they don't like Sanders. Grow up!!!