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It has been stated DA is the starter. You don't make statements like that, then turn around and offer him less money than what you pay your back-up.
It's also been said that we want BOTH QB'S HERE FOR 2008...
Do that read between the lines thing u love...
BTW...How did Quinn look in his FIRST SIX PASSES?????????...lmao....
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Of course we want both here for 08. We can have DA for 2.5 mil this year which I believe is pretty cheap for a starter.
It's not Quinn's first 6 passes people are concerned about...its his capability as a long term starter vs DA's.
And, apart from Diam, I don't think anyone really knows who is our better bet..
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Pit...here's the bottom line...
We don't have to make the long-term decision on our QB's THIS offseason unless someone signs DA to an offer sheet.
To hell with the 1st and 3rd...that's just an added bonus if DA is signed away from us and we can't match the offer. At least that's what I think Savage's mentality is currently.
Keep in mind next offseason we can always franchise him if we can't sign him...I know that's a LOT more money but if he plays well enough to earn it, then it'll be worth it.
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That is all perspective..... if you delay the action until next year, if you choose to keep him, you are now competing against an open market that doesn't have to give you anything to get him and we don't get right of first refusal (e.g the right to match) any offer he is given.
Wait till next year and we are out of the driver's seat.
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That is all perspective..... if you delay the action until next year, if you choose to keep him, you are now competing against an open market that doesn't have to give you anything to get him and we don't get right of first refusal (e.g the right to match) any offer he is given.
Wait till next year and we are out of the driver's seat.
Franchise tag keeps us in the driver's seat...
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franchise tag on a qb = insane 
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franchise tag on a qb = insane
But we STILL have it available to us...and it'd give us the incentive to get a long-term deal done.
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To hell with the 1st and 3rd...that's just an added bonus if DA is signed away from us and we can't match the offer. At least that's what I think Savage's mentality is currently.
While I don't completely agree with you, (I can't if I still want to lay claim to my sanity  ), I do think there's some merit in what you say.
No one wants to lose a player and get nothing in return. Especially one that put up some big numbers and could be worth some compensation.
But Savage didn't give anything for him and hasn't given him anything since he's been here, *less than half-a-million). So Phil loses nothing if he gets no compensation for DA. And if that is what it takes to have him for another year I think he could still sleep at night knowing he did his "due dilligence" in regards to making sure of the QB situation before he made a decision.
If he can 1st and 3rd tender DA and end up keeping him for one more season then that's a small price to pay to have him here long enough to make a serious evaluation and decision between he and BQ.
If he's a two-year wonder then sign him. If only a one-year wonder then we still have BQ and DA walks scot free. It would be worth it.
All that being said, Phil is not the type to underestimate the value of draft picks. Especially now that the offense has "arrived" and all we need is a few defensive players added.
Who knows? I don't.
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no, you're giving up the driver seat with your backup move being to rely on a tactic that will pretty much tick off the player and his agent, create distractions, cost us no less than $12M in cap space in the event they choose to just play the one year under the tag and then hit free agency... AND, there are scenarios where we could lose the use of the Franchise Tag completely for the duration of whatever contract he does end up signing (although that stipulation may have been modified to a one year loss of the tag).
Either way, we would almost certainly be looking at a hold-out heading into camp. If your answer is "So what, we'll have Quinn", then ask yourself why would you even bother?
The franchise tag should be, and is, a last resort option... it shouldn't actually be looked at as a favorable option. You don't intentionally give up command of a situation in the hopes of using last ditch efforts to later on regain control, especially for no gain... that is beyond fool-hardy, and that is using the kindest terms I can think of.
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Your kind terms make a LOT of sense.
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if I'm making sense, the Apocalypse must be upon us :P
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Well........this news makes things more interesting and it also may hurt the Browns as a team...........but, it is cute to see how excited the Brat Pack got. 
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why is everyone so caught up on the money?
Tons of cap? When? Right now? Yes we do, however, what about the future? In the next few years, we have a lot of expendatures to look at. Re-signing a lot of drafted players. Like BE and KW just to name a couple. We STILL need much help on D. Some of which will be high dollar FA's. You don't build a dynasty by "living in the NOW". You build it with an eye to the future.
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like you said we have 2 choices....tender him or sign him to a long term contract....the cash is the least of it cause we have tons of space...
We also have tons of needs. Short sightedness and a spending spree has killed many teams. Let's put it this way, if you have 30,000,000 in the bank, does that mean you would pay twice as much for an Escalade as you think it's worth? How smart would that be. Or twice as much for a house than your appraiser deemed its value? I would think not.
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if we let other teams offer contracts thru the tender then he's probably gonna walk next year and we lose the chance of getting anything...
If OTHER teams offer him a "tender" that means we get compensation NOW! So you feel we should just give him 50-60 mil. now? Because from what has been reported, that's the kind of money he's looking for. Do you believe he's worth that?
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signing him to a long term contract is just risking a bunch of lerners cash to insure we don't let a good qb slip away....
When a guy ranked 28th in accuracy behind a stellar OL, I think the jury is still out on wheather he's a "good QB". At least one who's "good enough" for the long run and our ultimate goal.
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these owners money away all the time with coaches....why is it such a big deal to just sign da and then trade him if we decide thats the best thing to do later...we save by quinn not meeting incetives and we get to chose between 2 qb's for the best one....
FYI- Coaching staff salary does not count against the cap.But what if we sign DA and Quinn beats him out? Then we pay TONS at the QB position.
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and on top of that it makes da very tradable down the road because we take the majority of the cap hit...
IF DA continues to be our starter, AND be successfulll, you're right. Under any other scenario, he will lose value and we won't possibly be able to get what we could for him now.
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We don't have to make the long-term decision on our QB's THIS offseason unless someone signs DA to an offer sheet.
You are correct sir! But as QB starved as the NFL is, I find that scenario unlikely IMO
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To hell with the 1st and 3rd...that's just an added bonus if DA is signed away from us and we can't match the offer. At least that's what I think Savage's mentality is currently.
I would tend to agree with you with a couple of minor acceptions. I highlighted "can't" because there is a huge difference between "can't and won't". I believe we CAN match any offer. But I believe Phil has shown from his track record, that He pretty much has a set value of players he wants to sign and he "WON'T" overpay.
And secondly, I'm not sure how Phil views DA's value. I don't know that it would take a "true first and third" for him to let another team sign DA. It could be a first and a current player. A high second and a current player.
You see, just how much a team would have to give up to acquire DA is an "unknown" to us. Because if Phil sees BQ as "our future" then DA's value is much less to Phil. If there's a lot of uncertainty about Quinns ability in the FO (after all, they've had a season to evaluate the kids talent), then DA's value is much higher.
If I had a crystal ball to know exactly what Phil thinks, this would be much easier.
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Keep in mind next offseason we can always franchise him if we can't sign him...I know that's a LOT more money but if he plays well enough to earn it, then it'll be worth it.
Like I said, IF Phil sees BQ as "our QB of the future" and not DA, he'll take a reasonable offer to let him go under a RFA deal. If he sees DA as our future, why not just sign him long term now?
I believe Phil has a plan. And a part of that plan would be to let DA hit the RFA market.
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Keep in mind next offseason we can always franchise him if we can't sign him...I know that's a LOT more money but if he plays well enough to earn it, then it'll be worth it.
If he doesn't play well enough to earn it, we've just cost ourselves a 1st and 3rd round pick, all just to have an extra year of assurance. It's not worth it IMO.
If we think DA is the QB of the future, just lock him up now. If we don't, we need to get all we can for him and move on as soon as possible.
DA wants a Schaub/Romo contract... both of which are contracts given to a late round surprise that teams believe are quality starting quarterbacks in this league despite having minimal experience. If Savage refuses to sign DA to a deal like that, that tells you exactly what he thinks of him.
Honestly, I think the fact that DA isn't re-signed already tells us all we need to know. If he were that good and we thought he was the future, he'd be signed already for multiple years instead of being talked about on a one-year tender.
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Tons of cap? When? Right now? Yes we do, however, what about the future? In the next few years, we have a lot of expendatures to look at. Re-signing a lot of drafted players. Like BE and KW just to name a couple. We STILL need much help on D. Some of which will be high dollar FA's. You don't build a dynasty by "living in the NOW". You build it with an eye to the future.
maybe i'm just lousy at getting my point across on a message board 
for the sake of argument lets say we have 30mil in cap space...thats a good thing....once we had to start resigning our stars that will diminish...and i agree we shouldn't squander our cap and be forced to lose players we don't want to...
what i am implying is that even after we sign some fa's in the off season to help on defense...we will still go into 2008 with unused cap...we simply won't spend it....i'm ok with that because thats smart cap management, but in this case we have reason imo....
i'm talking about spending money that won't create dead cap space later on
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We also have tons of needs. Short sightedness and a spending spree has killed many teams. Let's put it this way, if you have 30,000,000 in the bank, does that mean you would pay twice as much for an Escalade as you think it's worth? How smart would that be. Or twice as much for a house than your appraiser deemed its value? I would think not.
i agree, and thats not what i'm saying....you are using examples that have a known value.....we aren't sure of da's value at this time....he could get better, he could stay the same....the juries still out....
the way i look at this is we are talking about the position on the team that is one of the most important...God knows we've been dying for a good qb, and now we might have 2...
we either sign him and spend some money...or risk losing him for a few picks....now don't get me wrong i wouldn't mind the picks because we have brady...
i guess i just hate the idea of it going to the tender, because then his contract is being negotiated with another team...and we are then forced to match there offer....thats risky if we want to keep him for a year....
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If OTHER teams offer him a "tender" that means we get compensation NOW! So you feel we should just give him 50-60 mil. now? Because from what has been reported, that's the kind of money he's looking for. Do you believe he's worth that?
i think that is all not guarateed....i thought someone posted both schabb's and romo's contracts, and that somewhere in the area of 10-12 million is guaranteed....so in essence we are talking about that not 50-60 million....
thats what he wants...thats probably what he's gonna get...so if we want to keep him, then thats what we'll have to pay...
my point is if we put up the 10mil, and structure it so that we take the hit on it, say, this year and next year....we simply have 25mil in cap instead of 30.....then 2 years from now we are free of his hit...just in time to start resigning guys like you mentioned....
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When a guy ranked 28th in accuracy behind a stellar OL, I think the jury is still out on wheather he's a "good QB". At least one who's "good enough" for the long run and our ultimate goal.
this is also a valid point....who knows how good he really is...all i know is its basically his first year as a starter...could he improve? maybe yes...maybe no.....sure would suck if he did, and quinn wasen't as advertised....i'm looking at this as a way to further evaluate both of them before making a decision....
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FYI- Coaching staff salary does not count against the cap.But what if we sign DA and Quinn beats him out? Then we pay TONS at the QB position.
i know that coaches money dosen't count against the cap...what i was infering was owners in essence "throw money away" to get rid of a coach if they think its in the best interest of the team....
if they throw some money away by signing anderson, its a lesser evil, than letting him get away, without knowing his full potential...
sure it counts against the cap....but that only matters if you don't have alot.....if we were in the skins position...then sure this would be a huge issue....with the space we have its not....
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IF DA continues to be our starter, AND be successfulll, you're right. Under any other scenario, he will lose value and we won't possibly be able to get what we could for him now.
while i understand what you are staying, that wasen't true with schabb....it was the case of a projected starter, sitting behind a better starter....
at the end of the day this might all be smoke by phil.....and it only really matters what he thinks....if he thinks that da is the future, then he will attempt to sign him as such....if not....then he'll keep up the shrade, untill he can trade him....either way, letting it get to the tender stage, takes the power out of our hands....its a risk....sure it has the reward of picks....but it sure would suck anderson went to a team like the rats, and matured into a quality starter....
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what i am implying is that even after we sign some fa's in the off season to help on defense...we will still go into 2008 with unused cap...we simply won't spend it
Perhaps mistakenly, but I was under the impression that there is no carry over from year to year on cap space..
Meaning, if we have 30 mill this year, and we only use 20, that doesn't mean we carry 10 over to next season..
If I'm right about that, what good does it do to not spend it now? Saving CAP space doesn't seem to be worthwhile? Not from a team development perspective.. from a financial perspective, yeah, sure I understand that completely.
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If he doesn't play well enough to earn it, we've just cost ourselves a 1st and 3rd round pick, all just to have an extra year of assurance. It's not worth it IMO.
If we think DA is the QB of the future, just lock him up now. If we don't, we need to get all we can for him and move on as soon as possible.
And that's the problem. We don't have enough information to KNOW whether or not DA is the guy for the long haul. And how do we know that Savage hasn't made that determination?
Because we aren't making a bunch of noise regarding offering Anderson that big contract. All we're saying is that we want him to be the starter going into next year. That clearly states the team likes the guy, but that they aren't convinced he's the future.
On one hand, Anderson had a very good season for a guy who entered his first full season as a starter, coming off the bench in a tough spot. On the other hand, he folded like a house of cards down the stretch. So what does that tell us? That the verdict is still out, and that we don't have enough information to make a definitive decision on him.
Question #1 solved.
I've seen several people make the comment that if we don't trade Anderson, we run the risk of getting nothing for him in return. My own personal issue with this line of thinking is that we're worrying about the wrong problem. We shouldn't be worrying about draft pick compensation, we need to be worrying about making the right choice between two very good prospects at the most important position on the entire football team. Luckily, that's EXACTLY what Savage is doing.
In our minds, we have to set aside all the rhetoric, not only from mouths of the talking heads within the organization, but from the media and the various camps ranging from Anderson's and Quinn's agents. Taking a look at the facts as we know'em right now, Savage likes Anderson, but isn't sold on him as a ten-year starter. If he was, we'd all be hearing how they've opened big contract negotiations. We haven't heard anything of the sort.
We're obviously focusing on the correct issue, which is finding the right QB. If Anderson turns out to be the guy, we can tag him and play hardball in contract negotiations to keep him. If we flops, we've given Quinn plenty of time to learn from the bench, and can then let him step into the starting lineup.
There is NO question that the most important thing here isn't getting the most in return for Derek Anderson, but rather determining which QB is the best guy to lead this team into the future. The best way to handle this from the organizations standpoint is to go ahead and offer Anderson a contract, but not one that locks him in for the long-haul. If he doesn't bite......which he shouldn't......he's tendered and is essentially being told it's his job to lose, but his 2008 season is an audition for that big contract he wants.
That's perfectly fair, and is addressing the correct and most important problem.
Now we can all speculate on what we think Anderson is worth, and how Savage will react in various situations. I happen to believe that the scenario that makes the most sense is to simply tag Anderson and let things play out. If a team is dumb enough to give Anderson near Romo money AND give us two first day draft picks, we trust our scouting department, let Anderson walk, take the windfall, and go with Quinn. To offer Anderson a huge contract now is an unnecessary move, as is dumping Anderson without fair compensation because he had a pretty good year for a guy in his situation.
My opinion on how things will play out has absolutely nothing to do with addressing the correct problem. The priority is to determine if Anderson is the guy, not to get the most for him while his stock is high. If he flops and doesn't pan out next year, it's worth knowing that we made the right move for the future. If he does pan out, he's worth the big contract he wants.
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"We don't have enough information to KNOW whether or not DA is the guy for the long haul. And how do we know that Savage hasn't made that determination?"
By "We" can I assume you are talking about "we" he posters?
I think RAC, Chud, Shirer and Savage have an indepth knowledge of what exactly we got in DA. Although the future is not 100% surmized by even those 4 - I'm sure they have a little more knowledge to work on then "we".
Toad - I just find it odd talking about a QB being a starter without a viable contract binding him here. We can be sure of only two things.
1. They actually are sincerely believing what they are saying.
2. They actually are assuming that no agreement will be made so possibly teams will covet him a tad more?
But it will be obvious...at least to me. Signed contract - #1 is in effect.
Tendered - #2 is in effect.
JMHO - and I stick by that speculation
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I agree, in my opinion here is what will happen
1) We sign DA to long term or short term contract, then he goes into 2008 as starter
2) If we tender him then there is open competition between DA and BQ
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3) we loose DA and BQ is our starter and we get 2 first day picks
I don’t think DA stays here if we tender him. He would want to cash in and become starter somewhere else.
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In that perticular context (which was accidently vague) "we" means the organization........but it can mean everyone else as well.
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I think RAC, Chud, Shirer and Savage have an indepth knowledge of what exactly we got in DA. Although the future is not 100% surmized by even those 4 - I'm sure they have a little more knowledge to work on then "we".
In the context of "we" meaning the fans, they absolutely have more info than we do. With that in mind, knowing that they haven't come right out and opened up bigtime negotiations with Anderson, it's obvious that they are still on the fence with the guy, as they should be.
I'd note that my intent with that one perticular post was to say that finding the right QB is more important than worrying about selling Anderson when his value may be at it's highest. My own personal opinion of how things will play out is a seperate conversation.
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"that finding the right QB is more important than worrying about selling Anderson when his value may be at it's highest."
Duely noted - pretty much most opinions fall on that line its just the circumstances that make it a hot topic.
Those being - he is not contracted for 08 or beyond because of that and the Restricted options we have sort of Opens pandora's box in the Windfall department. If signed till 09-2010 I think some would bring it up but not as hot a topic cause the ONE MORE YEAR theory makes a lot more sense.
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Perhaps mistakenly, but I was under the impression that there is no carry over from year to year on cap space..
Meaning, if we have 30 mill this year, and we only use 20, that doesn't mean we carry 10 over to next season..
If I'm right about that, what good does it do to not spend it now? Saving CAP space doesn't seem to be worthwhile? Not from a team development perspective.. from a financial perspective, yeah, sure I understand that completely.
no it doesn't carry over....
the gist of it is kinda like a gamble imo....if we offered da a contract that has say 10mil guaranteed we would in essence be asking randy to put 10 million on a coin flip....could he do it....sure could....would we? no way....can't fathom that kinda cash....
but if it helps us determine the best starter for our team then its worth doin....in the long term it would pay off....assuming we choose the right starter...
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the gist of it is kinda like a gamble imo....if we offered da a contract that has say 10mil guaranteed we would in essence be asking randy to put 10 million on a coin flip....could he do it....sure could....would we? no way....can't fathom that kinda cash....
I guess I just don't understand your thinking and what that has to do with the CAP that's available this year.. A $10 million contract for a starting QB that wins is CHEAP... But here's the thing.. Let's say we do sign DA to a long term contract. It really means nothing at all,, NOTHING.
If Quinn beats him out for the job this summer in Camp, then it's simple, we keep DA for another year and then trade him if indeed, Quinn does a great job..
No harm No foul and the team that gets DA in trade will be responsible for the balance of the contract. (maybe, there may be an exception for the signing bonus if we pro-rated it over a few years.. we may have to eat that, not sure)
So I don't see the harm in a 10 million offer to DA.. Except one thing.. I don't think it's gonna be enough. Warts and all, teams are in dire need of QB's that can win games.. and that's exactly what DA did..... 10 times!
I know a lot of people on here think that DA is trash, or maybe a 1 year wonder that won't ever get better.. But I don't agree with them (theres a shocker )
I think when it's all said and done, if DA is here, it's gonna cost a bunch more than 10 million.. Just an opinion.
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If he's here more than 3years it'll cost around 10mill but not 1-3 years...
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I guess I just don't understand your thinking and what that has to do with the CAP that's available this year.. A $10 million contract for a starting QB that wins is CHEAP... But here's the thing.. Let's say we do sign DA to a long term contract. It really means nothing at all,, NOTHING.
what i'm getting at is we have the space to do it...we could sign him and then trade him at the end next year if we decided to go with quinn....
in other words we have the cap to absorb that trade....we would be responsible for all the guarnateed cash...the other team gets just the remaining salary years, and bonuses if any...
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If Quinn beats him out for the job this summer in Camp, then it's simple, we keep DA for another year and then trade him if indeed, Quinn does a great job..
i think if da is on the roster then he's the starter next year...
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So I don't see the harm in a 10 million offer to DA.. Except one thing.. I don't think it's gonna be enough. Warts and all, teams are in dire need of QB's that can win games.. and that's exactly what DA did..... 10 times!
i don't know if thats enough....its roughly what schab and romo got in guaranteed money....
he might just cost too much to keep...and if thats the case we have to tender him.....then we either match, or move on with picks...
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Dorsey = Quinn the Eskimo IMO
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That's a very solid post. Nice job. I especially like this part: Quote:
There is NO question that the most important thing here isn't getting the most in return for Derek Anderson, but rather determining which QB is the best guy to lead this team into the future. The best way to handle this from the organizations standpoint is to go ahead and offer Anderson a contract, but not one that locks him in for the long-haul. If he doesn't bite......which he shouldn't......he's tendered and is essentially being told it's his job to lose, but his 2008 season is an audition for that big contract he wants.
That's perfectly fair, and is addressing the correct and most important problem.
We can talk about what we may or not get for DA, but the bottom line--in my mind--is to make sure that we choose the right QB to lead this team into the future. At this point, I don't think we have enough information to make that determination.
The job should be won in practice, in meetings, and on the field........not in newspapers, message boards, or because of their draft status.
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But that is not any fun...
When do we find out when DA will be available?
Perhaps we can get a nifty countdown clock on this one as well.
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Maybe this has been posted allready......
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By Marla Ridenour
Browns general manager Phil Savage said Thursday on his weekly radio segment on WTAM-AM that contract negotiations have begun with the agents for quarterback Derek Anderson and running back Jamal Lewis.
"We've had some things going on underground for the last week or so," Savage told the Browns' flagship station. "It's really just in the beginning stages. Those are the top two priorities, so we're off the first tee."
Things have been so underground that representatives at Athletes First in Newport Beach, Calif. have not returned calls on who is representing Anderson. His agent, David Dunn, is under suspension. Lewis' agent Mitch Frankel has not responded to emails.
Considering the impact Anderson and Lewis had on Cleveland's offensive resurgence during a 10-6 season, it would seem more significant if Savage had not begun talks with the Anderson and Lewis camps.
Anderson, a three-year veteran who went 10-5 in his first year as the Browns starter, will be a restricted free agent. His 29 touchdown passes this season just missed Brian Sipe's single-season record of 30 and Anderson's 3,787 passing yards was the team's fifth-highest total.
Playing on a one-year contract, ex-Raven Lewis rushed for 1,304 yards and became only the second Browns back to go over 1,300, joining Jim Brown.
Savage is likely proposing a long-term deal for Anderson, but not at break-the-bank money since Brady Quinn is waiting in the wings. If the two sides can't agree, Savage has another option. Cleveland could offer Anderson the highest tender of $2.562 million in 2008, which would bring the Browns first- and third-round draft picks in compensation if Anderson received an offer they elected not to match.
Lewis will want a multi-year deal for more than the $5 million (with incentives) he earned in 2007.
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Well if it isn't Leo DiCaprio's brother! (See the other thread)
Back to the topic. It makes sense not to break the bank on Anderson, especially after how much we invested in Quinn. Plus, if we were to trade Quinn, we'd have to find a trade that would be worth AT LEAST a mid round first and a high second round pick.
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Quinn would fetch a 1st rounder right now due to the way his contract is laid out, as well as the fact he's got a year of experience under his belt. Just because he sat on the bench doesn't mean he didn't learn a ton.
As for Anderson, the boards majority opinion is right on target. We'll offer Anderson a contract, but not for big-time money.
I'd have to take the time to look at other RB contracts to determine if Lewis is worth $5 mil a season, though that "with incentives" part makes it feasible.
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Well if it isn't Leo DiCaprio's brother! (See the other thread)
Like many things in my life, that one flew right over my head......
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Haha, look in the tailgate lot.
The point I wanted to make about Quinn was that if he were to be traded, for us to benefit from the trade, it would have to worth at least a very high first round pick or a decent first round pick plus a second round pick.
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I'll save you some time since I was just in the thread he is talking about and saw it. People were imagining you as an old fart and somebody asked what you really did look like and this is how a poster described you: Like Leonardo DiCaprio's jail-bird brother that the family doesn't talk about. I'd say that's fairly accurate.
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Like Leonardo DiCaprio's jail-bird brother that the family doesn't talk about.
I'd say that's fairly accurate.
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