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In a thread on Hillary I read some things about Barack that seemed to be disputed. My wife mentioned to me today about an email see recieved. The email says all facts were checked on a web site called snopes.com I know nothing about this web site and checked it out. It seems to be a myth busting web site so I beleive it is within the rules to post what I'm about to post. If I am wrong, my apologies... Email letter Quote:
who is Barack Obama?
Very interesting and something that should be considered in your choice.
If you do not ever forward anything else, please forward this to all your contacts...this is very scarey to think of what lies ahead of
us here in our own United States...better heed this and pray about it and share it.
We checked this out on "snopes.com". It is factual. Check for yourself.
Who is Barack Obama?
Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHIEST from
Wichita, Kansas.
Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia ?
When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocate to Indonesia. Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a Catholic school.
Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school."
Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that that he is not a radical.
Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education.
Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta.
Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad a gainst the western world.
Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background. ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran.
Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegiance nor will he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their hands over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches.
Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential candidacy.
The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside
out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States, one of their own!!!!
Please forward to everyone you know. Would you want this man leading our country?...... NOT ME!!!
Now here is a breakdown of this email by snoops.com, the very web site that the letter claims to have checked for facts.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
Now I don't really know what to believe as far as this web site. I do know that this disputed email gets ripped apart by the same web site the email sites as a source. The web site cites several sources.
Things I can believe from this email
Barack's mom was not religious, probably didn't believe in God. His dad was from Africa and was probably a Muslim, however I think it was in name only.
His parents were divorced. His mother did have a second husband. He did live in Jakarta.
Now unless someone can provide addtional info that contradicts what I have read I think this is one of the most vile things I have ever read about a politician when it comes to religious beliefs. Even if he was a muslim, the way things have been twisted is nothing less than sickening to me.
In case anyone thinks my comments are politically motivated, I will go on record again that I'm a member of the republican party who tends to vote for canidates that are aligned with the religious right.
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I'm a really conservative Christian. I've heard him speak and read some parts of his book. He seems as genuine as the come but I question any hardcore democrat (usually) if they claim staunch Christian views.
The hand over heart thing is bunk. I forget sometimes. He didn't serve in the military to know what to and what not to do AND he was raised in another country.
I like Barack; he seems like a uniter, like Kennedy. But his Muslim background concerns me. But would the Koran teach to deceive just to get into power of a mostly-Christian country if he was Muslim? I doubt that. But I just don't know.
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Does it really matter what someone's religion is?
Look, I'm Catholic, so it kinda chaps my ass when people say "He's Catholic, there's only been one catholic president and he was shot...the Pope may control the White House!!!!!!"
Whatever happened to separation of Church and State? (Did I mention I go to Church on Christmas and Easter, but that in NO way shows a lack of dedication to God? I just have my own belief system)
I don't give a rip about what religion someone is...christian, jew, muslim, athiest...what I really care about is what kind of person they are, and you can't tell that about someone based on their religion. Yes the radical muslims are all wrong, we get that, but Barack Obama? A guy who champions AMERICA and AMERICAN VALUES?
Give me a break. We separated church and state for a reason and here we are, 231 years later, STILL having religious issues.
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I usually vote conservative, and this doesn't concern me. I honestly just think it's another ploy to steer the proverbial political sheep. That's not to say the Democrats don't do it either (especially HRC!).
I mean, if the article said he was a radical muslim, well then yeah, I'd be concerned, but this is just stupid.
I do think that the average American definitely needs to educate himself/herself on Islam overall. For instance....one thing I would think shocks a lot of people is the question: Which country has the highest Muslim population?........................Indonesia. But that's not in the middle East, and they don't speak Arabic!? Well...yeah, and I don't remember there being too many concerning terrorists coming out of that country either. Hell, only about 20% of the world's Muslims are Arabic. The point is that the word "Muslim" sets off tons of red flags in peoples' minds because they automatically think Arabic terrorist...and the author of this clearly knew that.
Honestly, what's next? Things like "Do you want to be eaten by wolves?" Then don't vote for (insert name here).
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osama...obama? oh my.. so close they must be the same person! This democratic primary is getting ugly... next we will hear that we shouldn't elect Barack president because he will be assissinated.. oh wait already heard that too.. *sigh*
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I'd be lying if I thought that his being muslim didnt concern me. It does to a point.
At the same time, I feel like his muslim ties could be used as an advantage with the middle east as he could somewhat relate.
I dunno what to think...I know religion shouldnt be a sticking point when looking at ones views, but i cant help it.
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Be less concerned with his supposed religious beliefs than his grasp of international financial matters as well as military and political hotspots.
When he drops to the floor 5 times a day on his 2X4 prayer rug and faces eastward then be concerned.
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Be careful what you read on Snopes Pdawg,,, they claim to be investigative, but they are more instigative. Let me site one example from this very email you have posted. Quote:
Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background.
How does snopes know that's why he joined the United Church of Christ.. what if he just researched thier teachings and decided that they best fit with his own thinking?
Keep in mind, I'm not saying that what Snopes is saying is UNTRUE... I don't know that either.. I just don't see any proof that what they say is true...
Snopes has it's place I guess....
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In case anyone thinks my comments are politically motivated, I will go on record again that I'm a member of the republican party who tends to vote for canidates that are aligned with the religious right.
Wow, biggest shocker in your post! 
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I'd be lying if I thought that his being muslim didnt concern me. It does to a point.
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When he drops to the floor 5 times a day on his 2X4 prayer rug and faces eastward then be concerned.
I guess my question to you guys is, why does that concern you?
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Of COURSE it does, Ammo! Don't you know that every single Muslim is an American hating terrorist?
Just like every Christian is a wacked out abortion clinic bomber. 
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This e-mail made me a little ill. I've seen it before, Senator Obama has even addressed it. But, rather than look things up, people believe it because he is different. Also, wanna guess who we can thank for this getting legs when it was proven false? Our good friends at Fox News who heard a rumor, ran with it on air on Fox & Friends, saying that Obama went to a madrassa. It then takes two days of Obama simply denying it for someone (CNN) to send a reporter over there and verify that it was not a religious school that he attended, but rather a public school with very little religious ties at all. Here is the CNN report that ended up killing some of the hit job. Here is the response from the Obama campaign on the issue when Fox first aired it: Quote:
“If (Steve) Doocy or the staff at Fox and Friends had taken to check their facts, or simply made a call to his office, they would have learned that Senator Obama was not educated in a Madrassa, was not raised as a Muslim, and was not raised by his father – an atheist Obama met once in his life before he died.
All of the claims about Senator Obama’s faith and education raised in the Insight Magazine story and repeated on Fox News are false. Senator Obama was raised in a secular household in Indonesia by his stepfather and mother. Obama’s stepfather worked for a U.S. oil company, and sent his stepson to two years of Catholic school, as well as two years of public school. As Obama described it, “Without the money to go to the international school that most expatriate children attended, I went to local Indonesian schools and ran the streets with the children of farmers, servants, tailors, and clerks.” [The Audacity of Hope, p. 274]
To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago. Furthermore, the Indonesian school Obama attended in Jakarta is a public school that is not and never has been a Madrassa.
These malicious, irresponsible charges are precisely the kind of politics the American people have grown tired of, and that Senator Obama is trying to change by focusing on bringing people together to solve our common problems.
But, lets not look for facts! Lets send an e-mail that sites snopes, people will believe that there is at least a piece of truth in it and run with it. I know this is part of politics, but its more a part of people being so uncomfortable with something different and reacting to that, if you ask me.
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Pdawg, re-reading your original post, I do not believe that the entity that wrote that email actually checked snopes.com.
That's like me writing an email to a lot of people saying "cnn.com has reported that the united states is invading Iran today." Just saying it's from a site doesn't make it true.
I agree 100% with you, Pdawg. Whatever political party someone is from, it is downright despicable to just make up lies like this about someone.
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Be careful what you read on Snopes Pdawg,,, they claim to be investigative, but they are more instigative.
Let me site one example from this very email you have posted.
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Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background.
How does snopes know that's why he joined the United Church of Christ.. what if he just researched thier teachings and decided that they best fit with his own thinking?
Keep in mind, I'm not saying that what Snopes is saying is UNTRUE... I don't know that either.. I just don't see any proof that what they say is true...
Snopes has it's place I guess....
Daman, Snopes bebunks the email. Please pay attention. 
Don't put Snopes down, they do a really good job of investigating this kind of crap and does their best to point out the truth.
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Thank you. That is the whole reason for my post. The fact is that email is debunked by the very source they cite. The fact is, the whole purpose of this thread was to stick up for Barack. From reading some of the replies, people don't even bother to read past the email. 
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Even if he WAS a covert muslim operative, trying to gain the presidency ... what would he be able to accomplish anyway? In case everyone forgot ... the President is mostly a figurehead. Legislation is passed by the senate, and any vetos can be over-ridden by them as well. Anything deemed unconstitutional can be stopped by the Supreme Court. As far as "power" goes, the Executive branch is probably the weakest. What is he going to do? Tell our armies to attack ourselves?
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I have to admit, Pdawg, I was one of those who didn't read the whole thing until later. But, that's just because I was skimming and some of the replies to your thread caught my eye.
That'll teach me to read threads when I'm eating my cereal and getting dressed for work and listening to music.
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I guess I could have made it clearer by starting with a rant before the email. I am not worried about his loyalties at all. I thing this is a shameless attempt to discredit him because of religious bias. It goes beyond calling him a Muslim (which he isn't) but putting him in bed with the worst radicals out there.
I doubt I would even vote for the guy but he deserves to be defended by the likes of me.
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So what your saying then is that Snopes.com thinks it ok to say that someone joined a particular church to appear to be more electable candidate.. is that what you are saying..
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Daman, let me lay it out for you.
The email says that it checked everything out on snopes.com. However, that is NOT TRUE. Snopes, in fact, debunks every single thing the email says.
The email used snopes so it looks like it has some credibility. However, snopes had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with the email.
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I would insert another joke here, but SOMEBODY might take it the wrong way 
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I don't have a problem with Obama's race. I don't have a problem with Obama's religion. I have a problem with Obama's stance on social issues and his solution to correcting them.
I don't have a problem with Hilary's gender. I don't have a problem with Hilary's religion. I have a problem with Hilary's stance on social issues and her solution to correcting them.
On the Republican side, I am really rooting for Romney because Thompson doesn't have a chance to get back in this race (if he was ever really in it). Again I care less about Romney's Mormon background. I like his conservative stance on our economy and how he ran his Governors office.
I heard Mitt on the Sean Hannity show last week. I forgot how it was brought up but Edwards speech talking about going after the evil corporations and Mitt responded like a conservative should. He said the thinking of going after Big corporations was faulty. Because they never pay taxes. They will just raise the costs of thier products that us the middle class depend on. We are sitting above $3 a gallon of gas. You want to go after the Big Oil companies and make them pay huge taxes because they are making record profits? Well, then we will see us hit $4 and $5 a gallon in record time, because Big Oil will just pass the taxes on to the consumer.
What kind of example does that show anyways? Kids don't become successful because were going to tax the hell out of you and label you an evil corporation.
Look at the state of California and thier energy crisis. The entire energy system was state regulated and they were short on energy because they told the energy companies you can only buy energy for this much and sell it for that. (Also add into the fact that they need to buy thier energy because every time they try to build a power plant some environmentalist organization will just run to a friendly judge and get and injunction against it. Thus tying it up in the courts for years till tax payer funding for the project runs out)
Now the energy companies were having trouble buying energy at time due to fluctuation cost and at times it exceeded the limitations the state government place on the buying ceiling.
So the state went back and told the energy companies there is no longer a ceiling on buy the energy BUT they can't raise the price to the consumers. Well, any idiot should be able to figure out that is a problem. When for example you can buy a candy bar for .80 but you are told you must sell it at .50 the likely hood of you doing that is Nil. As is the case with the California energy companies when the price of buying the energy exceeds the price they can sell it they won't buy, which still causes a shortage and blackouts.
So the California energy companies are labeled evil corporations and the state wants to take back control of the energy. Well, they already have control over it and they are the reason the problems exist.
Now I told that story about the California energy for a reason. The next solution for the Democrats (not all of them, but it is the party that is leading the charge against big oil) after they will impose taxes on gas is to restrict the selling price. If/when they try this it will be a huge disaster. There will be a dire shortage of oil because the oil companies will divert the oil to India and China where they will make profit.
Going after oil companies and other big business will only hurt the middle class who is employed buy big business and buys big business products. And that is one of the reasons I can't back the current Liberal movement in any way shape or form thier programs and laws alsways seem to do the opposite of what they intended to be.
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I would insert another joke here, but SOMEBODY might take it the wrong way
I don't really think it's your place to judge if people take it the wrong way. 
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Damon quit reading the email and click the link to see what snopes.com says about it. Here is the link again since you seem to have missed it in the first post. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
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Good post Free. I'm starting to think that High Schools should mandate 4 years of economics classes rather than 4 years of matematics. You never really need anything more than algebra in the real world and nobody these days seems to understand basic economic principles.
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You missed the whole point I think Daman. The email made claims that were obviously false. It sited a source they didn't even bother to check, and the source actually debunks the email itself. The funny part is that if people managed to do more than 2 seconds of research to check ANY of the "facts" contained in the email, they would know they were phoney and should be deleted immediately.
As to the question on whether Barack Obama is muslim or catholic or protestant or evangelical or athiest or whatever, personally to me it makes no difference. I don't vote based on religion. I vote on their track record and what they have done in the past. How did they help us get better in Education? Military defense? Fiscal responsibility? What do they believe? Not what do they say they believe, but what do they show they believe by their actions.
Barack has been a well spoken, intelligent man who has presented himself very well in the positions that he has been in. He is a interesting person and deserves his shot. I will continue to listen to all the candidates, as I have not yet made up my mind on who I want as the Commander in Chief. This email does nothing.
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The most bothersome thing to me is the ridiculous idea that if a guy was Muslim, there would be potential for him to be a traitor to his country.  I believe Ammo already referenced the JFK 'the Vatican will be running the White House' school of thought, but that whole line of thinking is just absolutely stupid. 
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The most bothersome thing to me is the ridiculous idea that if a guy was Muslim, there would be potential for him to be a traitor to his country.
I believe Ammo already referenced the JFK 'the Vatican will be running the White House' school of thought, but that whole line of thinking is just absolutely stupid.
One of the few time we agree Phil!
Each side have sheep, the conservative sheep are the type that will vote for the Christian. I have people in my familly that won't vote for Mitt because he is Mormon but they like Huckabee. No matter how much I talk about Huckabee's record they don't care he is a Christian.
I don't care about the person's race, religion or gender but I am a conservative and a capitalist and that's the person I back.
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You are talking about several people on this board also.
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That's a big problem. I'm a christian yet I don't want any part of Huckabee or Mitt. I really hope we see an Obama vs McCain/Rudy election.
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I also agree with what you have to say.
I have a feeling that this email is the work of right wing Christians. I also wonder how many Dems are pushing this also to fit their agendas.
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We've been watching that for seven years now, time for a change.
Obviously last couple of times you voted, you weren't watching these things either..................
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I guess I could have made it clearer by starting with a rant before the email. I am not worried about his loyalties at all. I thing this is a shameless attempt to discredit him because of religious bias. It goes beyond calling him a Muslim (which he isn't) but putting him in bed with the worst radicals out there.
I doubt I would even vote for the guy but he deserves to be defended by the likes of me.
Same here.
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well...the general hatred from the middle east for the United States concerns me. I know theres not necessarily any ties, but just muslim extremists could come from anywhere.
Maybe i watch 24 too much. but...while i think his ties to muslim leaders could be an advantage it could just as easily take a turn for the worst.
Whether itd be exxtremists that see our leadership as faulty and try to bring the violence here, or whether corruption could come from inside. Its just a bit disconcerting
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I wrote this line mostly in jest..."When he drops to the floor 5 times a day on his 2X4 prayer rug and faces eastward then be concerned."
Several people asked me why and the answer is that a truly observant Muslim...and I HAVE NEVER CLAIMED NOR WOULD I THAT B. HUSSEIN OBAMA is an observant Muslim...prays on the floor facing Mecca 5 times a day to honor Mecca and Allah.
I simply used the line to suggest that a non observant Muslim does not usually follow this ritual - but an observant one will.
Since Obama has assured us that he is a non Muslim we should not worry.
What is the big deal if he were an observant Muslim????????????????????
Can an observant MUslim be loyal only to America's national interest???????
Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the god of Arabia.
Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)
Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).
Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).
Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.
I agree that Obama is not a MUslim but if he begins to fall on his prayer rug 5 times a day and prays eastward to Mecca then.....................................
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