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So anyone want to talk about the fact that Pretti never had the gun in his hand? and was shot after it was removed from his belt.

They don't.

I'm just waiting for more evidence to confirm this was murder and not justified before presenting that case but it's looking like they will have no legitimate counter argument. Of course when has that ever stopped them before?

Well after all your tampon and Nancy / masculinity jibes that post right there is funny as hell.

You don't respond to my holier than thou posts .... Because you can't. And when you try you get burnt.

And yes.... For 8+ years you were 100% fine with libtard being spammed across this forum... But your overly offended by "MAGA fanboy".... You are the very definition of a snowflake. Happy to throw crap around but then lots of fake outrage when it suits.

That is, seriously, the funniest $h*t you've ever posted on here!

Keep dreaming FATE Fanboy.

Dude, seriously, have one of those dogs type for you. There's a one in ten chance you pen a post that's even readable... 90% of those contain no facts... 70% of the 90% make you sound like you wet your pants.

You telling someone they missed the point is like a mime giving a TED Talk.

Where are all the 2nd amendment folks?
Why are they not all pissed off that someone was killed by iur government for legally carrying a gun?
Holstered, not fired, not pointing at anyone

Why don't you make it 600%

You need to listen to what you were told you saw. He was  "violently" brandishing a 9mm semi-automatic handgun.

I knew the math would confuse you.

You conveniently leave until resisting arrest, assaulting officers, etc..... There are quite a few major details left out when trying to defend this man.

It was an arrest it was a beating then a murder etc...

There has been a response -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnvg812n01no

The NRA labelled a suggestion by a federal prosecutor that people who carry guns risk being lawfully shot by officers as "dangerous and wrong".

"Responsible public voices should be awaiting a full investigation, not making generalisations and demonising law-abiding citizens," the NRA said in a statement.

The NRA - which is typically aligned with Donald Trump - was reacting to comments from First Assistant US Attorney for the Central District of California on Saturday night.

Bill Essayli wrote on social media: "If you approach law enforcement with a gun, there is a high likelihood they will be legally justified in shooting you. Don't do it!"

In a separate social-media post, the NRA said: "As there is with any officer-involved shooting, there will be a robust and comprehensive investigation that takes place to determine if the use of force was justified.

"As we await these facts and gain a clearer understanding, we urge the political voices to lower the temperature to ensure their constituents and law enforcement officers stay safe."

Just in this one thread - multiple points ignored because they are hard to discuss or debate with. Instead the "discussion" is on the trivial and "Gotcha" moments. Someone said Million instead of Billion because they think all of Trump's administration numbers are made up and unsubstantiated. And this is a major discussion point.

Ironically while you try to squabble over math and numbers and their authenticity - you state 15 million illegals entered the USA under Biden. A false claim that not even Faux News and massaged Trump administration numbers support. Funny how that works isn't it.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/illegal-immigrants-biden-admin-amount-greater-population-36-states

Maybe not.

Oh, they said their piece. Don't worry. It's just all kinda getting drowned out right now.


I think many of the people that have been cheering on ICE are slowly starting to realize that they are cheering on a goon squad. The idea that these agents were being sent out for legit border enforcement reasons was always a bit of a farce (not completely corrupt like liberals were making it out to be, but more like a modern-day Crusades). The murmurs of the training and accountability issues regarding the ICE agents are getting louder and louder.

Say what you want about the protesters... there are always small slices bad actors that need to be dealt with severely (sometimes in the moment)... and more generally there are laws/accountability spelled out for the more minor stuff that happens. But the penalty for protesting is NOT death. The folks on here trying to equate protesting to domestic terrorism are appalling and un-American. Just as concerning is leadership in these departments doubling down by doing things like wrapping up an investigation and tweeting a fabricated timeline of events.

It's no wonder. When the president of the United States tells us he is going to reduce prescription drugs costs by as much as 1000% or 1200% math begins to get a little fuzzy. And he is "the leader of the free world".

So people aren't supposed to use Trump math?

Nobody left it out. Resisting arrest doesn't carry the death penalty doesn't carry the death penalty. Unless you live in places like Iran, North Korea, Russia and maybe China. Or unless you're a trumpian. And all he was trying to resist was a bearing that included pistol whipping.

And he didn't "assault" any ICE agents. They attacked him. They pushed a woman to the ground and he got between the woman and them. Then they attacked him. He even raised his hand in the air trying to get them to stop moving forward and they still attacked him.

Actually watch what happened on the video and stop believing what your masters tell you.

There is no "maybe not" to it. The video tells the complete story. Believe your eyes and not your overlords.

You aren't a domestic terrorist until after they murder you.

He had no business interfering with ICE agents performing their duty. Ridding our country of illegal alien criminals. I watched the video and believed he came there for one purpose and one purpose only and that was to kill and he reaped what he sowed. These are officers of the law and have a duty to perform. Leave them alone. Minnesota needs to send their goon squad's home and let the process of making our country safe from illegals happen. If you want to peacefully protests, then hold up signs but do not interfere and obstruct. These tragedies are on the State government for allowing the goon squads on the streets to cause havoc.

What duty? They weren't arresting an immigrant. They pushed an American woman to the ground.

He came there to kill? Based on what? Your "feelings"? Oh that's right. That some crazy BS Your overlords made up based on nothing.

If you want the protestors to go home it's a little late for that. Pulling an American citizen out of his home and detaining them, pulling over off duty police officers, pulling people over at random just because they're brown. Murdering Americans. These are some of the most un-American things that could be done and somehow you claim "That's their job".

You are one sick individual.

So, let me get this right, you believe in Polls when they say what you want them to say, but not when they don't... For instance, there are several polls out there that say over 71% of Americans think the Country is going in the wrong direction under Trump! I bet you don't believe that!

FATE not understanding something isn't really a surprise

An innocent man was shot to death by cowards.

On the ground defenseless. Filled with bullets from the guns of cowards hiding behind a badge.

You should leave the country. You are no better than those that pulled the trigger.

To see that tape and conclude a man with a camera should be killed is as sick as it gets.

These illegals that never should have been in this country need to get out. They do not belong here, and they have caused Americans much heartache.

One less thug on our streets.

Pay attention next time. I'm not sure if you're being sincere are just being a troll. Hopefully just being a troll. I would hate to think you're actually that willingly ignorant.

Yes that nurse from the VA was such a thug! He was protecting a woman ICE was assaulting. How dare he!

Maybe the thugs were the ICE agents assaulting a woman?

Oh, look who is thoroughly confused again. You're so adorable. Read the opening sentence. I'm 100% positive it "says" the opposite of what he was trying to convey. He's really good at contradicting his own thoughts by the time they hit the page.

Choosing to be agitators against officers of the law protecting citizens against criminals. It is insane that people are not applauding ICE let alone going far beyond protesting them. There are thousands of angel mothers in the US due to these illegal aliens and anyone standing between ICE and removing this criminal element is sick.

So that's what you have decided to call protestors now? Agitators?

Nobody is against removing violent criminals from our streets no matter where they come from. Sadly ICE is doing much more than that and most of it is crazy. You uphold the killing of this American by ICE was of no real threat to them. You uphold pulling over off duty police officers "just because they are brown" which has nothing to do with removing criminals. You uphold them pulling a citizen out of his shower at his own home and detaining him. You uphold all of these things and then some. And absolutely none of that anything to do with "protecting citizens against criminals".

The only thing that man had in his hand was a cell phone. You are condoning a murder.

Oh, memories....

The contrast is stunning.

And so are the differences in who was detained and the methods in which they carried out their operations. As the man at the Chinese place says, "Is not da same."

Yeah? What's the difference in how they carried out their operations?

You see where this goes?

All those who participated in Jan 6th should be lined up in front of a firing squad and pumped full of bullets.

For one they did not send thousand of agents into a single city at one time roaming the neighborhoods. Secondly they targeted violent criminals. Thirdly they weren't randomly pulling over brown people.

Trump’s removal policy seems geared to focus on “criminal” aliens, it also vaguely references broad sections of immigration law and categories of non-citizens that essentially make all unauthorized immigrants “priorities” for removal at any time. The Trump policy is governed by the overarching principle that no group of immigrants will be exempted or excluded from enforcement through prosecutorial discretion.

Obama focused on national security threats, immigrants convicted of serious crimes, and recent border crossers. The memo also laid out factors that should be considered when exercising prosecutorial discretion to deprioritize or not take action against otherwise removable persons, including strong family or community ties and length of time in the country.

This probably the biggest difference in the reaction of the people, in general.

Here in Nashville alone over 350 people were pulled over in a 12 hour period. Many for no other reason than they were guilty of "driving while brown". The vast majority of them were released because there was no cause to pull them over in the first place.

When you have large groups of masked men coming down the streets in your own neighborhoods randomly harassing people with mo just cause, yanking people out of their cars simply because they don't have "their papers" and those who are working class people with no criminal records being removed, it's different than anything they've have have seen in or country.

lmfao.

Obama - 8 years. 56 died in custody. 7 per year.

2025 alone under Trump 32. Extrapolate that over 8 years = 256 deaths.

Also - I know MAGA fanboys can't think straight when they have a hard-on over the idea of innocent US citizens being murdered (see day of the dawg posts) - but there is wild difference between someone dying in custody and a US citizen being murdered on video.

I do not condone the actions by some on Jan. 6th. I never condone rioting in any form. It is wrong. People have a right to peacefully protests. That means there are right and wrong ways to protest. Someone's right to protest should never infringe on another person's rights. Like what happened last week. Once those people went inside a church, they were no longer protesting they were breaking the law and need to go to jail. Streets should never be blocked. Businesses should never be impeded on. Stand off to the side scream, yell, hold up signs, etc... But injecting yourself into dangerous situations where officers of the law are working is wrong and then rejecting direct orders, resisting arrest, and assaulting officers has consequences and some bleeding hearts get offended. You know what I get offended by. Illegal aliens in our country illegally and committing heinous crimes. Again 1 angel mom is too many and we have thousands. These people that have entered our country illegally have no rights here and must be removed. The state officials in Minnesota are allowing the rioting to continue for no other reason than to hopefully cover up their corruption that was being exposed a few weeks ago. It is sick and people agitating officers working on the betterment of our citizens is disgusting.

Math is hard................... for them.

So should Jan. 6th protestors who unlike this guy were actually assaulting police officers have been killed on that day too?

What exactly were ICE agents "working on" when he was killed? Were they in the middle of an ICE raid or in the middle of arresting an illegal immigrant at the time? Were the protestors actually assaulting them at the time?