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IMO, Allar has the potential to be at least close to another Josh Allen. I'm not saying he will be, but the potential is there physically. Nobody thought JA would turn into the QB that he is when he was drafted but the potential was there. Cole Payton is another guy I'm a little intrigued with.

Allar is the second best QB in this class, imho. I know the talking heads have him going 4th round and later in mock drafts, he is more likely going in the 2nd round, possibly before Ty Simpson. I really don't understand the hate on him, other than 3 years ago he was picked to be a top 5 nfl draft pick pre-season and he disappointed in his stats... There are reasons for that though.

Throwing out his injury year last year, we will compare Simpson's ONLY year as a starter in 4 years at Alabama, to Allar's 3rd year, his best year...

Also, can someone explain to me the NFL.com "Scores" on the combine player pages?
Drew Allar 69 in production, 75 in athleticism = 72 overall
Ty Simpson 69 in production, 73 in Athleticism = 75 overall... Lol, any bias here in order to rank them different on the website?
Carson Beck 80 in production, 70 in Athleticism = 77 overall, but ranked below Simpson
Garrett Nusmeier 63 in production, 72 in athleticism = 70 overall, ranked ahead of Drew Allar

Allar 6'5", 228 lbs, 9 7/8" hands
Considered one of the strongest arms in this draft class
Time to release 2.85 seconds over his career
Attempts: 394
Comp %: 66.5
Total yards: 3327
TDs passing: 24, TD % 6.1%
INTs: 8, INT % 2%
Yards per attempt: 8.4
Yards per catch: 12.7

Rushing attempts:96
Total yards: 301
Yards per attempt: 3.1
TDs: 6

Ty Simpson 6' 1 3/8", 211 lbs, 9 3/8" hands
Average arm strength
So sporadic I can't find a figure over his career
Attempts: 473
Comp %: 64.5%
Total yards: 3567
TDs passing: 28, TD % 5.9%
INTs: 5, INT % 1.1%
Yards per attempt: 7.5
Yards per catch: 11.7

Rushing attempts: 90
Total yards: 93
Yards per attempt: 1.0
TDs: 2

So... if you were just looking on paper, who would you choose as a scout? The offenses were vastly different here with 79 less passing attempts-Allar 16 games to Simpson's 15 games. Penn State ground it out with Two draft worthy RBs leading the offense moreso than looking to the passing game. Allar is more suited to Cleveland Stadium and the AFC North type of offense.

Now, if you are trying to get ready for the dome in 3 years, we can have a different conversation about waiting for 2027 to draft another QB.

Now, add in the fact that in 4 years at Alabama, Simpson has 31 games
in 4 years at Penn State, Allar has 45 games

Drew Allar is also from Medina OH and played in similar weather to Ohio at PSU
Ty Simpson from Martin TN and played in warm weather in Alabama

Too many arrows point to Drew Allar being a better fit in Cleveland.

The only thing holding me back from Drew Allar is his history of injuries and time to release. If Monken tried to use him in a similar way to Josh Allen (also held the ball too long in college), I think he would be on the sidelines way too much.

I feel like Sanders could be used more like Lamar Jackson, than Allar like Josh Allen. I have no idea where to compare Ty Simpson, anyone is welcome to give it a go, maybe Mitchell Trubisky? I can't remember a guy that has been this over-hyped.


Other than INT percentage... where does Simpson have an advantage? Both hold on the ball too long by the way, not conducive to the NFL.

The fact he was drafted #7 overall tells you there were many in the Bills organization that expected him to turn out the way he did.

If Allar is correctly being cast as a 4th round draft pick, that is the definition of no one knowing what he will turn into... He is a project, but could be a future starter. 1st round, expected starter sooner than later. 2nd round, give him a year to acclimate, 3rd round, closer to starter than project... 4th round or later are projects with too many unknowns to predict.

If Allar runs at his pro day and shows no ill effect from his injury last year. I think he will move up quite a bit. He has NFL size and arm. Berry hinted last year if Allar would have came out he would have taken him at #2 overall.

Allar isn't going to run. He isn't going to hack off 30 yards runs either in the league, he is going to get you a 9 yard scramble on 3rd down though. He is healthy enough to do the drills at the combine, 4 months after his surgery. He is a very poor man's Josh Allen, he can't stand in his shadow, but he can do everything he does at a much lower level, which is still more than most in this league. It's hard to tell if he can do enough to matter. He's still a 3rd round grade prospect at best... still, second best QB in this draft behind Mendoza.

That's what I was implying about Allar. He once was projected to be a top 5 pick but then injuries derailed that. He lost valuable game experience so that put him behind in his development. He's healthy now, supposedly, so he has some ground to make up. He still has that potential and that's why I compared him to Allen. He will need time but the physical tools are there.

I know what they are saying about Simpson at the combine, but I watched the entire day, then again this morning, then each of them individually on YouTube, it’s there for everyone to open and re-watch.

1) watch the inside slant drill. The announcers were praising Simpson’s release and throws, but he actually rushed them and was high two times. The receivers made him look good by plucking them out of the air. Put them in traffic and in pads and both could have easily been picks if the receivers made misses the pass or bats it further in the air trying to get to them.

1b) Allar was unimpressive in the same drill earlier in the day. He hit the guys perfectly in the hands, but frankly there is no one in front of him and it’s about the easiest throw you can make in this environment.

2) watch the deep outside posts and the go routes, every single pass the receiver had to slow down for Simpsons balls. Again the announcers praised him for his footwork release and pretty placement, but didn’t once bring up the timing aspect.

2b) Now watch Allar. The ball comes out effortlessly and he placement was absolutely perfect for the receivers in stride, despite two of them dropping the ball. This was Allar’s highlight of the weekend and though I don’t put much into the underwear Olympics, it did reiterate what I have seen on film.

3) Out routes is where I think Simpson shined and one of the harder routes to throw. Two throws were on the outside shoulder and I am giving him the benefit of the doubt that is where it was supposed to be. Hard to do, but utilized a lot in the NFL.

What I obviously didn’t get to see is the interviews and their football IQ which will go a long way in convincing a coach and GM they can digest their playbook and run an offense effectively. I’d like to be a fly on the wall for those.

Please, NO.....Simpson- 15 starts, he was bad against top teams. Allar- 35 starts in Big Ten...he's bigger, has more experience AND will not be taken in first couple of rounds (probably)......Simpson wouldn't be as bad as Johnny Money, but please....NO.

I agree Allar is bigger but saying Simpson was bad against the top teams is an incorrect statement of his play. He had wins against 4 top teams last year, at Georgia, home to Tennessee, in the playoff's vs Oklahoma, and home to Vanderbilt. All top 25 teams and 2 of them were playoff teams. Simpson is a smart kid and the son of a coach. Understands film work, defenses and how coaches want to attack defenses. He also has shown ability to ready college defenses. I like that. He played in an NFL passing style offense. Has really good footwork and arm movement for the QB position. I like all of that that. He is shorter for a QB at just under 6'2. Being over 6'1 his size is not a deal breaker for me, but I do prefer my QB's to be 6'3 or better. Where I am with Simpson is he is steady, but does he have that something special to bring to the team. That I am not sure. He is taller but I felt the same way about Drake Maye coming out. His team was an underachiever his senior year. He was sound mechanically, but did he bring it factor? He did in 2025. I think Simpson's best comp in the NFL is Denver's QB Bo Nix. He is the son of a coach. Smart. Similar size right at 6'2. I was not sold on him coming out but he has done really well. If not for his injury he easily could have been in the Super Bowl this year. I would not be upset if the Browns took Simpson. The further down they take him the better I would feel because I do not see him as a sure-fire franchise QB but if Monken does that would be good enough for me. He has to decide who he wants under center long term this year or next and then his career will be determined with that QB's success.

Not trying to argue because I am certainly not a talent evaluator. I watch Aller play in the 24 season against OSU, 2 other games I don't recall the teams, and Notre Dame in the playoff. He looked less than pedestrian to me but I also didn't care one way or another. It was just an impression I had watching him. So at the beginning of this past season, I was surprised to see he was rated so high. Then I looked up his 2024 stats. He was horrible against "good teams", but had awesome stats against average and weak teams. Did a little more research and found out his completion % against "good teams was 48%. Again, I am not an evaluator, but he disappeared in big games. That was 2 seasons ago, but this past season he played 6+ games and his stats were average when those games are combined. I know stats aren't everything and it's just my opinion based on a few big games in 2024.He may end up being a great to good QB, time will tell.

I think you are misunderstanding, I am not advocating for Drew Allar to be drafted by us. I am just making the argument he is the second best QB in this draft. That’s how bad this draft class is. They want to elevate SOMEONE, ANYONE, to a first round QB… that guy isn’t in this draft.

I don’t disagree with anything you said, that’s why he’s a 4th round grade. I don’t want him, but I also don’t want any if the others I have rated below him.

I would pass on Murray too. Didn't they have to put a clause in his contract for him to watch game tape? That's a huge red flag if true.

Make that 3! I want nothing to do with him.

LOL, that clause was because he is such a gamer, that's all he did in his spare time and even in the locker room. Apparently, when he was logged into game film, he was also caught playing games while being logged in. The guy has millions of dollars, but doesn't really care about the game. Sound like anyone else we are familiar with?

Aren't many other options, but I agree, it still isn't one I want to explore.

How about the QB from Vanderbilt Diego Paiva? He's 5'9" 1/2, cocky and is being mentored by Johnny Football. That sounds perfect for us. Some guy out there that knows nothing about football will probably tell us to draft him. Beautiful!!!

Please no!!! We already have Gabriel on the roster. Having one QB that is too short and not having an NFL caliber arm is enough at one time.

But didn't you know that having a short QB only serves to help the other players feel even taller and stronger? The amount of confidence this exudes to the rest of the offense can't be overstated!

Yep. Bring back the jump pass and we're right back in this!

We could also have a short QB wear platform shoes like the ones that were in style in the mid to late 70’s you know like in Saturday Night Fever! That would be unprecedented and right up our alley!! We are known as a franchise of firsts right?