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Not sure what all the tit-for-tat is about Russia helping Iran. I can't work out if you are arguing or agreeing.

Iran supplies/supplied Russia with lots of drones in their war against Russia. Iran is one of Russia's top allies along with Belarus, China, India, and North Korea. Of course they are going to help Iran kill Americans. Based on history ... Putin will probably tell Trump that it's not true and based on Ukraine talks and the 2016 election, Trump will believe him over his own US intelligence community.

What I think are some of the bigger issues -

1. The war is illegal based on international law. Maybe that's not a big deal to some but I think it matters. From the web - Winston Churchill, along with U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt, initiated the foundational principles of the United Nations through the Atlantic Charter in August 1941, four years before the war ended. This joint declaration outlined a postwar world of international cooperation and self-determination, serving as the blueprint for the formal UN Charter signed in June 1945 --- this has been the basis of peace for 80 years. What trump (and Israel) are doing undermines this and makes the world less safe. Like the actions taken against Venezuela - it empowers Russia with former territories USSR. It empowers China with Taiwan. It breeds future hatred of the West by Iran.

2. This is a war of choice. There is no compelling reason to go to war with Iran. There is no imminent threat.Iran being bad actors is not a justifiable reason to go to war. After Venezuela I looked up how many dictatorships there are in the world. It's nearly 100. You want to go regime change all of them? Madness.

3. We did this with Iraq - it was a disaster that made the world LESS safe than it was before we went in. Thinking democracy and a stable country and government will spawn from reigning death and destruction from the skies is lunacy. Apparently the European leaders are more acutely aware of recent history and what a disaster Iraq was than the US. "you break it you own it" ... what follows is all on the USA and Israel. Anyone thinking this is going to have a positive ending is deluding themselves. Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan - all examples of the USA trying to police the world and failing miserably. And all of those examples were carried out by administrations that were more thoughtful and strategic than the idiot currently in the WH.

4. Iran - a country of 90 million - is unlikely to capitulate. Who knows how long or how many deaths will result from this war of choice. US personnel, allies, Iranians. . . I see the usual fake Christian cheering this action on. 75 thousand deaths of mostly innocent women and children in Gaza wasn't enough to satisfy their blood lust.. so on to Iran.

5. How many refugees and asylum seekers is the USA willing to take after we've bombed cities and displaced mass parts of the population? None. But it will create another humanitarian crisis in the middle east and across Europe. Just wait for the numbers of assylum seekers to sky rocket as they flee a country being ravaged by war. And then listen to all the right win politicians talk about how countries should keep them out. Hell we already have Trump and Vance criticising EU countries for their immigration policies. Just a little ironic how the USA is going to create 100,000's more for the region to deal with.


I'll ask again - what does success look like? In a month from now. A year? 5 years? .... what other countries do you want to add to the list where you support Americans implementing regime change?

It seems people forget we have been dealing with the Iranian problem for over 45 years. I am glad we finally took the position that enough is enough.

I am glad we are taking the position to put an end to it once and for all. This is far better than releasing tens of $billions back to them. That was idiotic.

After 45 years, a week at this point isn't too long. Some people need to quit their beaching and jump back to the American side.

To add, I was just clicking.

Country Joe and the Fish,,,,,,, Epic

There is a time and place for Business execs.. Business can be kinda cold. Has to be. But in Government, by the people for the people isn't the same. We pay taxes for the government to help us, not own us.

. Just my opinion Peen .... But this comment shows you just how much you've been groomed and conditioned how to think. The idea that it's Un-American to question the legality of this war and what it means, asking hard questions somehow puta you on the other side? That is just so wrong on so many levels.

You said one week. You're absolutely in cloud Cuckoo land. This thing is going to be going on in 6 months time. And longer.

Life is precious.

Yet once again politicians decide that innocent people dying can somehow be justified in the year 2026.

Ukraine, Iran, the middle east.

The end game is unknown. Is anyone safer as innocent people are bombed to death?

Some people learn better through visual aids so I thought that may help. It appears not to be the case.

That's a very odd thing for you to say. Russia invaded Ukraine and trump's answer is to reward them with parts of Ukraine. Russia gives Iran intel through their satellite system to target our troops and not a peep from any of you. FATE is actually trying to play it off as if it's nothing to defend and downplay the actions of Russia. That sounds a lot like Russia's side. If that's what you call "The American side" have at it.

If you think the actions of trump always represent "the American side" I think you are sadly mistaken. Trump ran on no wars and spoke against regime change. Was he on America's side then or is he on America's side now. You people need to make up your minds. It can't be both.

Somebody "defended" Russia's actions??

Go ahead and point out that post.

What word would suit you best? Dismissed it? Downplayed it? Mocked it?

Not so much as one word was uttered by this administration to admonish Russia for their actions and you've been acting like that's perfectly fine. So you can call that anything you like. It's all posted here.

So you say that blowing it off as if it was nothing isn't a form of defending it? Well alrighty then.

What do you want them to utter?????????????????

It appears nothing works for you.

It seems in trumplandia their silence is supported.

So you think that a nation aiding our enemy by supplying our enemy with our troop locations and satellite intel which directly threatens the life of our troops should be met with silence?

What happened to you man?

What.
Should.
He.
Say??

You have your panties all in a bunch, but you refuse to answer the question.

Here, maybe this is easier.

You seem like you would be a great world leader. What would you say??

I've stated many times that I'm unqualified to be president. That however doesn't mean the man that is currently president is qualified to be president either.

I don't have a staff that prepares statements and the proper response to people aiding our enemies. But according to you it seems there shouldn't be one.

Here's what I do know. If any judge rules against trump he calls them "radical left judges" even if they were appointed by a Republican president. He attacks people within his own party any time one of them vote against his policies. He calls every member of the house and senate who are democrats names. He has called every leader of foreign nations he dislikes names. But only the weak nations.

He has supported Russia's side in peace negotiations with Ukraine by endorsing almost every demand Russia has asked for. He has taken Putin's word over our own intelligence community.

Maybe if Putin had said trump's hair looked bad or that trump was fat trump would have spoken out against him. It seems like trump cares more about being offended or questioned than he does about Russia sharing intel that threatens the lives of our troops.

Sooo.... what should he say.

You've made two-days-worth of posts about Trump's silence with responses like "It seems in trumplandia their silence is supported".

C'mon man, you have to be able to think of something.

And you've spent two days defending him saying nothing about Russia sharing intel with Iran that threatens the lives of our troops. Your point is?

I've explained this to you quite clearly. Yet you have zero response to that searching for some gothchya moment. Maybe you should try to defend your position that trump should say nothing about the acts of a foreign nation aiding our enemy by sharing intel that threatens the lives of out troops? But really you can't can you?

Maybe you should explain the chain of events and pattern where trump has supported Russia's side in peace negotiations with Ukraine by endorsing almost every demand Russia has asked for. He has taken Putin's word over our own intelligence community. And now this.

But you won't. You instead think it's up to me to prepare a statement that should be put out by our government.

So, you have neither the brains nor balls to come up with a single sentence for the very thing you've peed your pants about for two days.

And, again, you wonder why no one posts in your troll palace anymore. You've literally, singlehandedly, ruined this board with the same daily wash/rinse/repeat.

What a miserable life. 🤣

I ruined it for you and your kind. Once trump was elected there was nothing left for you to do other than make up fake BS and resort to typical trumpian type ignorance like this....


And now you come here in your desperation and rather than call for him to do the right thing you throw a trumpian like temper tantrum defending the indefensible.

Of course you blame me for calling trump and his cronies out. Of course you blame me for expecting at least some modicum of accountability from this administration.

But in your usual cowardly act of desperation you have no defense of him and act like pointing out what he's doing and saying, or not saying as the case may be, is somehow me invading and ruining what you once considered your own little cocoon.

You have no answer for any of this.........

Trump is siding with Putin in regards to giving him what he wanted on peace talks with Ukraine. Trump took the word of Putin over our own intelligence community. Now he remains silent as Putin supplies Iran with our troop locations endangering the safty and lives of our own troops.

All facts. And you got nothing.

Put on your big girl panties and stop acting like a 10 year old.

Aw, no defense nor addressing any points made. But hey, you got memes!

My 12 year old nephew does that too.

Meanwhile back to the topic beyond the senseless noise......

India allows Iran war ship to dock safely.....

Every time I hear Hegseth it gets worse. He sounds like such an infant. Just shocking.

https://share.google/ler8cfo04KRZjQVcp


Trump’s ever-changing rationale for war on Iran – how the story has shifted

j/c...

I was referring to it's been 1 week. As for future time, I have no idea. You say 6 months or more. I say so what. We have been dorking around this those people for over 45 years.

There seems to be a pretty large imbalance in that timeline.

Yes, we had their unclear program under control of on a 15 year deal. Trump tore it up and played tough guy. Now look where we are. We should all support that.

Leaked spy report warns Trump's Iran war faces disaster
Follow along on Daily Mail's live blog for the latest updates on Iran
By SOPHIE GABLE, US REPORTER

Published: 07:48 EST, 7 March 2026 | Updated: 14:57 EST, 7 March 2026


A leaked classified report by the National Intelligence Council has shed an unfavorable light on Donald Trump's decision to strike Iran, warning that military involvement could be disastrous.

In just one week, tensions have dramatically risen in the region, starting with a joint military operation conducted by the US and Israel against Iran.

The strikes took out Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, as Iran retaliated by targeting US military bases in the Gulf Cooperation Cou

Trump has stood firm on the military attack, but a report completed by the NIC just a week before raised doubts about the US's ability to overthrow the regime.

The NIC is a federal government agency that reports to the Director of National Intelligence. NIC members bridge 18 intelligence agencies with policymakers to provide analytical assessments.

Three people familiar with the findings told the Washington Post that Iran would likely respond to Khamenei's death by following protocols to preserve the regime. Sources said it was 'unlikely' that Iran's opposition would seize control.

Khamenei's successor has yet to be named. Iran's Assembly of Experts and high-ranking members of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps have been tasked with naming his replacement.

The ayatollah's son, Mojtaba Khamenei, is rumored to be assuming the role, but Trump has previously called him 'incompetent' and a 'lightweight.'

A classified intelligence report has concluded that it is unlikely the US will initiate regime change. The report was reportedly dated just a week before the military operation began. Pictured above is a suburb of Beirut after Israeli strikes



The Trump administration initially said the strikes were intended to take out Iran's nuclear capabilities, but in recent days has demanded 'unconditional surrender.'

The president has made it clear that he wants a say in Iran's leadership, telling NBC News: 'We want them to have a good leader. We have some people who I think would do a good job.'

Experts told the Washington Post that the NIC report coincides with how the Islamic Republic of Iran operates.


Chilling video leaks out of Iran: Desperate regime floods streets with America-hating mob... as catastrophic rumor emerges about new Ayatollah
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Holly Dagres, a senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, told the publication that bending the knee to Trump would go against 'everything they stand for.'

Suzanne Maloney, an Iran scholar and vice president at the Brookings Institution, agreed with the assessment: 'There’s no other force within Iran that can confront the remaining power that the regime has.'

'Even if they’re not able to project that power very effectively against their neighbors, they can certainly dominate inside the country.'

Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, Iran’s Parliament speaker, defiantly denied that Iranian leadership would cooperate with Trump's demands.

'The fate of dear Iran, which is more precious than life, will be determined solely by the proud Iranian nation, not by [Jeffrey] Epstein’s gang,' he wrote on X.

Trump may have called Putin to see if he agreed with our intel community first.


Our foreign policy in a single sentence. He thinks that describes everyone but himself.

Two ships owned by an Iranian company that the United States has accused of supplying material to Tehran’s ballistic missile program departed a Chinese chemical-storage port this week laden with cargo and headed for Iran, according to a Washington Post analysis of ship-tracking data, satellite imagery and Treasury Department records.



The vessels are part of the Islamic Republic of Iran Shipping Lines (IRISL), a state-owned company under U.S., British and European Union sanctions that has been described by the U.S. State Department as the “preferred shipping line for Iranian proliferators and procurement agents.”

The Shabdis and the Barzin — which can carry up to 6,500 and 14,500 20-foot-long containers, respectively — had docked at the Gaolan port in Zhuhai, a city on China’s southeastern coast. Experts told The Post that Gaolan is a loading port for chemicals including sodium perchlorate, a key precursor for solid rocket fuel that Iran desperately needs for its missile program.

A dozen other IRISL ships have visited the port since the start of the year. But experts said it would be notable for Beijing to allow any vessels to depart in this moment bound for Iran with weapons-related material as they expected China — America’s chief and most powerful strategic rival — to be wary of such an action while the United States and Iran are in direct combat.



“China could have held these vessels at port, imposed an administrative delay, invented a customs hold — any number of bureaucratic tools, but didn’t,” said Isaac Kardon, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, to The Post. “That’s a deliberate policy choice made during an active war in which Beijing publicly calls for restraint.”

Although IRISL operates as a large commercial carrier, Kardon said the circumstances of these shipments strongly suggest the cargo is sodium perchlorate. “Given the track record, the most parsimonious explanation is that they’re loading the same commodity they’ve been shuttling for the past year-plus,” he said.

The Chinese Embassy in Washington did not respond to messages seeking comment.

The Pentagon, the White House and the U.S. Treasury Department also did not respond to requests for comment.


The Barzin arrived Saturday at the Gaolan port. Based on how deep the ship was sitting in the water when it departed Monday, it appeared to have taken on cargo. That data point, which is contained in ship-tracking data and is known as draft, also suggests the Shabdis took on cargo between the time it arrived Wednesday and when it departed Thursday. The maritime intelligence firm Pole Star Defense independently verified The Post’s draft analysis.

“The Gaolan port hosts some of the largest liquid chemical storage terminals in south China,” said Miad Maleki, a former U.S. Treasury official who worked on Iran sanctions efforts and is now a senior adviser at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.

Maleki said that based on the history of transfers of the chemical from the Gaolan port to Iran, the involvement of IRISL, and the movements of the Barzin and Shabdis, his assessment is that the two vessels now in transit are carrying sodium perchlorate.

As of Saturday, the ships were in the South China Sea, according to AIS data, which provides real-time information about vessel position, draft, speed, course and destination, among other details. The data was provided by the global intelligence company Kpler.

The Barzin has dropped anchor off the coast of Malaysia. Its destination remains the port in Bandar Abbas, some 4,000 miles away, where it is expected to arrive next Saturday. The Shabdis is currently sailing, with about 4,500 miles to go, and is expected to arrive at Iran’s Chabahar part on March 16. Both ports are in the Strait of Hormuz and host major Iranian naval bases. Satellite imagery from Monday shows black smoke spewing from multiple sites after Bandar Abbas was struck in the U.S. and Israeli barrages that began last weekend.


© European Union, contains modified Copernicus Sentinel data 2026, processed with Copernicus Browser
Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control announced sanctions last year aimed in part at interrupting Iran’s ballistic missile production, with a focus on stopping the flow of sodium perchlorate and dioctyl sebacate from China to Iran. Sodium perchlorate is used to produce ammonium perchlorate. Ammonium perchlorate and dioctyl sebacate can be used in the solid propellants that power ballistic missiles.

The United States has for years accused China of providing its ally Iran with missile-related technology and materials. Beijing has often denied direct assistance and said the U.S. accusations overstate commercial or dual-use trade. Sodium perchlorate has a narrow range of civilian uses beyond rocket propellants and fireworks.

If the ships that departed Gaolan port this week are carrying sodium perchlorate, that would be a departure from China’s previous approach to balancing its interests in the region, said Grant Rumley, a senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

“With missiles and drones raining down on gulf states, any show of support like this towards Iran risks souring China’s relations with a number of gulf countries,” he continued. “It’s an uncharacteristically bold strategy.”

The other 12 IRISL-owned ships that have visited Gaolan port since the start of the year all docked at the same terminal as the Barzin and the Shabdis, and draft changes suggest all but one picked up cargo. Several — like the Barzin — are known sodium perchlorate haulers, according to experts and media reports citing intelligence agency assessments and satellite imagery reviews.


The Basht sits at Gaolan port in Zhuahi on Feb. 19 around the same time the Hamouna and the Shabdis are captured in the ocean just outside the port, satellite imagery shows. The Arzin, a fourth ship owned by IRISL, is also captured in imagery just outside the port on Feb. 15.
The Basht sits at Gaolan port in Zhuahi on Feb. 19 around the same time the Hamouna and the Shabdis are captured in the ocean just outside the port, satellite imagery shows. The Arzin, a fourth ship owned by IRISL, is also captured in imagery just outside the port on Feb. 15.
© Planet Labs/Planet Labs
Some of the ships cycled through Gaolan port on a nearly daily cadence during a one-week period in mid-February as U.S. forces amassed near Iran and a second round of nuclear talks ended without a breakthrough.

Draft analysis indicates that many of the vessels unloaded their cargo at Iran’s Shahid Rajaee port, which handles the great majority of the country’s container trade. Last year, after an explosion at the port killed at least 17 people, a Post examination of visuals showed the blast was caused by a chemical fire that began in a shipping container. Experts said the color of smoke indicated that perchlorates were present.

AIS data suggests some of the ships lately have been forced to shift their planned routes due to the U.S.-Israeli strikes.

Three that were en route to Bandar Abbas — the Hamouna, Abyan and Arzin — changed their AIS destination to the “high seas” after the strikes began and on Saturday were near Iranian waters. Another, the Basht, stopped transmitting AIS data Thursday, around 13 miles from Bandar Abbas.

Meanwhile, at least two IRISL-owned ships are on their way to the Gaolan port.

The U.S. and Israel strikes have hammered Iran’s missile storage bunkers and underground depots. “Tehran’s need for propellant precursors just went from urgent to existential,” Kardon told The Post.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ar-AA1XJBrc

Lets see, we gutted USAID last year

pissed off all of our Nato Allies

in 2025, over 1,300 State Department employees, including career diplomats and foreign service officers, were fired or removed. Many including some in the middle east have not been filled or positions that required confirmation even addressed.

Patel gutted FBI counterintelligence team tasked with tracking Iranian threats days before the war.

Joint Chief of staff told trump in the week before the strike that he advised against it due to lack of critical munitions and lack of support from allies and also the inherent complexity would result in US Servicemen casualties.

And the Department of National Intelligence noted that no matter how bad it is for Iran, They are not going to let outside people including the US have a say in their leadership.

Pentagon hits back as Iran's wartime leader makes outlandish claim that US soldiers 'have been taken prisoner' in unhinged rant

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ump-soldiers-prisoner-dead-Iran-war.html

Trump says he’ll help pick Iran’s leader, predicts regime change in Cuba

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/...cuba-and-impatient-with-ukraine-00814292

Meanwhile Iran just named a new supreme leader. No word on if trump was consulted first. I'm pretty sure he wasn't.

Let's see just how bad a Sh*t sandwich Trump just made. No war has ever been won simply from aerial bombardment. If the USA wants to influence the regime change then they will need boots on the ground and it will be guerilla warfare in Iran - worth noting Iran = 90 million population and 630,ooo odd sq miles - about 1/6 the size of the USA. Without boots on the ground - all Trump has done is ensure many more 10's thousands of Iranians will die - and that the replacement for the regime they just removed might be as bad or worse.

And the Fanboys go Rah Rah Rah and spew whatever Faux and Bannon and others tell them to spew.

Iran is approximately 3.8 times larger in land area than Iraq. Covering about 636,400 square miles. Over 50% of Iran is covered by rugged mountainous regions much like Afghanistan.

Syria's Kurds Caution Iran's Kurds Against Aligning With US Against Tehran

By Reuters

Iranian Kurdish ​militias based in northern Iraq have consulted with the United States in recent days about whether and how to attack security forces in western Iran, as the United States ‌and Israel pound Iran with air strikes, Reuters ‌has reported.

But Syria's Kurds warned their Iranian counterparts against partnering with Washington.

"I hope that the Kurds of Iran will not ally themselves with America, because they will ⁠abandon them," said ⁠Saad Ali, a 45-year-old resident of the northeastern Syrian Kurdish town of Qamishli.

"Tomorrow, if an agreement ​is made between them (the U.S.) and the Iranians, they will eliminate you. Do not make our mistakes," he told Reuters.

Syrian Kurdish fighters aligned with the U.S. more than a decade ago to fight the Islamic State group, setting up their own semi-autonomous zone in the territory they had seized from the ultraconservative Islamist fighters.

But in January, Syria's new army under ​President Ahmed al-Sharaa captured most of the Kurdish-held areas in a sweeping offensive. Syria's Kurds called on the U.S. to intervene on their ⁠behalf, ⁠and felt betrayed when Washington instead urged ⁠them to merge with Sharaa's ​forces.

'A NEGATIVE EXPERIENCE' WITH THE U.S.

It remains a bitter experience for Syria's Kurds and a lesson they say should be heeded by Iranian ​Kurds.

"In my opinion, the Kurds in Iran ⁠should maintain a firm stance: they will not engage in any wars within Iranian territory without firm, signed guarantees from the United States regarding the future of these Kurdish regions in Iran," said Amjad Kardo, a 26-year-old Syrian Kurd in Qamishli.

"We Kurds here in Syria, in particular, have had a negative experience with the Americans in Syria, and their abandonment of Kurdish resistance movements."

An Iranian Kurdish source said Kurdish leaders did have concerns about being "betrayed" like the Kurdish groups in northern Syria.

The source ⁠said Iranian Kurdish leaders had requested guarantees from the U.S., without saying what they were.

U.S. President Donald Trump told Reuters ⁠on Thursday it would be "wonderful" if Kurdish forces crossed the border from northern Iraq into Iran, but declined to answer a question on whether the U.S. would offer them air support if they did so.

On Saturday, he appeared to switch positions, telling reporters he doesn't want Kurdish fighters going into Iran.

'EXERCISE CAUTION,' SYRIAN KURDS SAY

Ahmed Barakat, head of the Kurdish Progressive Democratic Party in Syria, told Reuters that Iranian Kurdish forces should exercise "extreme caution".

Barakat said the decision was ultimately up to them, but he believed that "accepting the invitation of the United States and being considered the spearhead in confronting or weakening the Iranian regime is not, at present, in the best interest of the Kurds of Iran."

Israel has been holding its own talks with Iranian Kurdish insurgent groups based in the semi-autonomous region of Iraqi Kurdistan for around a year, ⁠Reuters reported last week.

The Kurds are an ethnic group which was left stateless a century ago when the borders of the modern Middle East emerged from the collapsing Ottoman Empire.

Mostly Sunni Muslims, they speak a language related to Farsi and are concentrated in a mountainous region straddling the borders of Armenia, Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey.

In Iraq, they inhabit three northern provinces led by their own regional government. But in other countries - ​Iran, Turkey and now Syria - their dreams of an autonomous region or state have remained out of reach.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...-against-aligning-with-us-against-tehran

.Does anyone find it disgusting and disrespectful that trunp wore a baseball cap at the dignified transfer of the 6 dead. I do.

Hat? Not so much.





#fauxoutragephonies