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Originally Posted by ScottPlayersFacemask
Milk’s drinking buddy even got to say hi at the end brownie



He's such a schmuck, lol.

I guarantee he's one of those boobs that calls his father-in-law "dad."

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One thing I do like more and more each day is.. Monken. However, I don't know if Monken has ever developed a great WR. Flowers is a 1000 yard receiver that doesn't catch TDs. Is that who Concepcion is going to be?

Yards are great, but points win games.

I hope Christian and Callie can get everything out of Concepcion. Fannin came into the league like a wrecking ball, maybe they can do the same for KC.

I watched about 1-2 minutes of a Monken presser I assume was after both of our selections. His answers were short and to the point. I love that. I don't need a 5-paragraph answer that required a thesaurus to describe how you feel about something, especially if the question is basically a yes/no. Same as in coaching. Get to your point and get the work done.

I'm listening to Fano/Concepcion dual presser right now... It is a blessing that Concepcion can play football, because he doesn't have to speak while doing his job. Um, Hi, um, ,my name, um, is um, KC, um... Oi...it is really hard to listen to... I don't recommend it if you haven't already.

I think he might have a stuttering issue and that might be his coping mechanism. He repeats words a lot in his sentences.

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Could say the same for about 90% of those drafted last night in the 1st round. He also is an acknowledged stutterer.

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I was about to say, it almost seems like an extreme anxiety issue maybe. I wasn't aware that he had the stuttering issue.

Like I said, it doesn't really matter. Has nothing to do with football. I just feel bad for the kid. Limit his press time if it bothers him.

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That was mentioned in Milk's post earlier in this thread:

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthre...4-texas-a-m-wr-kc-concepcion#Post2136779

"Concepcion grew up with a stutter. He has been open about his experience, including being the target of bullying, and spoke about it at the NFL combine."


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KCC wrote a letter to GMs.

It’s an awesome read.


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Originally Posted by ScottPlayersFacemask
KCC wrote a letter to GMs.

It’s an awesome read.


I was just about to post this since IrishDawg was not aware of Concepcion's stuttering problem and the letter he wrote.

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Originally Posted by ScottPlayersFacemask
KCC wrote a letter to GMs.

It’s an awesome read.


Wow. Absolutely loved that. And it feels authentic and written by him. Kudos. I'll root for him even harder now.


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Good stuff, KC.

Welcome to CLE - make it happen.

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KCC wrote a letter to GMs.

It’s an awesome read.


Wow. Absolutely loved that. And it feels authentic and written by him. Kudos. I'll root for him even harder now.

Me too. Wow!!

I gotta be honest. This has been a long journey for us as fans as well. After the Baker debacle, one thing became clear in my head, I just want someone to root for. Baker was someone to root for, Watson was not. That was the biggest gut punch.

I'll never belittle a championship, but we'll barely remember the "trophy", we'll remember the journey it took to get there.

Every season is another chapter. This one, we've clearly just added a fan favorite and someone you'd have to be crazy not to want to root for.

Fantastic read (and very well written). Everyone should take the time. I read it once and then read it again to my wife and son. I'm glad we know his story. I'm glad he's ready to show the world.


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From the above Tweet...

"And yes, the second-highest drop rate (7.4%), but if that's your point of emphasis, I think you'll always miss the forest for the trees at this position. If everything else translates, you live with 7-8 drops in a season because the plays you make outweigh the plays you don't."

This is the exact point I made about Josh Allen coming out. Even if his completion percentage never improved, everyone should be willing to trade 2.3 incompletions per game for everything else he brought to the table.

In this case, it becomes a problem when the drops are chronic and at all the wrong times.


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I agree Fate.

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Originally Posted by ScottPlayersFacemask

I was listening to his initial presser with Spencer and noticed the repeat words/phrases. My first thought was, is this guy nervous. Then I thought I remembered one of our "draft target" stuttered pretty severely. I think it is a sign of character that he fought through the problem and the bullying. He quickly became one of my favorite players on the team. I will be rooting hard for K C.

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Just watched the film on all of KCC's drops (19 throughout his career), his separation and some of the catches that shows he can make the tough catches.

Regarding his drops, this in my opinion is really overblown. He did have a couple where there were a couple blatant drops and that happens. No excuse for those. However, a big portion of them were either hospital balls or really bad throws by the Qb's (at NC State and A&M). I am not that concerned as to what has been said. There were a lot of yards left on the field due to A&Ms QB. On a personal note, thankfully I am not an A&M fan. Their QB was really erratic last year.

There are some things that do need to be taught or cleaned up about his game. I would say this hand placement mostly on slants, arms should be extended, diamond hands with palms facing the balls. He gets into the habit of more of wanting to bend the elbows and bring the ball into a basket or cradle against his body (I hope that is a clear picture for you). Arm extension is one thing, the other is sometimes jumping for balls when it's not necessary. I would add looking the ball in before looking up field, however this is so minimal to the point that NFL receivers do this every so often.

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Originally Posted by ScottPlayersFacemask
He gets into the habit of more of wanting to bend the elbows and bring the ball into a basket or cradle against his body (I hope that is a clear picture for you). Arm extension is one thing, the other is sometimes jumping for balls when it's not necessary.
ouch this describes Braylon Edwards. hope it doesnt turn out the same.


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Originally Posted by ScottPlayersFacemask
He gets into the habit of more of wanting to bend the elbows and bring the ball into a basket or cradle against his body (I hope that is a clear picture for you). Arm extension is one thing, the other is sometimes jumping for balls when it's not necessary.
ouch this describes Braylon Edwards. hope it doesnt turn out the same.


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I did think of Braylon too - who could make the tough catches and then just drop the simple ones thru lack of concentration or starting up field before he caught the ball. But they are very different receivers, and based on the challenges he has overcome and his letter to the GMs I think the work ethic and attitude will be night and day. With the addition of Boston I love this pick even more.

Fate - agree with you and the comment by whoever talked about the drop rates ... I was trying how to phrase it yesterday but the simple version is getting open and being available "virtually all the time" and the play making he will make outweighs the occasional drop. I was trying to make it mathematical but it's really pretty simple.


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He gets into the habit of more of wanting to bend the elbows and bring the ball into a basket or cradle against his body (I hope that is a clear picture for you). Arm extension is one thing, the other is sometimes jumping for balls when it's not necessary.
ouch this describes Braylon Edwards. hope it doesnt turn out the same.

Over the years, watching "butterfingers", I became convinced he actually had a depth perception problem. He would often react very late and the movement of his hands was so chaotic that it seemed he didn't see the ball till it was very close.


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Many times I have heard that you watch all the tape.

You can measure guys in every way possible but you can't see what is in his chest.

Seems like KC has opened his chest up. Nobody is gonna out work this young man.

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Many times I have heard that you watch all the tape.

You can measure guys in every way possible but you can't see what is in his chest.

Seems like KC has opened his chest up. Nobody is gonna out work this young man.

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Originally Posted by bonefish
Many times I have heard that you watch all the tape.

You can measure guys in every way possible but you can't see what is in his chest.

Seems like KC has opened his chest up. Nobody is gonna out work this young man.

I agree with you. I try to talk about the positives and the negatives. I really liked the pick after seeing more about him. If my post came off negative, it wasn't meant to be at all. I kept reading about his drops, so I had to check out all his drops. They weren't bad at all (except for a couple that were focus related). A high percentage of the 19 were very tough catches. Like a few of us, I posted about his personality and drive (like the letter and his conversation about being a spokesman for his stuttering)

The past two years, Berry has really chose players that love football, high character, and drive. Mason Graham is a hard worker, Judkins hard punishing runner, Schwesinger playing his tail off/playing on basically one leg the whole game, Sanders putting in the offseason work, Fano is a football guy, KCC and his drive, and so on.

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IMO KC may end up being the steal in this draft.

The reason is quite simple. His drops were not "stone hand" drops. They were concentration drops where he was looking for YAC before he caught the ball.

His tape shows him snatching the ball with his hands. He can make difficult catches. His drops are fixable.

What he has you cannot teach. This guy has crazy first step speed. He is going to be deadly in small space.

He has that Tyreek Hill quickness. He is going to get open.

Get open and catch the ball is the name of the game. He will do that.


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I find the Taylon Green pick intriguing. If Todd Monken can somehow harness his talents we could really have a great player on our hands. Tremendous physical abilities and upside!

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He will be used in wildcat formations and fourth downs.

Classic case of "how do you develop raw talent?"

He is a project. I have no problem taking this guy. Why not?

Jalen Milroe and Malik Willis were not much different.

If he becomes a film junkie and learns the game and how to avoid turnovers maybe you have something.

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Absolutely. He may take a few years to develop but that's fine. He's young and a good kid from what I've read and heard. We can even use him as a receiver. Can you imagine a D trying to cover him. KC, Boston and Fanin? Good luck!!!

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I have gone back and really looked at KC.

That is because Greg Cosell whose football expertise I admire said KC is the most dynamic receiver in the draft.

Pay close attention to his first steps. You cannot jam him on press coverage. He can get open in the first fifteen yards no problemo.

I keep hearing Zay Flowers. Zay is 5'9" 180. KC is a hair under six foot and 200lbs.

Watch his returns.

He is versatile. He can attack any part of the field. He can run like the dickens after the catch. That is why he is a returner.

IMO he will be the guy who will impact the offense more than anyone during the season. He scores touchdowns.


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I have gone back and really looked at KC.

That is because Greg Cosell whose football expertise I admire said KC is the most dynamic receiver in the draft.

Pay close attention to his first steps. You cannot jam him on press coverage. He can get open in the first fifteen yards no problemo.

I keep hearing Zay Flowers. Zay is 5'9" 180. KC is a hair under six foot and 200lbs.

Watch his returns.

He is versatile. He can attack any part of the field. He can run like the dickens after the catch. That is why he is a returner.

IMO he will be the guy who will impact the offense more than anyone during the season. He scores touchdowns.


I do like what has happened over the last 2 years on offense.. They have added people who scored TDs in college:
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Quinshon Judkins 50 Tds over 3 years, consistent, 17/17/16 each year
Harold Fannin Jr 22 TDs over 3 years, 11 in his final year
Dillon Sampson 36 TDs over 3 years, 22 in his final year
Dillon Gabriel 189 TDs over his career, 37 his final year
Shedeur Sanders 72 TDs over 2 year career, 41 his final year

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KC Concepcion 28 TDs over 3 years, consistent, 10/8/10 each year
Denzel Boston 21 TDs over his career, 20 of them the past two
Taylen Green 94 Tds over his career, 27 his final season

Now, as they develop into pros, some of these should start finding their way into Sunday score boards.

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To put that into perspective, Removing Gabriel and Green, you could technically have the others on the field at the same time.

The Browns scored 29 TDs in 2024
The Browns scored 30 TDs in 2025

Taking, just the final year of their college careers before becoming a Brown, they scored a combined 111 TDs, that final year.

The AVERAGE team in the NFL scores 40 TDs per year.. If we could get to just that, with our defense, this team could be contenders. Playoff teams over the past 5 years scored an average of 43 to 51 TDs per regular season. So, it is no wonder this team hasn't been to the playoffs the past two years.

The Baker Mayfield years:
2018 44 TDs
2019 38 TDs
2020 43 TDs Playoff year, with 1 playoff win
2021 Injured year 43 TDs

This team has got to get back to scoring TDs.

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Side note, I really hope we don't have him on STs for his first year. He's going to have his work cut out for him integrating into the offense. Whether he/we like it or not, we are so low on dynamic talent in the WR that our rookies are going to be forced into larger roles.


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IMO he is going to get used as often as possible.

Monken wants the offense to score. That is the reason he was hired. That and his work with quarterbacks.

Monken will play guys who will prove themselves during practice.

We added receivers to compete both within the team and against others.

If Watson outplays SS in camp. He will start.

Monken is going to play the guys who he believes gives the Browns the best chance to win games at all times.

He will use every asset.

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Irish if we can get back to that type of offensive production with our D we can contend for the division. I've already been telling friends of mine the Browns are going to make the playoffs next season. They laugh and think I'm nuts, but I am serious. With the weapons we now have all we need is SS to play decent. It may take a few games for all the new pieces to gel but with Todd Monken I believe this will happen.

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We just, as an organization love short WRs and WRs who drop passes.

Got both here.

Ceiling is Zay Flowers, good player but closer to JAG than an All Pro.

Addressed an obvious, desperate need.

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We just drafted Boston who is 6'4".

KC is 5'11 7/8. 200lbs.

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Neither guy has played a snap yet. We don't yet what they are except they are not small.

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Neither guy has played a snap yet. We don't yet what they are except they are not small.

I agree with you. Which has me confused as to why everyone is gushing over the players that were picked in this draft as if they're already all pros.


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We just, as an organization love short WRs and WRs who drop passes.

Got both here.

Ceiling is Zay Flowers, good player but closer to JAG than an All Pro.

Addressed an obvious, desperate need.

In his 3 seasons, Zay Flowers was in the running for offensive rookie of the year (finished 6 as a non-QB,) and then made 2 Pro Bowls. Seems like more than a JAG.

His ceiling is more Antonio Brown, to me.

But, as others have said, KC's not proven at this level yet. We'll see how it goes.


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We just, as an organization love short WRs and WRs who drop passes.

Got both here.

Ceiling is Zay Flowers, good player but closer to JAG than an All Pro.

Addressed an obvious, desperate need.

What??

WR room from shortest to tallest:
KC Concepcion 5'11" - starter
Tylan Wallace 5'11"
Isaiah Bond 5'11"
Jerry Jeudy 6'1" - starter
Cedric Tillman 6'3"
Denzel Boston 6'4" - starter

5'11" isn't short for a receiver, 5'9" is short for a receiver, but there are some in the NFL.

We have no idea what their floor or ceiling is. All we know are the traits we can see on film. If this was Puca Navua's ceiling coming our of college, would he have been a 5th round draft pick? All Berry did was up the odds that we drafted productive receivers, but we have no idea what that ceiling is.

If Zay Flowers IS the ceiling, I will take 1100 yards and 3 TDs all day long... as will I take 900 yards and 10 TDs from Boston. He is here to catch first downs and TDs, but does have the ability to do even more than that, imho.

Get them both going and Jerry Jeudy would make one helluva complimentary receiver.

We haven't even mentioned Fannin...

This could be a really fun team, let's pick up the positivity around here.

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Everyone would prefer a receiver that is over 6 foot and 200 pounds. But if the receiver is a Desean Jackson type they will accept 5'-10" and 175 lbs.

More than one body type can be successful at WR. it not the same as OL or DL.


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Neither guy has played a snap yet. We don't yet what they are except they are not small.

I agree with you. Which has me confused as to why everyone is gushing over the players that were picked in this draft as if they're already all pros.
So, everyone is just supposed to stop talking about the Browns now that the draft is over? No opinions because they haven’t played in an actual game?

Opinions have been formed for over a year on these players and then strengthened or weakened based on this past season and the current offseason.

Not knowing what their career holds doesn’t change the potential you either see or don’t see in the newest players.

If you don’t have an opinion either way until they play a game, what draws you to these message boards in the first place?

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