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Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
How long does a Country have to say death to America before they are believed??? Wait for them to act? That would be stupidity. I do not want to see another 9/11 in my lifetime.

How long can someone keep screaming death to America without acting on it until someone uses it as an excuse for war? The answer? 47 years.


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Again - you are mixing things up. Probably deliberately I do not know.

The issue is not whether Iran is a threat. It is a question is whether Iran was about to imminently get a nuke. Those are not the same thing. Not even in the same ball park.

One is a sweeping generalization - the other is specific and the alleged reason for going to war.

No, the issue is that Iran is a threat. That's the big issue.

How close to a "nuke" ultimately isn't that important. (It's important, but certainly not the only thing of importance.)(and an ICBM is a kind of nuke, not the only kind.) I think they were closer than you understand. It's irrefutable that they were getting closer to a "nuke." They are avoiding observation. And a "nuke" isn't the only way to weaponize the material.They are working with internationally recognized terrorists. Terrorists that have active networks in Latin America. They are already in a "shadow war" with Israel through those terrorist proxies. They do chant "Death to America." Those terrorist proxies they're already using against Israel aren't just based in the Middle East. They have cells in Venezuela (and elsewhere.) They are "on our doorstep." Those terrorist proxies don't restrict themselves to "traditional" military methods. Unobserved HEU isn't as difficult to move concealed as you may believe.

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For the last 4 pages I've been explaining and saying that there is no evidence Iran imminently about to acquire a Nuclear weapon. The reason given to start a war with them.

You tried to argue otherwise starting with how easy it is to make a nuclear weapon ... To which I said arguing that something is easy isn't a good basis for launching a war.

Then we were talking about EU and NATO allies not saying anything about Iran's alleged imminent accusations of nuclear capability and steadfastly refusing to aid what they say as an illegal war of choice.

Now you are pivoting to ... It's all ok because Iran is a threat no matter how close or otherwise they are to a nuke.

As I said a while ago .. your not holding a conversation in good faith. Enjoy your pivots and hypotheticals. I won't engage.


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Originally Posted by Bull_Dawg
Originally Posted by mgh888
Again - you are mixing things up. Probably deliberately I do not know.

The issue is not whether Iran is a threat. It is a question is whether Iran was about to imminently get a nuke. Those are not the same thing. Not even in the same ball park.

One is a sweeping generalization - the other is specific and the alleged reason for going to war.

No, the issue is that Iran is a threat. That's the big issue.

How close to a "nuke" ultimately isn't that important. (It's important, but certainly not the only thing of importance.)(and an ICBM is a kind of nuke, not the only kind.) I think they were closer than you understand. It's irrefutable that they were getting closer to a "nuke." They are avoiding observation. And a "nuke" isn't the only way to weaponize the material.They are working with internationally recognized terrorists. Terrorists that have active networks in Latin America. They are already in a "shadow war" with Israel through those terrorist proxies. They do chant "Death to America." Those terrorist proxies they're already using against Israel aren't just based in the Middle East. They have cells in Venezuela (and elsewhere.) They are "on our doorstep." Those terrorist proxies don't restrict themselves to "traditional" military methods. Unobserved HEU isn't as difficult to move concealed as you may believe.

Pivot

For the last 4 pages I've been explaining and saying that there is no evidence Iran imminently about to acquire a Nuclear weapon. The reason given to start a war with them.

You tried to argue otherwise starting with how easy it is to make a nuclear weapon ... To which I said arguing that something is easy isn't a good basis for launching a war.

Then we were talking about EU and NATO allies not saying anything about Iran's alleged imminent accusations of nuclear capability and steadfastly refusing to aid what they say as an illegal war of choice.

Now you are pivoting to ... It's all ok because Iran is a threat no matter how close or otherwise they are to a nuke.

As I said a while ago .. your not holding a conversation in good faith. Enjoy your pivots and hypotheticals. I won't engage.


The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
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Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
How long does a Country have to say death to America before they are believed??? Wait for them to act? That would be stupidity. I do not want to see another 9/11 in my lifetime.

How long can someone keep screaming death to America without acting on it until someone uses it as an excuse for war? The answer? 47 years.

Your just mad your political idols like the Aho tolah, Modero in Venezuela, and soon to be Castro in Cuba are getting removed. I see enemies of the US being taken out and our citizens being safer.


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What threat was Venezuela to the U.S? What actual threat has Cuba been to the U.S.?

Here's a hint. None.

You can invent enemies any time you wish to make illegitimate excuses to take actions against them even when they were no viable threat to us at all.

What you see is a mirage that has been packaged and delivered to you because you lack any ability to think for yourself.

I actually think these leaders are terrible people.

But then Sadam was a terrible person too. How many of our young men and women died,lost limbs and suffer lifelong PTSD from that war which was based on lies? Maybe it's time to put the troops first and your political idols last.

Let me show you how stupid things you are saying sound like................

You do not love, respect or honor our troops because you want to put their lives on the line by supporting they go fight wars that aren't necessary!

That's what posting dumb crap looks like and that's exactly the way you sound. Only at least there's some ring of truth to this.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Trump destroyed the deal that had open inspections. I already gave you the evidence that inspections were still taking place right up until trump bombed their nuclear sites. The fact you refuse to accept that is a you issue and no basis that anyone else lied. But that's your general premise and has been all along. If you don't like the source or the evidence presented you just label it a lie.

The deal wasn't only with Trump. Trump backed out of the deal to reimpose sanctions. Iran didn't (officially) "back out" of the JCPOA until after the bombing. But, they already weren't following their side of it.
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July 2019–January 2020: Iran rolls back its JCPOA compliance in several steps, including exceeding limits on levels of enriched uranium, centrifuge development, and heavy water stock. However, it claims it will continue to cooperate with the IAEA.

March 2020: IAEA report finds Iran's stockpile of enriched uranium had almost tripled since November 2019, totaling much more than 300 kilograms.

January 2021: The country resumes enriching uranium to 20 percent purity, far exceeding the 2015 Nuclear Deal guidelines.

November 2022: The IAEA director reports Iran produced uranium at 60 percent purity.

February 2023: Uranium particles enriched to 83.7 percent purity are found in Iran's Fordow nuclear facility. [...] A top US Defense Department official warned the country was only days from being able to make one nuclear bomb.
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Yes, inspections were happening, but those inspections were revealing that Iran was breaking the agreement with all those still in the JCPOA, which included Iran.

It's not about liking the sources. It's about your interpretation of what is in the sources being erroneous.


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So you, as person who wasn't even around me growing up has determined that my recollection of my childhood is biased? Do you have any clue just how crazy that sounds? But we get it. Somehow in your mind you know even more than the people who were there. I should have known.

Memory is inherently biased. That's just the way memory works. It's not locked whole and frozen in time in our synapses. "Memories" are constantly rewritten and adapted. Then there's the whole metaphysics side of what your senses are sending to your brain isn't objective reality in the first place. I don't really expect you to understand that.

I also don't think I know better than you about your life, I just know that you are an inveterate liar, with the evidence to support this position constantly growing, so I don't blindly believe your stories about it.


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They were hindering inspections before the bombing.

Speaking of erroneous. But yes, let's ignore that. Shall we call it a lie?

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Memory is inherently biased. That's just the way memory works. It's not locked whole and frozen in time in our synapses. "Memories" are constantly rewritten and adapted. Then there's the whole metaphysics side of what your senses are sending to your brain isn't objective reality in the first place. I don't really expect you to understand that.

I understand now that you have been cornered you're trying to play armchair psychologist and wiggle your way out of your previous assertion. Something you neither have a degree in nor are qualified to do. AKA - Diversion tactic.

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I also don't think I know better than you about your life, I just know that you are an inveterate liar, with the evidence to support this position constantly growing, so I don't blindly believe your stories about it.

There you go again. Trying to undermine my honesty while providing no evidence to support it as per usual. If you're going to keep saying that, often times repeatedly in several posts, at least lay some cards on the table instead of repeating meaningless rhetoric. Your crude attempt to undermine those who have brought a lot of evidence to the table is lame. But we have seen it a lot lately in politics. If you keep repeating the same thing over and over again even when providing zero evidence to support it, people will begin to believe it.

That only works with and for the weak minded.


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