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Before the trade I seen some value in Deshaun Watson winning the QB job and possibly having a good season. I no longer see any value there. I think it is clear and quite obvious now that the Browns are building a team to be competitive before and during the opening of the new stadium. Even if Watson has a good year, I doubt he is the QB for 2029. At this point I think 2026 season at QB is all about Sheduer Sanders. He either plays well and the team wins some games and stays competitive in the AFC North, or he falls flat and the team tanks with SS at the helm. If he tanks the Browns will be sellers at the trade deadline with both Denzil Ward and Grant Delpit. Denzil just like Garrett deserves to be on a winner and by the time this team will win if they are drafting the FQB in 2027 he will be on the wrong side of 30. Delpit could be resigned by the trade deadline, and he is still young enough to be part of the youth movement but if they have not resigned him by the deadline might as well trade him before he leaves as a free agent in the off season if the team is not winning this season.

It looks like the 3rd round pick in the deal is conditional. I'm curious what those conditions are. Are they could go higher conditions, or might not get it conditions? I'm hoping the former, but that can be dangerous as a Browns fan. Haven't been able to track down any details yet.

Right???!!

Dude just took a HUGE pay cut.

Well stated, I couldn't agree more



Same with Joe Thomas or Phil Dawson... It always seems to be that the timelines are off... The final statement is exactly what we need! A worthy QB is the only way we get over the hump. A rookie in 2027 would be on course for a 2029 run. So, this young team they are putting together will be solid veterans right about they time they open the new stadium.

That doesn't mean we have to lose double digit games for the next 3 seasons. Growth and continuity will be key in ramping up for a run.

Not much to see here. The Browns 3rd round pick becomes a 1st round pick if the Rams trade Garrett to a team in the AFC North. It's just a poison pill.

I think the answer to that question is different depending on one may view things. What ones definition of "good" is for example. Is the ability to simply "compete" mean you're "good"? If you compete and lose by 3 points or less in several games are you good? Would having the ability to compete in games but only win 6 games mean you're good? I get those are loaded questions and the answer as I suggested may be different depending on who you ask.

But let's set a standard as a goal of what most people would consider good. Winning your own division would be good staring line for good. Going further than that would be better but we need a baseline with which to define the discussion.

And I won't say the Browns "can't" do that over the next two seasons I just try to look at the likelihood. We don't have a QB on the roster who has shown they can be "good" in a Browns uniform. Will an improved OL help? That all depends even though one would think it will at first glance. When watson first got here we had a very good OL. Did that help? If it did I didn't see it. Would a better running game help with a better OL?

Watson came here in 2022. In 2022 the Browns rushed for 2,490 total yards on 532 attempts, averaging 4.7 yards per carry and 146.5 rushing yards per game. This rushing offense ranked 6th overall in the NFL yet the Browns won 7 games in 2022.

However watson only played in 6 games that year but that's still above his average games per season he has played since hes been here, so there's that. 2023 looked much better but we had Flacco.

So the juggernaut needed to make the whole thing work is a QB which we haven't seen on the roster. Something they don't have. So while we may see improvement this season, "good" may be a hard nut to crack.

For the sake of argument let's say they draft a top rookie QB in the 2027 draft. It's rare that a rookie QB comes into the league and hits the ground running. The speed of the game and acclimating to the NFL is a monstrous task. Their rookie seasons are usually just getting their feet wet and settling in.

Like I said, what defines good varies from person to person. I certainly think we should be seeing improvement because of all the things you mentioned. And maybe I'm a little more cautious about this past draft than you are. As of now it all looks good on paper. As of now there's certainly cause for optimism regarding this years draft class. But as with every draft, you never know until they take the field on game days.

I'm certainly not saying the Browns can't be good over the course of the next two seasons. However I don't believe many of us thinking we should be cautious and temper our expectations are selling them short or overlooking anything.

When you make that kind of money it doesn't hit you quite as hard.

No but...

His $29.2M bonus come September is going to cost him an extra $2.9M in tax penalties.

His average salary of $40M is going to jump from about $1.1M in Ohio tax to about $5.3M in California tax

Over the next 4 years, being in California is going to cost him a starting rookie contract(s) salary per year. Let that sink in, he could pay for Denzel Boston $2.25M and Emmanuel McNeil-Warren $2.09M with the tax difference he is paying, just on his salary.

I find it odd how people are bringing up Myles taxes in California when Myles himself wanted to and agreed to go there. It seems it was a non issue for him. It's almost as if people have veered away from the football aspect of the conversation and taken it in a direction meant for a different forum.

Not to mention that California has a "jock tax" that takes extra from in-state and out-of-state athletes.... and he is full-time in-state, now.

Just conversation dude. No one is making a mountain out of a mole hill...

It's June, there isn't much to talk about.

Cleveland does too

Dude, no one is arguing, it's just interesting conversation. Would you rather you come to the boards and see "0" posts every day until pre-season?

We know the "why", you aren't a revolutionary in information.

There are only 32 teams with 53/54 roster spots in the NFL, EVERY destination is a good destination. There are limited spots to go, very few beg to get out of Cleveland. Great facilities, despite what some outsiders say, it is a great destination city. Very cultural, great night life, yet very family friendly. When players are here, they love it here. Losing weighs on anyone, I'm not taking that away from you. MOST teams are "losers" without a QB. We need to find a QB, not a degenerate that quit on his current team, but someone to grow into a winning organization. This team is set up to win. We have state of the art facilities, an owner who wants to win"maybe to a fault" and is willing to spend what ever it takes to do so. We have a GM that knows how to manipulate the cap structure to maximize those dollars that Haslem gives him a blank check.

Players get PAID in Cleveland. THAT is almost as important as winning.

Bottom line is we NEED A QB.

That isn't happening before at least the next draft, so if you don't mind, we will talk about useless stuff like California income tax until training camp opens and there is something real to talk about...

Walked into a bar yesterday and saw on the TV that MG was participating in the Rams OTAs. Weird that he NOW has time to attend OTAs.

New coaches, new teammates, new system. Makes sense to me.

To your point, though... I won't miss the bi-annual MG drama.

He was sending a message in one place and now he is sending a different message in another place. That's the difference in wanting to leave one place and wanting to be in another place.

Really? At what point and to whom? You see, Myles has already made a fortune and has a guaranteed contract no matter where he plays. Do you really think that money matters since he will make the same amount no matter where he plays? At what point do you think players have enough money but are tired of losing?

In this case he gets paid the same if he plays for a contender or not. So which one would you want to play for?


Yet another poster speaking for the collective we again. Talk about anything you like but football I suppose.

Did you hear that The New England Patriots acquired three-time Pro Bowl wide receiver A.J. Brown from the Philadelphia Eagles? #football

Well, Myles Garrett just broke the sack record.. I don't think the majority of the players lay down, with the exception of Watson, who most of us said would happen.

What's your point?

Because my point is, it's redundant without a QB.

My statement was mainly about homegrown guys by the way. If you are drafted and perform, they don't mess around with you, they extend you.