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We just need to stay away from Sorsby. We've thrown away enough draft capital on mental QB prospects. Let him fall through the supplemental and if he makes it through, then try to sign him as an UDFA and load that contract with all the protective clauses we can come up with..... like, even if someone challenges him to a foot race and tells him to his face that he will lose and he responds "Wanna bet?!", then we can reclaim his entire contract.

This is where I'm at. You bid a pick for him that you don't mind getting nothing for (5th... maybe a 4th, tops). First sign of stupidity, you cut him.

And for the folks saying that'd be too many QBs.... You really don't think we aren't going to see ALL of them start at one point or another this year? Because we will.

Does all of this go hand in hand?

Few questions, let's start with the current QB room

1) Is everyone ok with moving on from Shedeur? Follow up, if so, what is the least you would take and be comfortable moving him?
2) Is everyone comfortable with Dillon Gabriel being the backup or does anyone trust Green to be the backup?
3) Is everyone comfortable with Desaun Watson being the starter, with no contestation?

Moving on...
1) Who is and who isn't comfortable with bringing on another project QB with a gambling addiction?
2) Is gambling worse than having 26 women sue a guy for sexual misconduct? Both sound like addictive issues.
3) What does Sorsby's actual skill set look like separating the negative issue at hand?

Let's start there and work our way up...

Current:
1) I'm not ok with moving on from Shedeur. From all indications he is building a nice rapport with the rookies and Bond. I don't want to disrupt that just yet. I would rather go into the season to see where it goes. If he is playing decent, but doesn't look like he has made some pretty big strides, then move him by the trade deadline and start the rookie QB process early.
2) I am comfortable with Gabriel as a backup, but wouldn't want to rely on him for anything more than spot duty. I have no opinion on Green yet, but would rather have Gabriel than him as backup at this time.
3) I'm indifferent on this. IF Sanders isn't the guy, then I am thinking about the draft any way. There is no universe that Watson is a Brown beyond 2026 season, so if he starts, then Sanders might as well be traded at any time.

Moving on
1) I am not comfortable with spending draft capital on Sorsby. It has as much to do with what I have seen on film as it does a gambling addiction. I do think with treatment, he can overcome an addiction. I just don't see any more in him than I did from Shedeur Sanders coming out of college. Different style of QBs, I am not comparing their skill set, just comparing what I feel to be their ceiling. I wouldn't use higher than a 5th round pick in the supplemental for him.
2) No, it's a pretty easy answer for me on this one
3) Tune in July 10th for his pro day for those that love underwear Olympics. I don't see a QB that makes great decisions. Can that be taught? Sure it can, but I don't think he will end up any better than the best mediocre QB in the league. Is that good enough for us?

It makes sense for someone like Detroit to take a chance on him with a 3rd/4th round pick. They are going to be picking at the bottom of every round until Goff retires. Goff is only 31, so even they might not want to risk anything on Sorsby.

Someone like Tampa Bay who hasn't settled a contract issue with Baker Mayfield yet, might want to think about this. A) Baker will have them competing for a playoff spot. B) Baker has had his share of controversy coming into the league. He could mentor that aspect for Sorsby if they both agree to use that platform. C) They don't have any viable option outside of Baker. I don't know that anyone thinks Jake Browning could be the heir apparent to Baker. Baker's camp has said, if they don't have the contract worked out by training camp, he is just going to play the final year on his current contract and go back into free agency. The Buccaneers would have a full season to see what Sorsby is without much being on the line. If Sorsby is a steal with a 3rd round pick, good on them. If they work things out with Baker, they might still have a decent backup with a 3rd round pick. I would put Sorsby with about as much of a chance at being a franchise guy as Sanders or Gabriel.

Now, if anyone is going to take a chance at a home run vs strike out, I think that will be the Jets. They just drafted Kade Klubnik, but they probably already have a good feeling that he isn't going to be a franchise guy. throwing a 3rd rounder at Sorsby might give them piece of mind at making a decision to take a QB high in the 2027 draft. They would probably be Sorsby's best chance at competing for a starting job in the NFL. Gino Smith is on loan as a NFL starter. At 35 he has played some of his best football in recent years, but also some of his worst. He isn't a long term answer. They don't have anyone after Klubnik of mention, so sliding Sorsby in as the #3 emergency QB would be fairly simple.

I don't think this is a going to be a fight for Sorsby. I think maybe 5 teams at the most put in a bid. With maybe 2 teams putting in anything higher than a 5th round bid.

He's listed at 6'3", let's see what he really measures in at his pro day. If he is closer to 6'0"-1", then he might go undrafted. If he is a true 6'3", someone might go as high as a 3rd, but I am willing to bet he goes for a 4th. Do you think Sorsby would take me up on that bet?

1. I am ok moving on from Sanders. He has a long long way to go, odds are very remote that he will be a bonafide starting caliber QB. He has a carnival that follows him as far as media goes. His work ethic - which I have consistently read is excellent - is his one characteristic I like a lot - as well as his deep ball, which **potentially** suits Monken's offense and the ability of both Bonds and Decepcion.
2. 100% comfortable with Gabriel as a backup.
3. I hate the idea of Watson starting - he's been putrid and he's a sexual predator. But if we moved on from Sanders this might be the outcome. I don't like it but I was forced to accept it before.

1. For a 4th round pick - possibly a 3rd if they really like him based on skillset and interviewing him and believing he can move on from his gambling ...
2. It's not even in the same universe let alone ballpark. Watson has conducted himself in a far worse way. Trying to compare the two does these transgressions an injustice.
3. I have not seen Sorsby play ... I can't comment to his ability.

I don't have any belief that Green is going to amount to anything. Before you wrote your post I was going to say I was in complete agreement with what Oober wrote in his last post.

I agree 100%. Sadly I think the NFL has been tougher on a player gambling than being a sexual predator.

First off,it would be another media circus that this young team doesnot need this year.
secondly,it may all be moot,the Supp.Draft is held at the whim of the Commish,it may or maynot take place.

1) I'd be fine with it, but I also doubt that it happens. See #2. I'd take a 3rd for him in a heartbeat, though, regardless of where that leaves us.
2) Absolutely not, but that said, Watson is our best QB and then we have a bunch of guys that nobody wants to see because if they get on the field, we're going to lose
3) I already assumed as much because unless he REALLY went in the tank, there's no chance that any of the others are close to him


1) I am not in favor of it, at all. Feels too much like Josh Gordon, but without Josh's insane talent ceiling.
2) Context here matters... the NFL will slap you on the wrist for sexual misconduct, it will cut you off for life over gambling, so yeah, gambling is worse from the perspective of wanting a player to be around and available
3) I don't know, but unless it is a SERIOUS and INDISPUTABLE upgrade over the entire roster, it isn't even worth entertaining the idea, in my opinion

How did the Browns get here


If Quincy applied the same standards to everyone involved, his credibility wouldn’t take nearly as much damage. It’s hard to take moral criticism seriously when someone is so focused on the speck in another person’s eye while ignoring the beam in their own.

A young, ambitious player making the biggest decision of his life should not be judged by the same standards as a middle-aged billionaire owner with unlimited resources, total authority, and the power to control every aspect of the situation. That should be self-evident.

The more time passes, the more disappointed I become with the decision-makers involved.

They had time.
They had resources.
They had access to more information than any of us.
Most importantly, they had all the power in the world to handle this situation better.

Think back to 2020 for a moment.

The Browns felt like the team everyone wanted to root for.
The players played with joy, energy, and passion. The fanbase was dancing, singing, and embracing the whole “Corvette Corvette” era. The “Same Old Browns” narrative finally felt dead. Even the touchdown celebrations were so much fun that fans couldn’t help but smile and join in.

Five years later, it’s remarkable how completely an organization can lose its identity.
The Browns team I fell in love with in 2020 doesn’t exist anymore. The culture, the energy, and the connection between the team and the fans have from my part of the world largely disappeared.

All I can do now is hope that one day, before I’m gone, the Browns find their way back to being that team again.