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It's impossible to escape - one win and I'm already on the hope band wagon.
Hoping to see the defense continue to gel - especially the DL.
Hoping to see the OL gel and maybe a little extra help with the run game.
Hoping the 2 rookie WR continue to separate and look as good as they did vs Tampa.
Hoping Fannin is the same dude he was last year.
Hoping our QB play is average or better and that we score 20+ points.
Hoping the penalties go wayyy down.
I don't even need to see them win , the Panthers have been a little bit of a surprise team this year and better than most probably expected, especially on offense ... I just want them to compete hard for all 4 quarters. A win would be an unexpected bonus.
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I am hopeful that as each game is played the team improves overall.
I believe we can compete if we get consistent qb play.
It all comes down to the performance of Watson. Can he show that the second half of the Bucs game was not an anomaly.
I don't even know what to expect from DW. So, it becomes wait and see what happens.
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Some people may disregard the Panthers, but their offense is legit. Young has really come on strong and McMillan/Coker/Hubbard are legit.
Their run defense has been a problem, but so has our run offense.
I think Panthers are dangerous, but let's hope the home crowd propels us
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After last week I don't have a clue how the team will play this week.
Who knows if DW can repeat his performance?
I do have some confidence in Monken. I think he knows how to prepare for a team.
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Can we win this game? If Watson plays like he did against the Bucs then yes.
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Some people may disregard the Panthers, but their offense is legit. Young has really come on strong and McMillan/Coker/Hubbard are legit.
Their run defense has been a problem, but so has our run offense.
I think Panthers are dangerous, but let's hope the home crowd propels us I don't understand how they did that. It was like one day they just randomly decided that they're good and started winning games.
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With this team at this point in time?
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yeah they were bad until they weren't - it was random
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Going into this game I am in the dark.
The last game really caught me off guard.
I don't know what this team will look like this week. Last game the defense looked way better than the week before.
I am gaining respect for Monken. I think the players respond to him.
We have the Steelers and Jets coming up. After five games we should have a good idea if the Browns can actually compete this year.
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Some people may disregard the Panthers, but their offense is legit. Young has really come on strong and McMillan/Coker/Hubbard are legit.
Their run defense has been a problem, but so has our run offense.
I think Panthers are dangerous, but let's hope the home crowd propels us I don't understand how they did that. It was like one day they just randomly decided that they're good and started winning games. I don't feel the Panthers are dangerous. They were 8-9 last season The Panthers were 3-6 away games in 25. Yes they beat the Falcons at home against a 3rd string QB Chicago scored 59 points to their 37 Panthers put up 34 against the Falcons to their 3 They are 1-2 and sitting in the 3rd spot in the NFC South with a .333 PCT The Bears are also sitting in the 3rd spot in the NFC North with a .500 PCT with a 1-1 record The Browns are in the 4th spot in the AFC with a .500 PCT I believe The Browns with the home field advantage, the return of Chubb to retire as a Brown and the new regime wanting to win at home as much as the do gives the Browns the leverage to pull out the win. Like it or not, I believe Watson really wants to win this more than anyone.
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To us, every team should be considered dangerous!!!!😟
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To us, every team should be considered dangerous!!!!😟 The only way to approach a game. Any game can be won or lost. I'll be there rooting the team on. Right now we are a .500 team. About where I expect things with a possible 2 game swing either way. Maybe today is a swing to the positive. Go Browns. Age has a way. Not too long ago I would already be down in the muni lot. Now we will head to the stadium by train at 10. Head in to the stadium at 11 and chill in the club before kick. Life has it stations and I am pretty happy with this station in life. I still get excited on gameday. I was up this morning a 3:30 ready to get the day started.
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To us, every team should be considered dangerous!!!!😟 Age has a way. Not too long ago I would already be down in the muni lot. Now we will head to the stadium by train at 10. Head in to the stadium at 11 and chill in the club before kick. Life has it stations and I am pretty happy with this station in life. I still get excited on gameday. I was up this morning a 3:30 ready to get the day started. The waking up at 4:30 am to be at Dawg Talk Island in the Muni by 6 am Then the Yellow lot then went over to Burklake lot to staying home and enjoying the couch lol I wonder if Joe and Mike are still serving drinks in the club by your section Enjoy your day and the game O'l pal 
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I hope you get to see them win today Peen. We all hope to see a win but you put in the time and dedication.
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Hope you get to see a competent performance Peen.
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huge bummer without Campbell - Coker/McMillan are a tall task
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Fox is showing here that it will be the Chargers vs Bills game on at 1. I hope they switch over to the Browns game then.
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my area hasn't had the browns on once yet, which is pretty crappy
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my area hasn't had the browns on once yet, which is pretty crappy How do you watch it?
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The OL needs to regroup and get on the same page
Watson moved the ball with his legs was good
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not sure why this site is not working for me
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I like that we've committed to the run and also taken some deep shots
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Boston is far to the left as KC settles into the slot. Fannin is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Sampson are split in the backfield as the ball is hiked ... Here we go."
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Boston is far to the left as KC settles into the slot. Fannin is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Sampson are split in the backfield as the ball is hiked ... Here we go."
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Boston is far to the left as KC settles into the slot. Fannin is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Sampson are split in the backfield as the ball is hiked ... Here we go."
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Can we make these guys run laps at halftime? Geeesh.
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We are really really wanting a win today.
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TD!!!!
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Looks like. Got the KC Miami game where I live, so I'm following on ESPN Gamecast and hoping for some updates here.
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I like this brand of defense. We've got Young back there guessing... and getting pretty beat up in the process.
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What is it with all the penalties today? 10 in the first half!!! That's a lot for a whole game!!!!
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The score should be Browns 10
Panthers 0
Refs 3
The Browns were hit with 1 legit and 2 utter BS calls. The Panthers also held on 2 of the calls that went against the Browns.
Truly pathetic.
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Browns have flat out played them.
Great defense.
Total BS calls on roughing the passer cost 3 points.
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That turnover after being hit on the kickoff return initially seemed incredibly predictable.
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yeah, you knew wed never go up two scores
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I didn't like accepting that penalty after Corley got rocked so hard
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our returners run right into the defense
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fannin has a tough time getting his shoulders squared
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Boston is far to the left as KC settles into the slot. Fannin is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Sampson are split in the backfield as the ball is hiked ... Here we go."
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their punter is better than ours this game
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Umpire 131 Mark Pellis obviously doesn't like the Browns or Watson.
STARING at a blatant face mask from 5ft away and didn't want to throw a flag.
There's no place for bias in officiating.
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Boston is far to the left as KC settles into the slot. Fannin is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Sampson are split in the backfield as the ball is hiked ... Here we go."
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Lost all the momentum with that fumble at the beginning of the second half.
Hopefully we can make a defensive stand and get the mojo back. Watson is so so, just need one or two completions to get the momentum back
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Watson sucks. Anything past a screen and he’s garbage. Absolutely nothing downfield
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Our offense will never put a long drive together so when we have bad field position its impossible
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Boston is far to the left as KC settles into the slot. Fannin is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Sampson are split in the backfield as the ball is hiked ... Here we go."
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Boston is far to the left as KC settles into the slot. Fannin is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Sampson are split in the backfield as the ball is hiked ... Here we go."
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Boston is far to the left as KC settles into the slot. Fannin is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Sampson are split in the backfield as the ball is hiked ... Here we go."
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Put Shedeur in!!! We need a spark 🔥
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we have no run game, nothing down field, no protection
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Boston is far to the left as KC settles into the slot. Fannin is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Sampson are split in the backfield as the ball is hiked ... Here we go."
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Boston is far to the left as KC settles into the slot. Fannin is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Sampson are split in the backfield as the ball is hiked ... Here we go."
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we have no run game, nothing down field, no protection Yea, it's not all on Watson but he is missing throws.
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They make plays on just enough 3rd downs to get points. We dont
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Need to put in Dawand for Howard. Was thinking the same thing.
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There have been players open, and Watson has seen them, then he air-mails a throw, or dirt balls it. That's not winnning football.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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Welp......seeing that we cant move the ball at all i would say that may be the knockout blow
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Welp......seeing that we cant move the ball at all i would say that may be the knockout blow Me too. We'll see.
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Why did we draft Graham? What a horrible pick. 
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Wow monken talk about a bone head decision
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Winning is good for the soul. Seeing players reaction at the end of the game .... Think that's wayyy more beneficial to the team than tanking for a draft pick.
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If your talking about the decision to go for it in 4th and 1, I agree with the decision. Make and it's game over. Don't make it and they need to drive down to FG range just to tie it. Kick the FG and then with the kickoff you're probably giving them the ball around the 40. Assuming the FG goes OK.
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Winning is good for the soul. Seeing players reaction at the end of the game .... Think that's wayyy more beneficial to the team than tanking for a draft pick. Amen!
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If your talking about the decision to go for it in 4th and 1, I agree with the decision. Make and it's game over. Don't make it and they need to drive down to FG range just to tie it. Kick the FG and then with the kickoff you're probably giving them the ball around the 40. Assuming the FG goes OK. And Amen again.
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If your talking about the decision to go for it in 4th and 1, I agree with the decision. Make and it's game over. Don't make it and they need to drive down to FG range just to tie it. Kick the FG and then with the kickoff you're probably giving them the ball around the 40. Assuming the FG goes OK. You kick the FG, your up 6. On kickoffs their starting position was around the 25. You make them score a TD. At least we won.
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If your talking about the decision to go for it in 4th and 1, I agree with the decision. Make and it's game over. Don't make it and they need to drive down to FG range just to tie it. Kick the FG and then with the kickoff you're probably giving them the ball around the 40. Assuming the FG goes OK. You kick the FG, your up 6. On kickoffs their starting position was around the 25. You make them score a TD. At least we won. Actually, I liked the call. by going for it, it pinned them pretty far back at the 15 with 1:05 left. If the Browns got the conversion on 4th down, the game is over. If we kicked the FG, we would be up by 6 with 1:00ish left and they would have gotten the ball around the 30. When the Browns didn't convert, Carolina wouldn't be willing to push their luck as hard downfield to win the game because they got to think about being willing to to settle for a FG. If they did settle, we still get a shot in OT to win the game.
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If your talking about the decision to go for it in 4th and 1, I agree with the decision. Make and it's game over. Don't make it and they need to drive down to FG range just to tie it. Kick the FG and then with the kickoff you're probably giving them the ball around the 40. Assuming the FG goes OK. You kick the FG, your up 6. On kickoffs their starting position was around the 25. You make them score a TD. At least we won. Actually, I liked the call. by going for it, it pinned them pretty far back at the 15 with 1:05 left. If the Browns got the conversion on 4th down, the game is over. If we kicked the FG, we would be up by 6 with 1:00ish left and they would have gotten the ball around the 30. When the Browns didn't convert, Carolina wouldn't be willing to push their luck as hard downfield to win the game because they got to think about being willing to to settle for a FG. If they did settle, we still get a shot in OT to win the game. I agree with Frenchy. I feel like analytics are going to agree also. Extending the lead from 3 to 6 with probably around :50 seconds left and the average kick return putting the ball at the 30 yard line. So you would have to drive 70 yards in :50 seconds AND score a TD, vs traveling approximately 43 yards (to get it to their kickers range) in 1:01 and all you have to do is make sure you get it over the line's attempted block. I am sure the odds would be in favor of kicking that situation. I get it, it's 4th and 1... but we had not had a very good running game against their defense... and they ran the ball. Double Wammy. Again, we got lucky and they never got their offense going... could have been the same if we had kicked the FG, but I do think they made it easier on them by not..
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I asked Gemini:
I'm interested in exploring Todd Monken's questionable call on 4th and 1 late in last Sunday's game. The Browns didn't convert but I was all for it.... seems like I'm in the minority.
You are definitely not alone in supporting the analytical view, but you are hitting on why NFL fans and pundits often clash heavily over these late-game moments.
During last Sunday's game against the Carolina Panthers, Cleveland Browns head coach Todd Monken faced a massive decision. Leading 21-18 with just 1:05 left in the fourth quarter, the Browns faced a 4th-and-1 at the Carolina 15-yard line. Instead of kicking a field goal to extend the lead to 6, Monken chose to go for it to ice the game. The Browns were stuffed, and Carolina got the ball back with a chance to win or force overtime (though Cleveland's defense ultimately bailed them out with a late interception).
The reason you are seeing so much pushback from the "majority" comes down to traditional, risk-averse football thinking versus modern sports analytics.
Why Most Fans and Pundits Hated the Call
The standard football logic says you take the points to protect yourself from a touchdown. The arguments against Monken focused on two main things:
• The "Best Kicker" Fallacy: Fans argued that when you have an elite kicker on the sideline, passing up a virtually guaranteed 3 points is coaching malpractice.
• The Fear of Loss: A failed conversion gives the opponent immediate life and momentum. Traditionalists prefer making the opponent drive the length of the field just to tie, rather than leaving the door open for them to win with a touchdown.
Why the Analytics (and You) Are Right
Mathematically and strategically, Monken’s decision was entirely justifiable.
• The Math Supports Going For It: As established by league-wide averages, an NFL team converts 4th-and-1 around 65% to 73% of the time. Kicking a field goal only pushes the lead to 6 points, meaning a Carolina touchdown would still beat the Browns.
• The "Win Rate" is Higher: Advanced win-probability models consistently show that converting a 4th-and-1 in that exact scenario secures a 100% win percentage because you can just kneel out the clock. Kicking a field goal gives the ball back to the opponent anyway, meaning your defense still has to make a stop—it just changes the opponent's requirement from a touchdown to a field goal.
• Culture and Identity: Monken himself noted that his decision was about setting an aggressive identity for a young team. He stated earlier in the month, "I’m gonna be aggressive. I’m gonna play to win the game." Sending the offense out was a direct challenge to his offensive line to win the game on their own terms.
While the execution failed and the run was stuffed, the logic behind the choice is exactly what modern football data dictates. Monken played to win immediately rather than playing not to lose.
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Watching the game there's always those what are you thinking coach moments
You should have went for it
Nooo don't go for it, kick the FG
Punt the dang ball, let the defense hold them
That's the fun of the game
When the clock ran out and the score showed the Browns won
It's YES they WON 2-1 celebrate and enjoy the win.
Monday, get ready to kick the Steelers butts
The would of could of's don't matter anymore
They won't change the outcome of the game
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