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For what it's worth, I think the guy is genuine and the players see him in that light. Good game.. Gotta give props to Watson. Honestly, I didn't think he had it..

I like Bond as well. It just seems like the staff, at least at this point, seem to favor Fannin and the two rookies and they will get the bulk of the opportunities moving forward.

Did a quick AI but it looks legit. Two catches on two targets so far for Bond.

He'll see more turf when someone gets dinged; but I'd like to see a few more reps in the interim.

Isaiah Bond is another talented WR. Our WR room is very deep right now and talented. I'm sure Monken will work Bond in and start giving him more targets. I think everyone including our coaches are surprised at how well our 2 rookie WRs are doing. Bond is a serious deep threat.

There is an embarrassment of riches at WR.

I can't believe I just typed that and meant it.

Exactly and last season we had one of the worse WR rooms in the league. With a very good RT and a very good QB our O might rank top 10 IMO.

I imagine the Jax game is doing the heavy lifting in that stat.

If your would have said that a few short weeks ago, you might not have survived the backlash.

Yeah I'm not sure how Boston fell to us but I'm very glad he did lol.

Looks like the best of the class so far.

I was shocked he was still there. I'm no draft guru by any means but I had him rated quite a bit higher than that. I didn't have him dropping out of round one. Closer to #25 than #39.

Same here, just thought he was a sure fire first round pick with his size and hands.

I was pretty depressed when Tate was taken, but wasn't upset at all about the trade down to get Fano.

Wasn't thrilled with the Concepcion pick, but he has looked pretty good so I am now.

And I was really thrilled to get Boston where we got him, so no complaints.

And I have to admit I was wanting Berry fired a couple years ago, glad I'm not calling the shots on that either. 2 great drafts and looking like he hired a pretty good coach too.

The two of them work together complimenting each other. Smaller guy with (potentially elite) separation skills and twitch, a big guy with a catch radius and strong at the point of catch. I was very happy with both picks and as has been said surprised Boston fell to us.

Fano has been a great pick - and I would have been happy (almost wanted him more than Boston) to take McNeil Warren at 39 and was shocked he was still there at 58. Austin Barber has graded out at 62 so far - has played every snap. Hell of a draft back to back for Berry.

Interesting to see the Browns are +2.5 against the Jets this Sunday.

No Breece Hall, Tim Patrick, or Omar Cooper for sure.

Status of Adonai Mitchell, Mason Taylor, starting guard Dylan Parnham are up in the air.

Geno is an average QB at best.

Vegas is ignoring recency bias and looking at the underlying metrics. Cleveland is overperforming with regards to their record when looking at their EPA/play, turnover differential, net yardage, etc...

Jets = +3 turnover margin

Browns = -1 turnover margin

Jets net EPA/play = +.12

Browns net EPA/play = -.20

Jets net total yardage = +89 yards

Browns net total yardage = -97

I am good to have them stay underdogs. They have been underdogs in all of the 1st 4 and won 3 of those games. Keep the chip on their shoulders as long as possible.

Some great analysis numbers there - Paul Depodesta would be proud, Mac might choke!

I guess this shows the Browns currently having a w/l record better than the sum of it's play on the football field. I'd argue this is where coaching makes a huge difference. I think you could argue over the last 4 previous years we've lost more games we were "ahead" in these types of analytics ... was that coaching also? At times it felt like it? Maybe it was just bad luck?

We might see the Browns regress to the sum of it's average? We might see an improvement in the metrics as the OL plays together, as the rookies learn and grow, as Judkins continues his road to recovery .... and for my money, if Monken can make the team believe - can prevent them from snatching defeat from the jaws of victory when we have the chance for a W ... we'll continue to be ahead of where virtually everyone predicted. It may not be above .500 come January. But 3 more wins from 13 games and we've beaten most predictions. Win versus the Jets and it will feel pretty damn good to be 4-1 no matter how we get there!

I think the coaching the last couple of years had a lot to do with our poor play. Lack of adjustments during the game is right at the top IMO. Poor clock management is another. Our ST play is so much better.

There is definitely a market expectation that the Browns will regress to the mean.

A few examples:

FanDuel still has the Browns at +1100 to win their division, +390 to finish second in the AFCN, +180 for a 3rd place.

FanDuel has the Browns currently at +390 just to make the playoffs and -375 for them to miss the playoffs.

If anyone believes in this team, now is the time to throw some money at them. Just like Jimmy!

I believe they have outperformed expectations "to this point". Does that count?

True, but #ToddMonkenFreed has to count for a few points, no?

Just found out wife and I have to go to Thailand next week. Her mom is really sick and old (upper 80’s), so we have to go, and I will miss the Ravens and Titans game.

Wow. That's a bit different. Go take care of mom. Safe travels, bro.

I have never bet on the Browns until this year. My daughter went to Vegas back in the spring with some college friends and for fun, I told her to put $100 on the Browns to win the AFC North.. My payout would be around $2300 if they pull it off.

I'm not holding my breath, lol... I still expect them to have a top 15 draft pick.