|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160
Hall of Famer
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160 |
Clear...only in terms of how they structure their board..
Usually Phil leaves a little tidbit on players he likes..a name mentioned once, then never repeated..or a hint about a position of need..
Last year he left clues about Thomas then covered it by talking about other players..
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,761
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,761 |
No doubt.......it is more in terms of BPA and how they build the board as you mention.....I agree...I don't think he mentions the guys he really likes very much other then the people everybody likes......It would be a no brainer to select McFadden as an example if he fell....even if we were drafting in the 15 slot.
Any mention of Thomas last year didn't, or wouldn't matter much...everybody knew he was a top 5 pick...and as high as we were, we really didn't have to worry much about people moving ahead of us....at #53 or whatever we are this year, that could be more of a worry, so we will probably see less talk from him on those players in that 45-60 range.....guys ranked high enough and realisticly expected to be on the board....at least some of them.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong ![[Linked Image]](http://www.dawgtalkers.net/uploads/small-gator-chomp.gif)
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,475
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,475 |
"just understand this is a message board. Things are said. What sounds like a personal comment shouldn't be taken in a personal way."
Ummm, somebody just called his son a Scum Bag - you telling his dad not to take it personal...lol 
"I don't know what is and isn't true about your son in regard to his experience at USC."
I see so getting the feedback from somebody who lived the situation can't put any enlightenment on the subject. 
Lets see Savage is a lying SOB cause he states that building this team with strong character and EW is the proof of it. But all socialogical studies and patterns of no repeat offenses or accusations are not to be considered in the process.
Even if EW made a mistake at 18 - to state this is his all being and character now as a young man and defines him makes Savage and RAC liars to their claim. The imagination and views spewed by one poster derived from a couple of paragraphs of media overides the many interviews one on one with the young man and research from our investigators regarding his past. Oh and we are to ignore the opinions of a family member who actually EXPERIENCED from beginning to end.
Vers is a very agenda poster who has some credibility on this board - He will lurk waiting for EWright to mess up ever so slightly in any capacity...on the field and off and will bring his agenda into it. Sorry I don't respect a person having that strong of an opinion made from an occurrence that happened when he was a teenager...might or might not have happened. And state emphatically he is a Scum bag and Savage is a liar regarding his Character format...and remember RAC signed off on the pick as well. And he's about as high standard on character judgment as there is.
JMHO - btw 07pick53 dad...Welcome to the board - please post more often - and give us your insight in some matters...within reason considering your position with a player of the team. 
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
Go Browns!
CHRIST HAS RISEN!
GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,761
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,761 |
Quote:
Ummm, somebody just called his son a Scum Bag - you telling his dad not to take it personal..
That's what I said...
Quote:
I see so getting the feedback from somebody who lived the situation can't put any enlightenment on the subject.
I didn't really see any feedback.......just a dad saying 90% wasn't true.....I have learned over the years family doesn't always give a unbiased report.
I did see some veiled threats...that isn't cool.
Now, with that said......I made mention of the comment by Vers long before Pops showed up.....so quit trying to make it sound like i am not in Wrights corner here.....if you put your thinking cap on, I was supporting the kid during last years draft....and it wasn't just Vers who said the kid was a BIG risk...
Just wanted to get the facts out there.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,819
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,819 |
Quote:
I see so getting the feedback from somebody who lived the situation can't put any enlightenment on the subject.
I'm not getting into this whole debate again with the exception of this one comment. You can choose whatever you want to believe. I don't see how getting feedback from the father of the kid accused is all that credible. I'm not saying the guy would lie to protect his son, but I know I wasn't always forthright (sp) with my parents when things happened.
The fact is he isn't putting any real light on the subject other then saying the media is 90% wrong.
The charges levied against Eric were very severe. We all make judgements of people all the time from what we read. Are you telling me you are different than Vers?
If we went and researched comments you made about players from other teams (or even people in the media) are you telling me you haven't made judgemental statements?
Why should we treat Browns players any different than others. just because people are picked by the Browns doesn't ecempt them from critizism we give to other players around the league.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,030
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,030 |
Quote:
I'm not saying the guy would lie to protect his son, but I know I wasn't always forthright (sp) with my parents when things happened.
It's not an accurate source of feedback. Sorry, but there are reasons some of us were concerned with the EW pick, and reasons we aren't sold on him yet. Whether anybody (including Papa) wants to admit it or not, there is a reason several teams took Wright off their board COMPLETELY. I'm not calling the kid a scum bag, but that doesn't mean I believe he still isn't a character risk, becuase imo he is and no "savage is God" speak will make him any less of one.
Hopefully the kid proves me wrong and his troubles are in the past.........but it's stupid to think a significant number of GMs would take a kid off their board if there wasn't at least some belief that he did in fact have a past.
Oh and as Peen said the veil threats weren't cool at all.
Against logic,the most effective armor is willful ignorance.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,030
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,030 |
By the way Pdawg that was one of the best posts on this subject I've read....kudos
We have a lot of guys on here that will and have ripped a guy to shreds on other teams for being accused of half the crap that EW was, but when somebody points out that EW has a past and is a character risk himself they are attacked by these same posters. Wrong is wrong guys, and it doesn't make a difference if he wears Brown and Orange or not.
With that said though, I will give EW some credit.......he has been nothing but exemplary since he got here. As I said before, hopefully the kid has put his past behind him.
Against logic,the most effective armor is willful ignorance.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,618
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,618 |
Is that a threat? LOL
I stand by my comment. I wish your son was not a Brown. You don't like it.....too freaking bad.
"What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us."
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 316
Administrator
|
|
Administrator
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 316 |
You've both had your say now. Let's end it there.
Refrain from name-calling the man's son. Reverse your roles and I'm sure you'd feel the same as he.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,618
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,618 |
I read negative comments about Brown's players all the time. What is the difference? Then the guy threatens me and you admonish me? 
"What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us."
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,761
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,761 |
I guess because it doesn't provoke people into making threatening comments.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,531
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,531 |
Wow I didn't even know we had a Referee6!
Anyway...people do stupid things in college. I see it everyday, and some of it is horrifying to me. I in no way condone what he was charged with as I think it is the lowest thing a man can do (nor do I condone the use of ecstacy)...but I also know how things get twisted in the college world because no one can tell a straight story because most of the time someone is under the influence of something. And I also know how roommates can get you in trouble (my roommate freshman year had a stash of weed and knives...the knives freaked me out and I don't smoke and I was always paranoid about getting charged for HIS stash).
I don't know the details and I'm not going to declare Wright scum, all I know is he's had a spotless record with us so far.
If he was indeed guilty, I hope he's a changed man for it.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 316
Administrator
|
|
Administrator
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 316 |
Negative comments are common. But once a family member enters the equation it's only common courtesy to back off on the name-calling of their loved one. That's all I've asked. You don't have to like the player. You don't have to clam up on your personal opinons. Just be courteous enough to avoid being malicious.
I didn't single you out. Not knowing if he would return to this thread or not I sent him a PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 58
Rookie
|
|
Rookie
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 58 |
Quote:
Just clicking...
I hope that Savage, Crennel and Mel Tucker were watching the performance of the Giants defensive line last night against the Packers.
Not just last night either...the Giants defensive line has been playing well all season...against the run and
the pass.
I watched the Giants defensive line in the preseason and noticed they were somewhat on the smallish side but they were fast...fast to the ball on running plays and fast to the QB on passing plays.
Looking back at the Giants season, their defensive line is a major reason the Giants are headed to the Super Bowl. The Giants led the NFL in sacks with 53 and the team they are playing against in the Super Bowl was second in sacks during the regular season with 47 sacks.
Two basic football principles continue to hold true when looking at the teams playing in this years Super Bowl...
Teams that protect their QB...and...
Teams that sack and harass the opponents QB are the most successful teams.
That breaks down to the quality of a teams offensive line and defensive line determines a team's success.
I realize the Giants play a 4-3 defense vs the Browns 3-4 but the basic principle of speed on the defensive front still appears to be the major reason for the success of the best defenses in the NFL, regardless of the defensive scheme used.
Yes, the #1 priority for the Browns in this off season will be the defensive line...but the #1 priority when looking at whom to bring in to rebuild our D-line should be SPEED. ....jmho
Does "just clicking", invalidate your response?.......just clicking 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,761
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,761 |
No....it means he wasn't making a reply directly to you......you can click any poster and it looks like you are responding to them....if you say J/C, it simply means he was clicking a post to make general comment.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 58
Rookie
|
|
Rookie
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 58 |
Thanks for adding that.....did not know what Vers was talking about.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 58
Rookie
|
|
Rookie
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 58 |
Gee, Thanks. Oh, "Just Clicking". 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,358
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,358 |
Quote:
Here's a name to watch as a possible NT as we get close to the draft: Ahtyba Rubin, Iowa State.
From what I have read he has rocketed up draft boards this year and some scouts have given him a 1st round grade, but it seems he'll fall to the second. He has excellent size (listed at 6-3, 326), and has only been playing DT for 2 years. Unfortunately I never watched Iowa State this year, so this is all second-hand knowledge, but figured I'd throw the name out there.
Man I wish the Draft Forum was up!!
Good call from Jan 2008.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 43,030
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 43,030 |
Wow,, you really reached back in time for this one...LOL
It was a good call however..
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,358
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,358 |
The search feature is my friend. If only the old draft forum archives were available  . They are now more closely-guarded than the highly-sought-after All-22 tape. But hey, at least I can access five year old threads on a football forum about Afrikaa Bambaataa and Kiss.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,371
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,371 |
Quote:
07pick53_dad
Wow, all this time has passed and I never knew someone claiming to be Eric Wright's dad registered. 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160 |
uh...U pulled this from 2008...?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,358
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,358 |
yeah i was looking for discussion about Rubin pre-draft (because of another thread where someone was saying we had never heard of him on here) and there were a few people (the quoted urbrowns and others) that had singled him out around the time of the senior bowl.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 7,234
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 7,234 |
I'll tell you what, we land this Beau Bell in round 3 or later and we are sittin' PRETTY . . .
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,358
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,358 |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 43,030
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 43,030 |
Quote:
yeah i was looking for discussion about Rubin pre-draft (because of another thread where someone was saying we had never heard of him on here) and there were a few people (the quoted urbrowns and others) that had singled him out around the time of the senior bowl.
That might have been me using that pick as an example of it not mattering whwere a guy is drafted. The discussion was about Hughes and how he may have been drafted too high.
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,358
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,358 |
i was trying to explain my second epic bump of the week without naming names. 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 43,030
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 43,030 |
Quote:
i was trying to explain my second epic bump of the week without naming names.
LOL It's ok, you could have called me on it. I love Rubin. didn't know much about him before the draft, but my point on the hughes thread was that you just never know if a guy is drafted too high until they play a while. If Rubin had been drafted in the 1st round by anyone and performed as he has for us, he'd still be one hell of a player. But it would have been expected of him. As a 6th rounder, anything you get out of them is considered a bonus..
IN this case, our bonus was huge...
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,579
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,579 |
I was ECSTATIC when we got Rubin just from the little I had seen of him in college. However, I never thought he would be anything better than Ted Washington at his prime: a pure middle-plugger.
I was wrong.
If you go back to 2008, I keyed in on him at the Lions preseason game in Detroit. Even back then, he hustled his butt off on pass plays. Just relentless in trying to get to the passer.
I had no idea someone that big could have that much hustle.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,449
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,449 |
Quote:
uh...U pulled this from 2008...?
I was going to say the same thing!
OMG! A thread from 2008 rises from the Ashes! 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,761
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,761 |
Thanks for the walk down memory lane, and reminding me how I have slipped since then. Thanks a lot!!
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 460
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 460 |
Congrats to my son who just got his his drivers permit............oh wait, what the hell??
"Its too much of a coincidence to be a coincidence"
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 15,979
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 15,979 |
Nice Signature.
That's my random thought from another topic, that was off topic.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
|
|
|
DawgTalkers.net
Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Priority #1- The Defensive Line
|
|
