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All I can base my evaluations on is the body of work he has done so far
Oh,..OK then,....10-5 as a starter 29 TD's 19 INT's 3787 yds passing.
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Yeah, the first time I read this I thought, 'man, it's kind of simplistic and base'...and then when I saw that he wrote both sides of the coin it started to make a little more sense.
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... that would be like saying Ipm a good speller cause in one long post with no big words I spelled every word right .. *LOL* ..
no way that would ever happen  but your point is taken 
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I didn't confuse good with great ... I confused good with serviceable cause good is the word u used .... sorry for not knowing that u meant serviceable when u said good ... *LOL* .. i'll try and not let that happen again ...
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I didn't confuse good with great ... I confused good with serviceable cause good is the word u used .... sorry for not knowing that u meant serviceable when u said good ... *LOL* .. i'll try and not let that happen again ...
I explained why I used good in place of serviceable, and I think the use of the word serviceable in the past on this board justifies my decision.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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I didn't confuse good with great ... I confused good with serviceable cause good is the word u used .... sorry for not knowing that u meant serviceable when u said good ... *LOL* .. i'll try and not let that happen again ...
I explained why I used good in place of serviceable, and I think the use of the word serviceable in the past on this board justifies my decision.
Serviceable = Sucks on this board.
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Serviceable = Sucks on this board.
at least when it's used in reference to DA... 
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Man why does everything have to be so black and white on this board? Why if you think getting a 1rst and 3rd for DA does (and you think that's good and Phil should go for it) that mean you think he sucks?? Or that BQ is god?
I have some doubts about DA. I think he sucks at the touch passes and makes some very stupid decisions with the ball. I think he has a cannon for an arm, and no fear. I worry that pressure gets to him and makes him do even dumber things. I am not sold 100% on him being "our" QB.
I also realize he had an awesome year. His stats were great. He grew up a LOT during the year. He very well could end up being "our" QB.
Still I would have no problem zip, nada, 0 if Phil somehow ended up getting a first and a third for him. I would also not have a problem if that never happens and we go into next year with both QBs on the roster. In both scenerios I think we win.
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both qbs would work fine.
I hope that if we do go with both QBs and Derek stays the starter that if he has one bad game, particularly early in the year that we dont jump ship on him. or turn on him and say he's junk...again.
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Man why does everything have to be so black and white on this board? Why if you think getting a 1rst and 3rd for DA does (and you think that's good and Phil should go for it) that mean you think he sucks?? Or that BQ is god?
Because it's the most simplistic way some can think of to try to label you and lump you in a group to try to discredit your opinion. You mean you hadn't figured that out yet?
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Man why does everything have to be so black and white on this board? Why if you think getting a 1rst and 3rd for DA does (and you think that's good and Phil should go for it) that mean you think he sucks?? Or that BQ is god?
I think everybody wants to see what BQ can do and feel that he'll probably end up better anyway.
Some posters want BQ so bad that they've convinced themselves that DA sucks while others realize what a good "problem" we have and are willing to be patient and let things play out accordingly.
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I hope that if we do go with both QBs and Derek stays the starter that if he has one bad game, particularly early in the year that we dont jump ship on him. or turn on him and say he's junk...again.
actually, that's kind of a given- Isn't it????
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All I can base my evaluations on is the body of work he has done so far
Oh,..OK then,....10-5 as a starter 29 TD's 19 INT's 3787 yds passing.
....Pretty terrible #'s for a first year starter
Thats fine but if you cant perform in the really big ones then its all window dressing.Also its important when those interception were thrown and 21% of them were thrown in the biggest game of the year.
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Thats fine but if you cant perform in the really big ones then its all window dressing.
I know why you're saying the AZ and Cinci games were big. They were,only because DA got us to that point to make them big games in the first place.
Kinda reminds me of the Kevin Mack fumble against the AFC title game against the Broncos .Although he had a great season that one play clouded his whole carreer.
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Mac was a consistantly good runner ...key word..consistant..
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Mac was a consistantly good runner ...key word..consistant..
Macks best season was his rookie year followed by a steady decline in his production through his subsequent years.
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Thats fine but if you cant perform in the really big ones then its all window dressing.
I know why you're saying the AZ and Cinci games were big. They were,only because DA got us to that point to make them big games in the first place.
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So what your saying is its allright to take us up to a certain point,and then it doesnt matter if he cant finish ???????
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Some posters want BQ so bad that they've convinced themselves that DA sucks while others realize what a good "problem" we have
See, here we go.
Name ONE POSTER who has said "DA sucks". Good luck with that. What you are doing is putting words in the mouths of others.
What I have seen is people that point out his obvious weaknesses. I have seen people question, given his athletic ability, the likelihood of him maturing and outgrowing those deficiancies. But he sucks? Who said that? Nobody I've seen...........
Good problem? No, it's a pure gamble either way. IF we sign DA long term, we spend 50 to 60 mil to do it. You feel confident enough to pay him that long term? I say that's a gamble, don't you?
And, if we only sign him one year, he walks next year and we get NOTHING in return.
DA has a shot at big $$$$ in all likelihood. He would be a fool to pass it up and IMO we would be fools to pay it.
Good problem?
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So what your saying is its allright to take us up to a certain point,and then it doesnt matter if he cant finish ???????
Not at all,but you don't kick him to the curb either. Let's wait for him to get through his first pro bowl this year before we crucify him.
I know the haters on here can't stand it when QB greats are mentioned in DA discussions but P. Manning could have only dreamed of having his first year go as well.
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Thats fine but if you cant perform in the really big ones then its all window dressing.
I know why you're saying the AZ and Cinci games were big. They were,only because DA got us to that point to make them big games in the first place.
Kinda reminds me of the Kevin Mack fumble against the AFC title game against the Broncos .Although he had a great season that one play clouded his whole carreer.
Brief history lesson:  It was Byner who fumbled in the 2nd AFC Championship game against Denver, not Mack. 
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Not at all,but you don't kick him to the curb either. Let's wait for him to get through his first pro bowl this year before we crucify him.
Pro Bowl??  I know the haters on here can't stand it when QB greats are mentioned in DA discussions but P. Manning could have only dreamed of having his first year go as well. I'm no hata but GMAB how great of a QB has Manning been????
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...ooops!  I meant the other guy.
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Pro Bowl??
I thought he was a reserve,....man I'm on a roll today 
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I know the haters on here can't stand it when QB greats are mentioned in DA discussions but P. Manning could have only dreamed of having his first year go as well.
The "realists" understand that Peyton was a "rookie" and it wasn't his "third year in the league".
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DA has a shot at big $$$$ in all likelihood. He would be a fool to pass it up and IMO we would be fools to pay it.
Good problem?
Good Problem?..hell yes. Would it be better if he just sucked,..I mean,..was not good? At least we have a chance to get something good for him.You say he has a shot at big money but whoever pays it must be a fool.
If someone wanted him and was willing to pay big money,why wouldn't they give up a first and third to us now and the resign him next year(if that's how it would actually work)? The only way I see that scenario not playing out is if other interested teams are trying to call our bluff and chance it that we'll just him walk.I can't see PS allowing that to happen.
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I'm no hata but GMAB how great of a QB has Manning been????
Mannings been great,but his first 10 games under center were not as good as DA's.Wasn't PM starring down receivers and not always making the best decisions during his first year? Kinda like another guy we all know and love.
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And the No.1 reason for dumping DA,according to Corpus;
He's no Tim Couch.
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Starring down recievers is something all young QB's do.
Now being accurate separates the great ones from the wanna-bees...
To be a elite QB U can't leave yardage/firstdowns/points on the field.
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I'm no hata but GMAB how great of a QB has Manning been????
Mannings been great,but his first 10 games under center were not as good as DA's.Wasn't PM starring down receivers and not always making the best decisions during his first year? Kinda like another guy we all know and love.
Not exactly Manning could hit his wide open recievers not overthrow them,or throw way behind them..IMO it was Edwards Winslow and JJ that made him look a little better than he is.
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If Manning was as accurate as some claim he wouldn't have thrown 28 INT's
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And the No.1 reason for dumping DA,according to Corpus;
He's no Tim Couch.
Tim Couch might still be playing if had this offensive line & weapons when he came into the league. Anybody who says they know for sure that he wouldnt be is crazy
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If Manning was as accurate as some claim he wouldn't have thrown 28 INT's
????PM was 31-14 with 4040 yds this season.
One more thing about DA,after throwing 4 INT's against the Bungals what does he do ?? In his 1st attempt against SF he throws a pick.The look on K2's face was priceless.
You would think after throwing four against the worst D in the league you might be a little more careful !! but no not DA he'll just throw it up there and see what happens.
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I would think someone with a name like Assassin wouldn't be so sensitive,but in this new age of political correctness and getting in touch with one's own feelings,I guess it's possible.
It was a joke,combining Letterman's top ten list format and Corpus's love of all things Couch.
Henchforth,I will dumb-down my jokes and try to be more cognizant of other's sensitivities.Afterall,when you have to explain your humor,it probably wasn't all that funny to begin with.
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DA is not a good QB ... he is a QB that played OK one year when everything was PERFECT and i mean PERFECT for him ...
And Edwards is not a good receiver....
Winslow is not a good tight end....
Lewis is not a good RB....ect..ect..........because every thing was perfect for them...thats why they had the success they did......
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DA sucks...  Evidence; Zona and 2nd Bungholes game... Sometimes... Like we all do...  DA's stats for 2007 were serviceable??? WTFASOYTA!!!??? Some of you who think you know don't... PERIOD. Justify servicable... This ought to be very entertaining...  Keep in mind I'm not a huge DA supporter... Never have been... I have seen him play as much or more than anyone here through out his OSU and Cleveland days... If we can't get top ten NFL QB comp or close for DA this offseason then we keep him... I believe BQ is the future @ QB for the Browns... But he hasn't earned the opportunity or right to show he is yet... So until then and maybe after then we need two good QB's... I personally believe that DA would be and a solid, very good back up/reliever. This situation really isn't all the complicated or concerning... There are obvious and compelleing reasons both ways... Time will tell and we shall see... A division title and making the playoffs in 2008 should be the goal...
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Stop it Boise,,, you know DA has flaws He's not perfect like Tom Brady....oh,, wait, Brady actually didn't have a very good game on Sunday.. perhaps he should be benched
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And the No.1 reason for dumping DA,according to Corpus;
He's no Tim Couch.
Sweet. All these years later and QB threads still mention Timmy.
Since no one else has mentioned it yet, DUMP HOLCOMB!!! 
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j/c: First of all..........this thread is another good example of a person w/an agenda. Why would Corpus only post the Dump DA article rather than both? Dude, you are pathetic. Secondly..........I am so sick of reading from Finn that Arizona was the second biggest game of the year. And no one corrects him. It wasn't even close. Buffalo was WAY bigger. So was the Seattle win. The second Baltimore win. The Houston win. Arizona.....pfftttt. I just wish Savage didn't make the stupid trade for BQ last year. And he probably wouldn't have if it wouldn't have been for Junior. We would have had the 36th pick in last year's draft, the number 23 this year, and a good QB. Now, we have a stupid controversy.......... all because BQ's fan crew can't wait until he gets in there. 
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