|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,639
Hall of Famer
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,639 |
You have to get made fun of constently at school.
Eat it Phil...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,465
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,465 |
Also, since you took the time...let's hash out your theory.  What would the opposite of your ideas conclude? Why would the older crowd prefer DA? What is comparable to their own lives that they cling to? He's not older than Quinn by much, and these people don't know or care if DA Facebooks or goes out at night. So what's to like? His lack of commercial endorsements? Valid. The fact that he didn't hold out? Valid. What else? Because outside of X's and O's, I don't see much difference. In my eyes, football aside, they're both young, humble guys. One looks like an aw, shucks goofy dopesmoking lurp and one looks like the tool in a teen movie who will get his in the end. I'd probably want to hang out with DA more than Quinn, but in actuality I probably wouldn't want to have beers with either outside the fact that they're on my football team.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,311
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,311 |
Actually Ammo, I get your point but I think it's completely ridiculous. And since I didn't feel like ripping you a new one, I just thought I'd have a little fun. Besides, I didn't have time to tear apart your entire premise and absurd thoughts. But awww what the heck... You keep comparing yourself to Brady based on "age group" yet DA is in THE SAME AGE GROUP as both of you. In fact, DA is closer in age to Brady and economic status than you are. Who gives a rat's you-kow-what where you grew up? Is Oregon on another planet? Last time I checked, the West Coast was a pretty nice place to live. What, because he came from a small town and a blue-collar work ethic? That makes him hard to identify with? Do you realize what a pompous jerk you sound like? And what does any of that have to do with age group, interests, or economic status? This is one of the most ridiculous arguments I have ever seen. And that's saying a lot on here. But I wasn't gonna say all that before. I just wanted a good laugh.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,790
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,790 |
Quote:
What, because he came from a small town and a blue-collar work ethic?
His town is 18 miles from Portland. It's not like he is from the middle of nowhere.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 30,825
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 30,825 |
It's just college kids being college kids. I get a kick out of all of them that say something like "...in my class, we learned this...." and then espouse it to be fact.
Yeah, 2+2 always equals 4, but when colleges are "teaching" crap, it ought to be called crap. I don't care what a professor teaches about this that or the other thing. If he/she were good at what they do, they wouldn't be teaching, they'd be in the public sector, making more money.
Education is good, don't get me wrong. But, "higher education" in the u.s. has become (with a few exceptions) social liberalism.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,790
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,790 |
Quote:
If he/she were good at what they do, they wouldn't be teaching, they'd be in the public sector, making more money.
This comment makes you look worse than Ammo. He is young. You are not. My wife could have succeeded in any field she chose. She chose education, not to make money but to give back to the kids. She knows education is important, even more than making money.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,465
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,465 |
Quote:
If he/she were good at what they do, they wouldn't be teaching, they'd be in the public sector, making more money.
If people in the public sector, weren't so concerned with making money, they'd share their knowledge. 
Quote:
But, "higher education" in the u.s. has become (with a few exceptions) social liberalism.
How so?
In economics and business classes, are they teaching people how to feed the poor? 
Math?
Foreign languages?
I'm guessing you are referring to a general set of opinions prevalent - a disdain for war, an acceptance of homosexuality, an examination of our national past. And those aren't 'socially liberal' traits...they're traits of a higher education and intelligence level.
If there's a mindset problem in higher education today it's the elitism and insulation from the actual world that is a big, big problem.
And, yes, it's funny to hear 'here's what we learned today' with a big, sweeping generalization in relation to some other current matter. 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 30,825
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 30,825 |
Quote:
I'm guessing you are referring to a general set of opinions prevalent - a disdain for war, an acceptance of homosexuality, an examination of our national past. And those aren't 'socially liberal' traits...they're traits of a higher education and intelligence level.
If there's a mindset problem in higher education today it's the elitism and insulation from the actual world that is a big, big problem.
And, yes, it's funny to hear 'here's what we learned today' with a big, sweeping generalization in relation to some other current matter.
Yeah, well, in truth - you nailed me.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 30,825
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 30,825 |
Quote:
This comment makes you look worse than Ammo. He is young. You are not. My wife could have succeeded in any field she chose. She chose education, not to make money but to give back to the kids. She knows education is important, even more than making money.
I honestly don't think my intention was to denigrate education.....in fact, I know it wasn't.
However, let's teach the sciences, the math, the things that matter in the "real" world. Nursing - there are things you have to know. Accounting - there are things you have to know. Just 2 examples. I'd like it if colleges/universities left out the ........hell, ask phil, he can better relate what I'm talking about than I can.
My mother was in education. I have no problem with teachers. Professors, as a whole, are more interested in getting their works published and selling textbooks.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,790
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,790 |
I misunderstood your comments. I have many issues with college professors also. It is not that they are accepting of things like homosexuality ( that is a pretty stupid comment by our enlighten Phil ) but rather the need to push their personal agendas on their students. I have no problem with them having opinions and sharing them with their students. I actually believe that is a very good thing. The problem is that many cross that line. Not only do they cross the line, but so do many of the Universities they belong to.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,465
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,465 |
Quote:
It is not that they are accepting of things like homosexuality ( that is a pretty stupid comment by our enlighten Phil )
I think it's a sign of ignorance.
If you want to talk about homosexual marriage, then that's a debate.
But anyone who would want to raise their child to think that gays aren't right in the head or bad people...they lack education and intelligence.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,618
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,618 |
j/c: Man, this thread took a turn.  Sometimes, some of the crap that goes on here is a real downer, but this thread had me laughing my ass off. Thanks guys............I needed that. There were a lot of good ones, but I think this was my favorite: In fact, DA is closer in age to Brady and economic status than you are. Who gives a rat's you-kow-what where you grew up? Is Oregon on another planet? Last time I checked, the West Coast was a pretty nice place to live. What, because he came from a small town and a blue-collar work ethic? That makes him hard to identify with? Do you realize what a pompous jerk you sound like? An instant classic. 
"What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us."
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,531
Hall of Famer
|
|
OP
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,531 |
Hey, class makes you come up with different perspectives. Just thought I'd throw the concept out there for discussion, it's not like I wrote an essay for a grade on the topic (I swear I didn't). Just threw out a canvas for you guys to paint on.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,618
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,618 |
The only thing I will say in your defense is that I do believe that the younger, more shallow crowd can identify w/BQ. He has the looks, the charisma, the flair. DA is kind of plain. He represents the working man. Additionally, his own teammates call him "Goofy," more for his looks and easy going manner than anything else. I can see why a guy like you would want to identify w/BQ.
"What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us."
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 13,292
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 13,292 |
just clicking.
I'm 40, and so that must mean I can only identify with Brett Favre and Morten Anderson.
Poor GM has to settle for identifying with Red Grange and Jim Thorpe.
![[Linked Image from i28.photobucket.com]](http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c201/shadedog/mcenroe2.jpg) gmstrong -----------------
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,316
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,316 |
and todays players can't hold a candle to either one of them 
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,531
Hall of Famer
|
|
OP
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,531 |
Quote:
The only thing I will say in your defense is that I do believe that the younger, more shallow crowd can identify w/BQ. He has the looks, the charisma, the flair. DA is kind of plain. He represents the working man. Additionally, his own teammates call him "Goofy," more for his looks and easy going manner than anything else. I can see why a guy like you would want to identify w/BQ.
And this is essentially my entire point, I was just trying to use the theory I learned from my media studies class to apply it to this situation.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,790
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,790 |
Quote:
Quote:
It is not that they are accepting of things like homosexuality ( that is a pretty stupid comment by our enlighten Phil )
I think it's a sign of ignorance.
If you want to talk about homosexual marriage, then that's a debate.
But anyone who would want to raise their child to think that gays aren't right in the head or bad people...they lack education and intelligence.
My point is I don't think most who have a problem with professors do so because they as a group support homosexuality.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,311
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,311 |
arch: I'm a teacher but I saw your disclaimer about "higher education" so I refrained from tearing you a new one too. And I think what Ammo is spewing based on his Media Studies class is a good argument to support your theory about the idiocy of some levels of "higher education". But in all honesty, I went to a liberal arts college and I loved taking those kinds of classes, not because they were necessary but because they were interesting. I'll be the first to say that ALL levels of education today are being driven to focus only on what's necessary and leaving everything that is beautiful and interesting about life completely out of the picture. I have to follow strict standards and must literally "teach to the test", which was considered the Cardinal Sin in all of my undergraduate education classes. Now, the ideology has been flipped and this is what they want us to do in classrooms across the country thanks to George W. and his No Child Left Behind Act (possibly the worst piece of legislation ever passed in the history of the United States of America). So yes, necessary is good, but IMHO, it doesn't even come close to preparing young Americans to head into the world as experienced, independent thinkers with a well-rounded world view. The robot factory is open for business and I am merely a cog.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,618
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,618 |
I am with you 100%. You should start a thread on that. I will chime in. No Child Left Behind is a travesty.
"What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us."
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,311
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,311 |
Ugh. Honestly Vers, I don't think I have the energy. My blood pressure rises just thinking about it. Besides, I'm not sure what else I can say other than what I've already alluded to. Kids aren't being taught to think these days. They're being taught to take tests. End of story. 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 74,770
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 74,770 |
Quote:
The only thing I will say in your defense is that I do believe that the younger, more shallow crowd can identify w/BQ.
Yes, many fans believe BQ is the future of the Browns. Therefore they MUST be "young and shallow".
GMAFB. Will you stop at nothing to attempt to degrade ANYONE who has a differing view than yourself? That's past the point of pathetic Vers.
Makes me wanna puke!
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,618
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,618 |
Yeah, I was wrong. You're not young. 
"What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us."
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,531
Hall of Famer
|
|
OP
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,531 |
Quote:
Quote:
The only thing I will say in your defense is that I do believe that the younger, more shallow crowd can identify w/BQ.
Yes, many fans believe BQ is the future of the Browns. Therefore they MUST be "young and shallow".
GMAFB. Will you stop at nothing to attempt to degrade ANYONE who has a differing view than yourself? That's past the point of pathetic Vers.
Makes me wanna puke!
I don't think it's the more shallow crowd necessarily...
That would be saying BQ is shallow, and I highly doubt he is.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 74,770
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 74,770 |
Quote:
Yeah, I was wrong. You're not young.
Check mate. Yes, you will stoop to anything.
Why am I not surprised? I keep forgetting that you have some kind of crystal ball that permits you to look into the future and see that DA will be the next Joe Montana and BQ was a HUGE mistake on Phil's part.
Yes, the Amazing Kreskin posts on Dawg Talkers!
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,311
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,311 |
Well, my crystal ball tells me that Ammo has a man-crush on Brady Quinn.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 13,292
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 13,292 |
Quote:
Quote:
The only thing I will say in your defense is that I do believe that the younger, more shallow crowd can identify w/BQ.
Yes, many fans believe BQ is the future of the Browns. Therefore they MUST be "young and shallow".
GMAFB. Will you stop at nothing to attempt to degrade ANYONE who has a differing view than yourself? That's past the point of pathetic Vers.
Makes me wanna puke!
So does that response - maybe a bit over the top???
I think I get what versatile is saying: Brady's the All-American Kid: has looks, GQ personality, went to Notre Dame, football hero, blahblahbah. The Tiget Beat set loves that type of guy.
DA is kinda goofy. Feet like a clown, looks like a lumberjack.
gmstrong -----------------
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 74,770
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 74,770 |
Quote:
I think I get what versatile is saying: Brady's the All-American Kid: has looks, GQ personality, went to Notre Dame, football hero, blahblahbah. The Tiget Beat set loves that type of guy.
DA is kinda goofy. Feet like a clown, looks like a lumberjack.
No, here is what Vers said............................
Quote:
The only thing I will say in your defense is that I do believe that the younger, more shallow crowd can identify w/BQ.
Now what YOU said makes sense. It's not questioning the mentality of others or casting aspursions upon those who "feel BQ is the future of the Browns".
If you can't see the stark contrast here, I can't help you.
See the term "condecsending". Maybe that will help.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,316
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,316 |
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 502
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 502 |
So this is what this has boiled down too and where many of you are... I like him better than him… Because he is where I'm from or because I know that place...? WOW…  Are you really serious? This is total subjective, conjecture... Total BS... Well because of this demographic, projected value, projected fan popularity you are here???? WTHAYTA!!! You don't have a clue... This is past  ing Are some of you actually thinking and reading before you just slinging a total bunch of crap on here...???  Thanks for not sharing anymore about this topic… PLEASE… I’ll be on the look out to avoid some of you from now on… When you see me please stay away, if you aren’t already… Some of this stuff is fricken totally ridiculous…
|
|
|
|
|
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Quote:
Quote:
I think I get what versatile is saying: Brady's the All-American Kid: has looks, GQ personality, went to Notre Dame, football hero, blahblahbah. The Tiget Beat set loves that type of guy.
DA is kinda goofy. Feet like a clown, looks like a lumberjack.
No, here is what Vers said............................
Quote:
The only thing I will say in your defense is that I do believe that the younger, more shallow crowd can identify w/BQ.
Now what YOU said makes sense. It's not questioning the mentality of others or casting aspursions upon those who "feel BQ is the future of the Browns".
If you can't see the stark contrast here, I can't help you.
See the term "condecsending". Maybe that will help.
Flip the way you're looking at it. He's not saying anyone who identifies with BQ is young and shallow. He's saying anyone who is young and shallow identifies with BQ. That means, there are others who like BQ who are not young and shallow, but no one who is young and shallow prefers DA.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 74,770
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 74,770 |
I quoted what he said. It's pretty basic. It could have been stated much the way "you explained it" or the way lamp explained it, but it wasn't. Did you ever stop to wonder why?
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,758
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,758 |
Quote:
I misunderstood your comments. I have many issues with college professors also. It is not that they are accepting of things like homosexuality ( that is a pretty stupid comment by our enlighten Phil ) but rather the need to push their personal agendas on their students. I have no problem with them having opinions and sharing them with their students. I actually believe that is a very good thing. The problem is that many cross that line. Not only do they cross the line, but so do many of the Universities they belong to.
Depends on the class. I really like a certain business professor and waited till I could take a class this semester that he taught (organizational Behavior) He captivates my attention and isn't just someone that stands in front of the class and reads from the book. I am learning a ton from him and actually like going to class.He had a big business and thought he was better off teaching us all he knows about the business world and honestly I am very happy he did.
Now in another programming class I have a guy that wrote the book we use that can only be bought at the college bookstore (for well over $200 mind you).He sucks, he is boring and refuses to accept work unless it's done EXACTLY the way he wants it. You can have your own style at all (even though the damn thing works). And he is real high up there in college land so I don't have another professor that teaches the material. LoL, actually I got asked to leave on Wednesday b/c I called him "Bitter Bob" He was showing my program on the projector and just letting me have it for coding it wrong. it was coded right, the program ran fine with no bugs, but it wasn't done just like he wanted. I told him the bottom line in a company is to make the thing work, and with me being a programmer I should be able to develop my own style. He got so mad he turned red and said "to you, I am God and you will do it like God wants or face the wrath" I laughed at him and called him "Bitter Bob" and he said I needed to go home b/c I wasn't a serious student. yeah whatever there God
Our honor defend, we will fight to the end, for OHIO! GO BUCKS!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 30,825
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 30,825 |
Quote:
arch: I'm a teacher but I saw your disclaimer about "higher education" so I refrained from tearing you a new one too. And I think what Ammo is spewing based on his Media Studies class is a good argument to support your theory about the idiocy of some levels of "higher education". But in all honesty, I went to a liberal arts college and I loved taking those kinds of classes, not because they were necessary but because they were interesting. I'll be the first to say that ALL levels of education today are being driven to focus only on what's necessary and leaving everything that is beautiful and interesting about life completely out of the picture. I have to follow strict standards and must literally "teach to the test", which was considered the Cardinal Sin in all of my undergraduate education classes. Now, the ideology has been flipped and this is what they want us to do in classrooms across the country thanks to George W. and his No Child Left Behind Act (possibly the worst piece of legislation ever passed in the history of the United States of America). So yes, necessary is good, but IMHO, it doesn't even come close to preparing young Americans to head into the world as experienced, independent thinkers with a well-rounded world view. The robot factory is open for business and I am merely a cog.
I, too, went to a liberal arts college. Liberal arts school founded by mennonites. I enjoyed the classes I took simply because I learned how I did not want to be: blame the u.s. for everything. Maybe it was just my college - but I don't think so.
Heck, we weren't even allowed to call manhole covers "manhole covers" - they had to be called "person hole covers" or "street maintainence access covers".
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,618
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,618 |
lamp and marjax.....thanks for backing me up. You know what I meant. Ignore him...........perhaps he will just go away. 
"What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us."
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
|
|
|
|
|
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Quote:
I quoted what he said. It's pretty basic.
It could have been stated much the way "you explained it" or the way lamp explained it, but it wasn't. Did you ever stop to wonder why?
It was stated the way I explained it. If he stated it the way you explained it, he would have said "ONLY the younger, more shallow crowd can identify with BQ."
He does not limit it in his original quote, he merely states that that subset of football fans like BQ. Quit debating me on this topic, you're wrong.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,790
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,790 |
Quote:
Why am I not surprised? I keep forgetting that you have some kind of crystal ball that permits you to look into the future and see that DA will be the next Joe Montana and BQ was a HUGE mistake on Phil's part.
You nailed Vers perfectly. I don't ever recall Vers saying he was the next Joe. Maybe you should read Ammo's post about Quinn and DA. I think that pretty much says it all.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 74,770
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 74,770 |
Quote:
Ignore him...........perhaps he will just go away.
Aren't you the one who always "slips up" and does that?
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,367
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,367 |
In my opinion, it is the bitter, grumpy people who are unable to have fun subset that prefer DA.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,399
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,399 |
I prefer Quinn and you told me that I was... oh, never mind. 
yebat' Putin
|
|
|
DawgTalkers.net
Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum Brady Quinn and his teammates...
|
|
