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Well Phil, here is the problem I have with that thought.... if some town in Georgia had a public vote and decided that blacks were not welcome in the town or that gays were not welcome in the town, these same folks, who are all about local rule, would be up in arms and loading up the VW buses to head out for protests....
I have the same problem with that thought...it's not an easy situation to peg, and it's this very issue that split our nation in half way back when. It's easy to say 'oh, the North was good and the South was bad'...but it goes beyond that, into the issue of state/local rights and such.
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What is absolutely hilarious to me - and this goes back to my people blindly following the labels that are affixed to them - is that this decision that one that is the absolute essence of what true conservative ideals and platforms are all about - the locality having the right to establish laws and practices as fits they're communities...states' rights and such.
Well Phil, here is the problem I have with that thought.... if some town in Georgia had a public vote and decided that blacks were not welcome in the town or that gays were not welcome in the town, these same folks, who are all about local rule, would be up in arms and loading up the VW buses to head out for protests....
I have no problem with local rule, in fact I favor it, but if you are going to go off the deep end with stuff like this, then when others do it in a way you don't like, you just have to shut up and deal with it.
Wasn't it you that pointed out to me "who and what" was protected by our discrimination laws? Wasn't it "race, religion and sexual prefrance"??????
If not, please tell me where "The Marines" fall into any of these categories?
You see, I think they ARE discriminating against The Marines! I also feel employers discriminate against smokers in certain cases as well. But according to you, "smokers" don't fit into the classification of things, groups or people that "qualify under the law as it pertains to discrimination".
So would you pleae make up your mind for us?
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i'd complain for our marines, but honestly, who would want to be around berkley, and the people who live there anyways?
those people have absolutely no grip on what real life is like, they are too worried about saving trees...
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What exactly is 'real life' like? Because I've lived in NYC where the people think Midwestern farmers have no idea what 'real life' is like....I've lived in small southern towns where they think New Yorkers have no idea what 'real life' is like...people in the suburbs think people in the sticks are out of touch and people from the sticks think the suburbanites are out of touch...what is 'real life' and what constitutes 'real people'? 
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Wasn't it you that pointed out to me "who and what" was protected by our discrimination laws? Wasn't it "race, religion and sexual prefrance"??????
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You see, I think they ARE discriminating against The Marines! I also feel employers discriminate against smokers in certain cases as well. But according to you, "smokers" don't fit into the classification of things, groups or people that "qualify under the law as it pertains to discrimination".
So would you pleae make up your mind for us?
I believe you have me confused with somebody else.
See, I feel they are discriminating against the Marines too.. the question is, should they be allowed to? If a town can vote to not welcome strip clubs, then they should be allowed to vote to not welcome the Marines.. and just so we're clear here, the article does not state that they are making them leave, just that they aren't welcome. My point is that it is one way or the other.. either this type of discrimination is allowed or it's not, across the board.
As for smokers, I'm not sure what your point is and that's why I think you have me confused with somebody else. My opinion on smoking bans is that the free market would have taken care of it if they would have given it time.. smoke free establishments would have sprung up by choice but it was going to take some time. The only places that I feel should be smoke free by law are places that have a monopoly.. like a basketball arena.. you can't decide to go to the smoking stadium or the non-smoking stadium, it doesn't work that way.
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OoooRahJoice, I would love to hear what you have to say.
This is complete BS, and it is something that I can't believe is even an issue. I agree with all the people on here that stated if an earth quake hits, let them deal with it than.
Makes me absolutely sick. People hating on the military because The President ordered them to war along with the rest of the government. These citizens are so ungrateful.
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What exactly is 'real life' like?
Because I've lived in NYC where the people think Midwestern farmers have no idea what 'real life' is like....I've lived in small southern towns where they think New Yorkers have no idea what 'real life' is like...people in the suburbs think people in the sticks are out of touch and people from the sticks think the suburbanites are out of touch...what is 'real life' and what constitutes 'real people'?
you know, like dealing with life problems, stuff you and i, and most of this board deals with everyday?
all those people do out there is whine and complain about things...
and seriously, the earthquake comment is great, if a disaster happens, are they going to do it all themselves?
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People here don't whine and complain all day? Come on. They think you are just as whacky as you think they are.
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People here don't whine and complain all day? Come on. They think you are just as whacky as you think they are.
oh, i know they do, i know people from/around that area, they think that anyone who doesn't live adjacent to an ocean is a hillbilly...
and while you can just say "well you think they are all hippies" ,doesn't banning the marines from your town actually basically say that?
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As for employers, I'm still not sure what you're talking about... help me out ...
I believe it was when The Cleveland Clinic stated that it was going to "refuse to hire smokers" that you so aptly pointed out that they were "not protected" against hiring policies and such discriminitory actions.
And yes, I'd say if a town has the right to outlaw strip clubs, they have a right to "outlaw almost ANY business". In both cases I feel it's dicrimination. But I think it's a pretty much an "all or none" deal.
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I believe it was when The Cleveland Clinic stated that it was going to "refuse to hire smokers" that you so aptly pointed out that they were "not protected" against hiring policies and such discriminitory actions.
Oh that.. yea, that's what I said. I tend to think that all private companies should be allowed to define their own hiring practices.
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I believe it was when The Cleveland Clinic stated that it was going to "refuse to hire smokers" that you so aptly pointed out that they were "not protected" against hiring policies and such discriminitory actions.
Oh that.. yea, that's what I said. I tend to think that all private companies should be allowed to define their own hiring practices.
I use the 20's,30's, the abuse of child labor,safety standards and the living standards of that period, combined with the forming of unions, riots and social unrest of that time as a prime example of just why private companies "can't be trusted" with such responsibilities.
Or are you restricting it to "hiring practices"? If so, it's fine to discriminate against "any group" of people who are law abiding citizens as a part of that practice?
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No, I don't think companies should be totally left to their own devices.. I think there should be age restrictions and working condition restrictions (most regarding employee safety), etc....
but with discrimination it's more difficult. If a company wants to hire a less qualified white guy over a more qualified black guy, then eventually that company is going to suffer.... at least that is what economics and common sense tells me....
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those people have absolutely no grip on what real life is like, they are too worried about saving trees...
Out of this whole "discussion"...that stood out to me...
the "grip on what real life is like" comment...no need to really get into that...everyone has their own perceptions and problems...who are you or I to trivialize what other people go through.
But it's the last part that got me...too busy saving trees...I see that sentiment a lot on here, and I must ask you....you do realize the trees supply the majority of the oxygen in our atmostphere that make this lump of rock habitable? You do realize that dwindling number of trees could very well be having an adverse effect on our atmosphere?
Never underestimate the power of a tree...or a tree hugger!
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you do realize the trees supply the majority of the oxygen in our atmostphere that make this lump of rock habitable?
Actually the majority (possibly as much as 90%) of our oxygen comes from oceanic plants like algae... carry on. 
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you do realize the trees supply the majority of the oxygen in our atmostphere that make this lump of rock habitable?
Actually the majority (possibly as much as 90%) of our oxygen comes from oceanic plants like algae... carry on.
Great...then let's just kill all the trees since we don't need them anymore!
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I never said we didn't need them... I just posted a simple fact...
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I can't really say you posted a fact, since there was no proof behind it...but I don't believe you are lying or exaggerating..I actually thought about that before I said it in the first place. But you are diminishing the point on semantics, the FACT remains...we still need to conserve trees and plants as they are an excellent source of oxygen
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We need plants for plenty of reasons other than oxygen.. they stop erosion, provide shade, provide habitats for animals, and it's hard to hit a golf ball off anything else. 
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those people have absolutely no grip on what real life is like, they are too worried about saving trees...
Out of this whole "discussion"...that stood out to me...
the "grip on what real life is like" comment...no need to really get into that...everyone has their own perceptions and problems...who are you or I to trivialize what other people go through.
But it's the last part that got me...too busy saving trees...I see that sentiment a lot on here, and I must ask you....you do realize the trees supply the majority of the oxygen in our atmostphere that make this lump of rock habitable? You do realize that dwindling number of trees could very well be having an adverse effect on our atmosphere?
Never underestimate the power of a tree...or a tree hugger!
yes i do realize that trees supply you with oxygen (i learned that in gradeschool), but, like dc pointed out, we also get oxygen from other areas
i love trees, i recycle, i do everything i can, myself, to make sure that i limit paper usage... i'm very big on conserving, reducing, recycling
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I applaud your efforts.
I am not saying that it is the only important issue to you. However, to other people, it's very important, and given the current state of our climactic changes, I'd say the issue pretty damn important. I just think it's kind of juvenile to ridicule certain people because that's of more importance to them than something that you may hold a little more dear to you...different strokes for different folks. I'm not trying to preach, just saying that there are worse things people could be doing than trying to preserve our trees. BTW, if we depended solely on other areas for oxygen...we'd be in big trouble
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I think about trees and tree huggers every time I fire up the Stihl 20" farm boss and whack one down.
Then as I'm warming my big behind I think about the genius of Ben Franklin designing a stove that retains most of it's heat.After a drink,or two,I think of all the fossil fuel I'm saving,not to mention the money,by burning that tree.
Then my mind wanders over to Iraq and the brave young Americans there defending our rights to Arab oil.And I think that maybe,just maybe,I could be saving one American life by burning that tree.It then becomes an easy equation.
After another drink,or two,I began to work on how to efficiently burn tree huggers.
As for the Marines in Berkeley,simple.Reinstitute the draft,then there would be little need for recruitment centers.
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OoooRahJoice, I would love to hear what you have to say.
This is complete BS, and it is something that I can't believe is even an issue. I agree with all the people on here that stated if an earth quake hits, let them deal with it than.
Makes me absolutely sick. People hating on the military because The President ordered them to war along with the rest of the government. These citizens are so ungrateful.
I said I was going to leave this alone, having actually been a recruiter at the next bastion of liberal leftism, Kent State. I shall remain poised and confident in my own thoughts and tendencies. Thank you for the honor of the request though.
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I said I was going to leave this alone, having actually been a recruiter at the next bastion of liberal leftism, Kent State. I shall remain poised and confident in my own thoughts and tendencies. Thank you for the honor of the request though.
that is absolutely no fun at all 
it seems total b.s. to me and i've never served...i'm a firefighter, but thats not even close to the same thing...
but this would make me livid if i was a marine....
maybe they should have passed an ordinace saying you can only protest an issue once a year....would have solved the problem too...and payed repect to our armed forces...
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Well then your really not going to like it if I start riding you like a horse.
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That is the most disturbing thing that I have read on this board.
Well then your really not going to like it if I start riding you like a horse.
Do it!!! And post pictures. 
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Respectfully, they have every right to say what they want and do as they choose. I and many others have stood and fought for this exact thing. I may not agree with them (I find it appalling actually), but they have every right to stand up and do what they choose. The freedom to speak and govern as they want is there business. My business is protecting that right. I've done it, I'll continue.
My sentiments exactly. I may or may not agree with their opinion, but it's certainly their right to do it.
But, like Jules said, is this really necessary? How many service people really come out of the Berkeley area? It's like the KKK going to a synagogue to try to recruit.
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I say we ban PhillyDog420 from Berkley, and from Ohio, and Florida, and etc, etc, etc
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I second that motion. All in favor?
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THE PROBLEM..our military recruiters are having trouble finding enough recruites to fill our military needs.
THE ANSWER...it really is time to bring back the "DRAFT".
Seriously, we need to grow the size of our military if we are going to fight wars on several fronts and have enough soldiers to have a reasonable rotation where soldiers are not being asked to return to the war front after just months at home.
Also, the homeland must be protected with enough soldiers and equipment to provide the protection our country and it's citizens require.
If Americans support the wars our soldiers are sent to fight, those same Americans should support a draft to fill the needs of our military.
Freedom and security are not free...they come at a price and all Americans must willing to sacrifice when called upon..regardless of your gender, ethnicity or social status.
I'm sure all agree...
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I agree 100% mac.
People who "start wars" understaffed and with insufficiant troop numbers aren't planning on "winning quickly".
Right now we're at war on two seperate fronts with NO DRAFT! Soldiers doing multiple tours of duty.
Never in our countries history have we asked so much, from so few. But it would be "political suicide" to "do it properly" by instituting a draft. So they've just "half assed" it.
American politics makes for many casulties. Suicide attempts among the military have increased how much over the last five years?
They're casulties too.
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Freedom and security are not free...they come at a price and all Americans must willing to sacrifice when called upon..regardless of your gender, ethnicity or social status.
Your quote is re-provided in regard to a "draft."
I really question whether there would be enough Americans who would answer the call anyway. There is no penalty for not being a patriot, so why be one at all ??
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Respectfully, they have every right to say what they want and do as they choose. I and many others have stood and fought for this exact thing. I may not agree with them (I find it appalling actually), but they have every right to stand up and do what they choose. The freedom to speak and govern as they want is there business. My business is protecting that right. I've done it, I'll continue.
It's a double-standard, however.
You can't kick those out who preserve the freedom that you're executing.
I find it all sickening myself.
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As for the recruiting practices... I don't see anything wrong with what they do. Do you think a law school, if approached by a top notch student from Harvard is going to say, "Please come to our law school, so you can get a job working 90 hours a week and never see your kids. You'll spend very little time in court and most of it reading 100 year old law books. You'll make lots of money but most people will think you are scum and.... oh by the way, lawyers have about the highest divorce rate of any profession. Can we sign you up?"
Shhhh!!!! I'm a 2L. Hehe, but I'm not going to work for a big firm, which is basically what you just described.
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Berkley doesnt want the military people in its town. And regardless of how I feel about it, its there right and I can see why they dont want them there.
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This is simply an ignorant statement. The capturing and killing of an international fugitive and terrorist has little to do with whether or not a war is just. Moreover, according to the Security Council Resolution 1373 made under their Chapter 7 authorities under the UN Charter (thus making it binding on all nations as a principle of international law), the U.S. was justified in its assertion of self-defense and thereinafter it's invasion of Afghanistan. Therefore, international sentiment thus demonstrates that the war in Afghanistan was in itself just. Just because there are unlawful factions (al Qaeda) which prevent the detention of an international criminal (Bin Laden), does not mean that the war is not just.
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If we were really gonna fight to make a difference the army would be in Sudan keeping the peace.
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Here is a question for ya......Why havent these terrorist attack the US again. I mean the first attack was flawless. Why not try it again? I mean most of our military is overseas. This is the perfect time. How many major sporting events and mass transits system are suseptable to attack. All of them....Yet we still havent been attacked again.
I'm not quite sure where you're going with this one. However, there have been a few releases by the Department for Homeland Security and the Department of Defense that the United States has actually thwarted certain planned terrorist attacks. This has been something that other countries have aided the United States in following. If you didn't know, there are currently 12 major treaties that are in every major part of the world that condemn terrorist acts. This is in addition to four Security Council resolutions (all made under Chapter 7 authorities) as well as a General Assembly Resolution. The United Nations is currently working on a comprehensive anti-terrorism resolution. Therefore, taking this all into consideration, the United States increased intelligence tactics combined with the fact that most countries do in fact recognize terrorism as an imminent, international threat demonstrates that the world is headed into a direction combating the contemporary threat of terrorism.
Relating all of this back to the original point, Berkeley has thus kicked out a recruitment effort to find people to maintain territorial sovereignty and integrity of the United States. We have a military. It needs people. Ergo, there are recruiting stations. In order to invoke the protection of our national military, it would be foolish to refuse them a recruiting locale.
Is that intelligent enough for you?
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