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Regardless of whether he made up the quote or not, it was put out. So something solid has to be there in order to say: Quote:
Anderson's breakout season with the Browns ended with him attending the Pro Bowl. But the early take on his performance in NFL circles dwells more on his 19 interceptions than his 29 touchdown passes.
"He had another 20 interceptions dropped," said one NFL scout, partly exaggerating. "We see those, too."
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Somebody sees his inconsistencies. Besides DP017.
I can be wrong. I'll admit that. But I have to trust myself in what I see. I listened to others opinions. I said in training camp and preseason there was no way DA would be a starter, and if he did, he wouldn't do very well.
I was wrong. And I have no problem admitting that.
But at the same time during his successful year, I saw a lot of things that stuck out that were negative and did NOT improve at all during the year. I have to trust my own judgement on this. It's my own opinion. While I'm no means an insider or an expert, I watch a lot of football and know enough about the game to feel uncomfortable about him.
Now if Grossi said this unnamed "source" said DA had a weak arm and was afraid to go downfield too often, then I'd really question him.
Tony Grossi may be spinning the wheels on this, but the comments aren't without warrant. Regardless of who or where they came from, it's a reality.
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Regardless of who or where they came from, it's a reality.
Perception is reality.
That's why there's so many realities.
I watched him all season long too. I saw all the great throws...and the bad decisions. I hope he plays well in the probowl.
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To each his own DP, to each his own..
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"He had another 20 interceptions dropped," said one NFL scout, partly exaggerating. "We see those, too."
....but seriously, can't you say that about most QB's. they all get away with stuff that maybe they shouldn't. In this case it seems that people are ripping on DA for interceptions that did not happen. Maybe DA can get away with some stuff because of his cannon arm. If a Frye tried to squeeze something into tight coverage it might get picked. Don't mean to pick on Frye but just an example of a weaker arm. I guess i better be careful where i go with this, pretty quickly i will be labeled as a Brady hater. In the end, i am glad i do not have to make the decision as to which QB. I am all for have both DA and Quinn under contract for one more year- let it play out and see what happens. Best case scenario is DA signs a 3-4 year contract that is fair to both the player and the browns. It would be tough to pass up a 1st and 3rd, however, if the opportunity presents itself.
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I have watched a lot of QBs who have passes caught that "should have been" dropped ....... throws that should have been caught be dropped ...... passes intercepted that should have been completions instead ..... and "sure" INTs dropped.
It happens to all QBs, and, in the end, typically evens out over the course of an entire season.
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....but seriously, can't you say that about most QB's.
Yes you can and that's what Grossi does.. even if that quote is legitimately from an NFL Scout, he should have been smart enough to counter with that exact comment...
Maybe he did, but in typical Grossi fashion, if he's told something that helps prove his point, or makes him appear smarter than he is, he uses it.
It's not just Grossi either,, lots of reporters do this.. I've yet to figure out the purpose for it,
I always thought the role of a reporter was to report the facts,, all the facts. to provide a fair and honest peek into all sides of ay argument or situation..
Unfortunatly, that doesn't seem to be the case anymore.. Thus the reason you will find that more often than not, I distrust all reporters///
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You can say that any other QB in the league should have had more INTs. The defenders don't catch 'em all or turn in time.
Anderson had 19, which is a pretty decent number. He threw a good number of TD's as well. Going back to last year, it was 5 TDs with 8 INT's.
Point that I'm trying to make is, he makes the plays, but he also makes the mistakes. As do all QB's, but some of his I just can't figure out. Like why in the hell are you throwing that ball, or where in the hell are you throwing that ball.
As I've said, give me a consistent QB who can move the chains, protect that ball and not hurt us.
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I always thought the role of a reporter was to report the facts,,
Oh come on you i and know you never let the facts get in the way of a good story.... 
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You can say that any other QB in the league should have had more INTs. The defenders don't catch 'em all or turn in time.
Anderson had 19, which is a pretty decent number. He threw a good number of TD's as well. Going back to last year, it was 5 TDs with 8 INT's.
Point that I'm trying to make is, he makes the plays, but he also makes the mistakes. As do all QB's, but some of his I just can't figure out. Like why in the hell are you throwing that ball, or where in the hell are you throwing that ball.
As I've said, give me a consistent QB who can move the chains, protect that ball and not hurt us.
The only problem with that is that it is really, really hard to consistently have 15 play, 80 yard TD drives in the NFL. Teams really do win games on big plays. Anderson, for any and all of his faults, real or imagined, fixable or permanent, is a big play guy.
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He is a big play guy. I agree.
And it's big both ways. That's his downfall. That's his game. Big throws. Just going out and slinging it. Which is why he can get himself into trouble. Instead of looking at another option, he'll trust his arm and force a throw. Sometimes it works, and other times it doesn't.
IF he can get away from that mentality and work on his short throws, we won't be having this conversation anymore. But he hasn't shown any improvement IMO in those 2 areas.
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Well, Grossi said there was no buzz at the Super Bowl, not the Pro Bowl. I don't find that hard to believe at all.
I don't either, and it appears that more than one person on here has missed that fact.....
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I do believe we've had this discussion before. I understand that for whatever reason you don't like reporters. Perhaps your mother was scared by one when you were just a tot. But what I recall reading from Grossi was not a statement of fact but rather his opinion of what would happen should Romeo get canned. And frankly, had Romeo gotten the boot I think we would have gone after Cowher. And I believe there was at least a 50-50 chance he would have accepted. The Tressel stuff was wishful thinking. He's never leaving college. Plus, we have no idea what people on the Browns were leaking to him. But that discussion is for another time. Suffice it to say I don't rag on Grossi like some of you do. I actually think most of his stuff is pretty well written and fairly entertaining. Honestly, some of you act like you expect Pulitzer material from every article. It's the off season. In Cleveland. Be glad you've got a group of writers that can put a sentence together and actually know the player's names. 
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Point that I'm trying to make is, he makes the plays, but he also makes the mistakes. As do all QB's, but some of his I just can't figure out.
Geez, I don't think there is a QB in the league that hasn't made a mistake that you and I and a bunch of others can't figure out... You make it sound like he's the only one. Not even close.
It's funny, the way some tell it, DA is the only QB in the league that makes bone headed plays... Everyone else is perfect and never causes thier fans to scratch thier heads...
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What did you guys think of his pro bowl performance (not that it really matters)? I thought it made him look worse than he is.
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What did you guys think of his pro bowl performance (not that it really matters)? I thought it made him look worse than he is.
I thought he looked exactly like he did the last few games of the regular season. Not good.
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It's pointless to make my argument because when someone doesn't agree, it'll get turned around. YES, I KNOW all QBs make boneheaded plays at some point. I am talking about the whole picture of where the ball is going. Sometimes, it's a poor choice, sometimes it's a poor throw, and sometimes I have no idea where he's even going with it. Then he threads the needle.
Then you're going to say all QB's make a poor throw now and then.
I guess I'll just keep saying it till I'm blue in the face, and you or someone else will give the same lame defenses.
DEREK ANDERSON IS TOO INCONSISTENT.
You watch him and compare him to other starters in the league and tell him if his throws are accurate in comparison.
Daman, did you watch the Pro Bowl by chance?
If so, did Anderson looked like he belonged in that class? Honest answer.
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He looked like D.A . Missed 4 or 5 open receivers by huge margins....
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Daman, did you watch the Pro Bowl by chance?
If so, did Anderson looked like he belonged in that class? Honest answer.
Asked or not, I'm going to comment on this. Anderson is the most familiar with the offense Turner runs, but he looked terrible. Anderson can start, but I doubt he can win a Super Bowl.
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He looked like crap and just like the second half of last season. 
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He looked like D.A . Missed 4 or 5 open receivers by huge margins....
Did anyone else see Chad Johnson give DA the Winslow treatment when he badly missed him on an easy route? 10/26... 1 INT... that's DA alright!
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Did anyone else see Chad Johnson give DA the Winslow treatment when he badly missed him on an easy route? 10/26... 1 INT... that's DA alright!
While he did have a bad day, I don't really count the INT. The last 4 plays of the game they basically ran hailmarys to the endzone, he last of which was intercepted. Hard to blame the QB when you are told to just bomb it downfield.
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I'm not counting the INT. Not really the problem. It was about the other 15 throws.
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You are right, DA looked like ....... well, you know, he also had more than one pass dropped that should have been caught, one for a TD.
No excuses though. He did not play well.
My opinion is and will remain until something else happens is DA will be tendered and then traded, maybe not for a first and third, but will be traded, and not to a team in the AFC North.
Just my opinion though.
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DA and B.Roth both looked like crap.
The other four looked really sharp.
Winslow looked a little slow out there and I thought I might have noticed a very slight limp in his gait. I think he needs this offseason very badly.
I'm also convinced that Edwards is a younger version of TO in regards to how they play the game. It seems their genetic makeup requires them to drop at least one ball a game, but they are still capable of making big plays.
Including the Pro Bowl, I think Edwards has dropped at least 1 pass a game for about 8 or 9 games in row now. This really bothers me for some reason.
Wayne and TJ have great hands. Edwards would be unstoppable if he had their hands.
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They were commenting on how impressed Norv Turner was with coaching and watching Braylon during the week. That's great to hear. I wish our boys made a little more noise in the game, but it was great to see 6 of 'em in there regardless.
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I thought BE had a good game, and JT played ok from what I saw (although they played him at RT when I was looking). Yeah but Winslow didn't do much, and DA was pretty bad.
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Daman, did you watch the Pro Bowl by chance?
A little off and on... Saw him throw a couple of completions then a horrible pass then a dropped pass.. then I went back to the Italian Job on another Channel....
I take it I didn't miss one of his better performances which you are now going to tell me justifies your position about DA...
If it makes you happy, then I'm happy for ya,.,
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DA and B.Roth both looked like crap.
But But,, nobody says that,, It appears that for the next couple of weeks, we are gonna hear nothing except how bad DA is and the Pro Bowl game proves it.
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One game doesn't prove anything.
He didn't look nearly as good as the other guys in the game. He looked like the same guy I saw in a lot of our games this year.
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DA and B.Roth both looked like crap.
But But,, nobody says that,, It appears that for the next couple of weeks, we are gonna hear nothing except how bad DA is and the Pro Bowl game proves it.
But of course. For Browns fans, that's what makes good discussion.
I watched a bit of the Pro-Bowl. It's true, DA did not look good. The thing is however, this was his 1st one, AND this was his 1st year as a starting QB in the NFL.
I see what a lot of you see, but the fact is, he made some GREAT throws this season. He is going to make some bad ones as EVERY QB in the NFL does, but that is what makes the good ones great.
DA may have his issues, but EVERY Qb does at one time or another. What everyone seems to forget, is the fact that he has started for 1 full season thus far. That is not a typo 1 FULL SEASON!!
Say what you want about our new OL and Jamals breakout year, but the fact is...most teams have that.
I will use the Vikings as an example. They have IMO one of THE best OL's in the NFL, and also perhaps the best RB in the NFL. In fact, they have TWO great RB's.
Even with this, their duo of QB's stunk up the place. Actually, they down right SUCKED.
A great OL and RB help, but the fact remains that the QB has to throw the ball. 29 TD's is not a joke, and it is a RECORD BREAKING performance as far as the Browns and their history is concerned.
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He didn't look nearly as good as the other guys in the game. He looked like the same guy I saw in a lot of our games this year.
FIRST year as a starter.
FIRST Pro-Bowl.
FIRST bout of the butterflies.
Let's give him another year before we judge him.
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Anderson didn't help his agent out any in there negotitations with the Browns with his performance in the pro bowl yesterday.
If the Browns are looking to sign Anderson to a 2-3 yr contract allowing him to develop and compete for the starting job against Brady Quinn... his performance helped out the Browns position.
Now, if there is a team willing to give up a 1-3...or a 1 and another combination, the Browns could let Anderson walk if he continues to demand more than Savage is offering.
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I think Savage wants to keep Anderson here, but at the same time, he probably feels that our offensive line and Jamal Lewis will help Quinn have a succesful year (as did Anderson).
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Turk...I believe Savage when he says having both Anderson and Quinn as our 1 & 2 QB is what is best for the Browns.
The #2 QB is always one play away...
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Turk...I believe Savage when he says having both Anderson and Quinn as our 1 & 2 QB is what is best for the Browns.
Reverse that order and I'm there. I don't mind DA, but I can't see how BQ can't beat him out in camp.
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What did you guys think of his pro bowl performance (not that it really matters)? I thought it made him look worse than he is.
It was embarassing. Manning played well, Big Ben played well, and Anderson......stunk it up. Even with the offense oriented rules, throwing and handing off to the best there is. Makes the Browns look like a laughing stock.
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Wow, all this banter about QBs and who's better, who's more valuable, and who has the higher ceiling. All based on speculation.
This is really down to a contract thing.
If we can sign DA to a contract, we will or might not keep him, and that says nothing.
Phil is not going to come out and say , DA is on the market, we want BQ to start.
Other teams that are intrested are not going to come out and say DA is what we are looking for to build our future.
What is reality is that PS has an idea of what it would take to pry DA away from us. He feels comfortable with keeping him and he feels comfortable with trading him for the right price.
He is willing to sign him to a 4 to 5 yr contract. Why ?
Well he doesn't think he has reached he potential.
He doesn't think keeping him hurts the team.
He knows that signing him keeps him in the drivers seat for as long as he has him under contract.
What people fail to see is that if we sign him to a 4 yr contract, we can still trade him when ever the offer is right.
That could be 2 days after he signs, 1 day after another team loses their starter to injury.
Poeple love to follow their agendas on this site. LOL
I for one only care that we win , with or without DA, or BQ.
This is really about a contract, If DA signs we are in the drivers seat for the duration, If he doesn't we tender him and get a 1 and 3 or we work out a deal with diffrent compensation, or we keep him let him play and walk at the end of the year, work out a contract during the year, or franchise him at the end of next year if he proves worthy.
It's not about who is the better QB at this point , as we don't know.
As far the reporters article, who was the scout ? One who's team has no intrest or one who's team is in the market ?
One who's team is in the market is going to point out the short commings to try and drive down the price.
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DA's first passes were good...then it started...  Whether or not there's any buzz...he didn't help himself a lot.. I saw him miss several receivers..I saw one or two drops...the mess at the end of the game I don't entirely put on him..I just wanted to see his arm strength..but they coulda ran some comeback routes instead of just tryingt to air it out..
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It was embarassing. Manning played well, Big Ben played well, and Anderson
You thought Ben played well??????
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He played better than Anderson.
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