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I think DA is liked my many around the league more than some on this board like to believe.
No one really knows what the front office of all the other teams think about DA, but if you wonder around the web looking at other teams message boards, they have the same difference of opinions that all the browns boards have about DA.
Some people love the 29 TD's, some people dwell on his low completion percentage. yada yada yada.... been said here a million times.
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I don't know about now; but it seems that I recall when he was working on tv, that Bill often said that he was very Impressed with DA. Impressed enough now to make Some kind of offer is yet to be seen. JMHO Go Brownies!!!
Parcells did also seem to really, really like Anderson. He seemed to have a higher opinion of him than any other TV personality did.
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I could see the Dolphins trading out of the #1 slot, picking up more draft picks and using a lower first round pick on Anderson or any combination of players and 2 round picks to secure Anderson's services.
I posted this option a month ago...still seems to be logical to me if the Dolphins are interested in Anderson.
Would Savage take two 2nd round picks, one being the #32 pick in the second round for Anderson?
With the Patriots losing one first round pick, that moves the Dolphins into the #32 position, which would be a 2nd round pick that was actually a 1st round pick in reality.
Two second round picks...sure..not a thing wrong with that.
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I don't know what Savage is thinking. All I know is what he said. He said:
---that DA has a huge upside.
---that he would like to bring DA back.
---and he would like to prolong the decision on DA and BQ for as long as possible.
Now..........I know I am speculating, but I think I know why Savage wants to bring DA back.
At this point in time, no one knows for sure how good either QB will be. DA had one good year and BQ hasn't had any. Whatever decision Savage makes, he needs to make the correct one. Thus, it is tricky and there are no easy answers. It is also why he said that he wants to prolong the decision as long as possible.
Why? Because what if he sends DA packing and DA keeps improving and becomes one of the top QBs in the league and Quinn never even comes close to duplicating DA's year? The fans and media wouldn't take any blame for running their mouths......it would all be on Savage. On the other hand, if Savage invests heavily on DA and DA falls on his face, then Savage just blew a boat load of money on a QB when he may have already had a franchise QB on the roster.
It's a tough decision. It's one that needs to play out. Perhaps it already has in the minds of Savage and his staff. I don't know. What I do know is that they better make the right decision. It is one of those decisions that could haunt a franchise for years and cause men to lose their jobs.
And that is why I still agree w/Savage when he says that he would like to prolong the decision as long as possible. I know that isn't as exciting as a big trade, but I think it makes a helluva lot more sense.
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No way Miami would give up the 1st overall and a 3rd rounder for DA... just don't see that happening.
I agree, Parcels isn't gonna do that...
What he might do if he can find a trading partner that's willing is to trade the #1 overall for 2 firsts rounders and maybe something else, then giving up a much lower first rounder and a second to get DA!
Not as wierd as that is, it might work..
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Why do you put words in my mouth?
Don't bother.........I already know the answer. Just pointing it out so everyone doesn't assume I said those things just because they were written.
I "quoted" everything "you said" Vers.
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I agree, Parcels isn't gonna do that...
What he might do if he can find a trading partner that's willing is to trade the #1 overall for 2 firsts rounders and maybe something else, then giving up a much lower first rounder and a second to get DA!
Not as wierd as that is, it might work..
Whoops, I made a typo and didn't get back in time to edit...
First, I didn't mean to say that Miami would give us a lower 1st and a 2nd... I mean a 3rd rounder..
I was thinking about this a little more,,
Dallas has two 1st round picks.. (one is ours from the Quinn deal).. Dallas is said to be interested in McFadden who may end up being the top pick in the draft.
So, maybe Dallas owner Jerry Jones (who seems to have a good relationship with Parcells) gives up his two 1st rounders for the 1st overall so he can nab McFadden.
Then Parcells deals one of his 1sts to us along with a 3rd rounder or something else for DA.. Miami still retains a 1st round pick and they get a QB that showed he played much better in warmer weather (Probowl aside)
We get our 1st round pick back and maybe pick up a 3rd or something else, we end any kind of issues with QB's, and Quinn is annointed the starter.
Dallas gets McFadden, a pick they had no chance of getting because of where they are slotted to draft.
Maybe it just me, but that sounds an awful lot like a win, win, win situation for all three teams and DA and McFadden!
Will it happen,, seriously, I doubt it. But it's an avenue I haven't heard brought up....
How crazy is that 
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Why would Dallas be interested in McFadden? They have a nice young one two punch at RB already, so that would be a stupid move on their part. Where did you hear that from? because honestly to me it makes no sense at all.
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Why would Dallas be interested in McFadden? They have a nice young one two punch at RB already, so that would be a stupid move on their part. Where did you hear that from? because honestly to me it makes no sense at all.
Dallas is def. interested!!!! Jerry Jones likes McFadden a lot. I really think they expected to be in the Top 5 this year when they traded with us last year to get McFadden.
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I don't think Dallas can do that. But the rules are kind of convoluted so who really knows. Here is an excerpt of the restricted FA rules that I think would prohibit it. Not sure if it actually applies because it states if they do not have a pick in that particular round. ********Proper Compensation: New Club that gives Offer Sheet to RFA must have proper draft round compensation available if the Prior Club elects not to match New Clubs Offer (ie: New Club tenders Offer Sheet to player’s Prior Club and player was originally drafted in the Fifth Round, New Club MUST HAVE ANY Fifth Round Draft Choice available IF Prior Club DOES NOT MATCH THE OFFER SHEET, HOWEVER, IF NEW CLUB DOES NOT HAVE A FIFTH ROUND DRAFT CHOICE AVAILABLE (previously already traded its Fifth Round Pick away), the NEW CLUB HAS TO ACQUIRE A PICK THAT WAS EQUAL TO OR BETTER THAN THE ORIGINAL PICK (ie: 9th in the Fifth (5th) Round) for proper compensation. http://profootballexperts.scout.com/2/617709.html
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Then Parcells deals one of his 1sts to us along with a 3rd rounder or something else for DA.
That's actually very sound thinking...Except for the 3rd rounder as well...
I would take the 22nd pick in this draft AND RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dallas is def. interested!!!! Jerry Jones likes McFadden
Says who? Seriously where did this information come from? Between now and the draft were gonna hear a bunch of crap, and most of it will be smoke screens, this is probably one of them. They have money invested into this position already, so making this move is highly unlikely since he might like him, but sure as hell don't need him.
Remember last year when people were saying were taking Peterson? What happened then?
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Why would Dallas be interested in McFadden? They have a nice young one two punch at RB already, so that would be a stupid move on their part.
Well, for one thing, one of thier young 1-2 punch is a FA.. Julius Jones is an UFA and the other RB they have, Marion Barber is a RFA!
Add to that that it was reported somewhere on here that Jerry Jones is infatuated with McFadden (darned if I can remember where I read it but it was on this board somewhere a while back)
So put the two thoughts together and you can see why I mentioned it...,
Here's a link to Jones and Barbers situations:
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/nfl/freeagentsRB.html
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New Club that gives Offer Sheet to RFA must have proper draft round compensation available if the Prior Club elects not to match New Clubs Offer
Jester, If I read that right, it's saying that in order for Miami to make a run at DA, that they indeed have to have the compensatory picks in hand in the event the club losing the player (in this case, the browns) want the picks instead of trying to keep DA?
If I have that right, then the only thing that would need done is for Dallas and Miami to come to arrangements BEFORE a deal is consumated between the Browns and Miami! Honestly, if I have that right, it's nothing more than a timing issue.. and no way Miami makes that deal unless they have Dallas and Cleveland agreeing before hand....
That doesn't seem to be too hard to accomplish... not to me anyway.
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The only problem with your scenario is that if Dallas and Miami make a trade it would more than likely happen on draft day. Not saying that is the only time it would happen but the Dolphins would probably wait it out till the very last minute to get the most they could get for the #1 overall pick.
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There's also a couple dates we need to remember when talking draft related trades and RFA...
April 15 -- Signing period ends for restricted free agents.
April 22 -- Deadline for old club to exercise right of first refusal to restricted free agents.
The Draft is April 23-24...
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Well your getting information from a site I find not too credible.
Justin Fargas UFA Oakland Raiders
Fargas may still best be known for who his father is, but he’s trying to change that during a season that has seen him carry the ball much more with starter Lamont Jordan hobbled by injuries. He’s rushed for over 1,000 yards while averaging 4.5 yards per carry. He’s added 188 receiving yards, and found the endzone four times. He hit the century mark for rushing yards four times as well. And injury kept him out during week sixteen, and he’ll miss the final game of the season as well. There’s a strong chance that the Raiders retain him, as head coach Lane Kiffin has said he wants to keep Fargas. There will be a few teams that show some interest outside of Oakland, though, and Fargas could seek bigger dollars elsewhere.
Well this site was off base, he resigned with Oakland already. All I am reading is some guys opinion, so I won't take his word, I'll wait till it comes out of the Horses mouth, plus Dallas loves Barber and since he's not going to go anywhere, thats too much money to invest into one position. If anything, they will groom someone or resign Jones since his value isn't going to be in high demand. This site has no facts, isn't updated, and is nothing more then a rumor mill.
I can make rumors up too, I think we'll resign DA then trade him to StL for Pace, that move makes as much sense as the one being speculated that Dallas want's McFadden.
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Says who? Seriously where did this information come from? Between now and the draft were gonna hear a bunch of crap, and most of it will be smoke screens, this is probably one of them.
OK Fletch,, you caught me,, I made it up,, all by my lonesome... 
Geez man,, did you not read my initial post on the subject,,, I read it on here,, somewhere.. I really didn't make it up,,
But look at it for a second,, with Jones and Barber being FA's (one unrestricted and one restricted), and Jerry Jones, who's not afraid to make big splashes and who has a team that is without a doubt, on the Brink..
Add it all up, then throw in some article that was probably written a month or so ago that said that Jones likes McFadden, then throw in that Dallas really expected th pick they got from us to be way better than it turned out to be, and
BOOM, you have a smoking gun..
You don't have to believe a word of it.. it's speculation on my part,,,, and putting things together...
OH, and YES, there is a ton of smokescreens this time of year,, does that mean I'm not allowed to throw something out there to just basically have some fun and discuss it?
Try telling me that you either don't like that deal or that you do.. rather than question the cred of the thoughts...
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The only problem with your scenario is that if Dallas and Miami make a trade it would more than likely happen on draft day.
Maybe, and if that's the case, your right, this won't happen...
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The only problem with your scenario is that if Dallas and Miami make a trade it would more than likely happen on draft day.
Maybe, and if that's the case, your right, this won't happen...
Yeah because if DA is to get traded, it would have to be before draft day considering that the taker on the trade would have to sign DA to a long term contract before the trade becomes official. But, you're right, if this would somehow happen, it does seem like an everybody wins deal. Unless, of course, we are not sold on Quinn, but that has already been discussed enough.
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Sorry your upset, but the scenario seems highly unrealistic, just like the scenario's many of our own Browns fans come up with.
Think about this, there is some bad blood between Jones and Parcells now, since Bill did his usual coach and quit when he wants too routine, what makes you think either one of them will want to work with each other again? What you say may sound good on paper, but when you leave out important factors, it's just words, and again, I wouldn't believe a word of the site you gave. I'm not trying to upset you, just trying to keep it somewhat real.
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Damon - honestly I don't know how to interpret the rule.
Damon and Fletch - The Cowboys being interested in McFadden has been thrown out there by multiple media outlets (internet sites and TV "insiders") for quite some time now. Actually I remember hearing about this as far back as last year's draft.
Fletch - You commented on Dallas' 1 - 2 punch. Well Julius Jones is a FA and unsubstantiated rumor has it that they are not that interested in re-signing him. Also in the rumor mill is that Dallas was considering trading their 2 late 1st round picks and Barber to Mia to move up to #1 overall so that they could draft McFadden.
Fletch - Try to remember that rumors are just that rumors. Some may be true others maybe not. We don't know. But if they are floating around they are often brought here for discussion in a hey what if this really is true scenario. I really don't think anyone is saying these rumors are 100% true and guarenteed. They are just being used to foster discussion in a slow time of the football year.
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Well this site was off base, he resigned with Oakland already. All I am reading is some guys opinion, so I won't take his word, I'll wait till it comes out of the Horses mouth, plus Dallas loves Barber and since he's not going to go anywhere, thats too much money to invest into one position. If anything, they will groom someone or resign Jones since his value isn't going to be in high demand. This site has no facts, isn't updated, and is nothing more then a rumor mill.
I can make rumors up too, I think we'll resign DA then trade him to StL for Pace, that move makes as much sense as the one being speculated that Dallas want's McFadden.
Fletch,, Maybe that sites a little behind times,, not sure,, but Jones and Barber are indeed FA,s one restriced and the other not.. I don't care about the guys opinions on those people,, I only care about thier status as either restricted or unrestricted FA.. are you questioning whether or not that is thier status?
Try this:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/021708dnspocowlede.3e26102.html
That's from todays Dallas paper....
As for making up rumors,, I didn't make anything up.. I read on here that Jones like McFadden..., what's so hard to believe,, Doesn't just about every GM or Owner like the kid... Geez
What's got your panties in a bunch over this... my god man,, discuss the trade,,, quit trying to discredit me.,, it's a stupid approach..
Also, you say that Dallas loves Barber,,, are you making that up. (look at the article,, is says they want to resign him, but it's a reporter saying it)
As for Jones,, you say that they will find someone else or resign him,, who's opinion is that, yours or someone elses..
As far as money,, when has Jerry Jones NOT shown a willingness to spend Money when he thinks it will make his team a winner...
You see Fletch,, you attempted to discredit one source because it's just opinion,,, and you do it by saying your opinion is worth more,,,
That's just crazy,, Opinions are just that,, opinions
Now stop all the quibbling and Tell me if you like the trade,,or tell me that you don't...
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Think about this, there is some bad blood between Jones and Parcells now, since Bill did his usual coach and quit when he wants too routine, what makes you think either one of them will want to work with each other again?
Never heard that before,, in fact, my understanding it quite the opposite,,, where did you hear that...
As for me being angry,, you basically just told me that anyone can make up a rumor,, in essence, calling me a liar..
Let me call you a liar and see how you like it!
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I know your not making things up, I think your just giving your opinion, but I don't like the trade since I don't see it happening, It would be like Savage making a deal with Newsome, it just wouldn't happen. Now if McFadden falls to Atlanta's spot then I think you might be onto something, but people who don't like each other or our in the same division normally don't work together. Don't get bent out of shape bud, I don't think your a liar, I think a deal between Miami and Dallas just wouldn't happen. I can't see these 2 Egomaniacs making a deal, thats all. Barber is the RFA and will tendored at least with a 1st and 3rd, and he's worth it.
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Damon - honestly I don't know how to interpret the rule.
LOL Neither do I! Some of the wording on these rules drives me nuts...
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Damon and Fletch - The Cowboys being interested in McFadden has been thrown out there by multiple media outlets (internet sites and TV "insiders") for quite some time now. Actually I remember hearing about this as far back as last year's draft.
Yeah, I know... Fletch seems to think I'm making stuff up,, I don't know why, but that's what he seems to think... Go figure! Maybe he rails against anything that has DA going somewhere else,.,,, of course, that's a RUMOR that I just made up
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So you think Jones was happy Parcells decided to quit? Maybe in the long run, but knowing Parcells and how he acts (which though I think in his day was a hell of a coach and a great mentor to many HC's now) his ego and maturity level, or lack there of, wouldn't do it.
Anything can happen and I can be wrong, I just don't see it playing out that way. Sorry you interpreted what I said the wrong way, because I don't think your a liar, never have, especially when this is all speculation anyways. Relax man.
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I know your not making things up,
You may know it now,, but when you wrote this item below, you certainly didn't,
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I can make rumors up too, I think we'll resign DA then trade him to StL for Pace, that move makes as much sense as the one being speculated that Dallas want's McFadden.
If that's not saying I made up a rumor, then I don't know what is!
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Don't get bent out of shape bud, I don't think your a liar, I think a deal between Miami and Dallas just wouldn't happen.
Perhaps you don't now that you have been told you sounded like you did.
As for the trade:
Maybe,, maybe not.. don't know.. My original post on the subject, if you would go back and read it, indicates that I don't think it will happen either.....
All this was is a topic of discussion,, then you go off hating over what you think are rumors,,
You know fletch,, all you had to do was say,, geez man, I guess I mispoke,, I'm sorry,, never meant to indicate you made up rumors,,,,
But you didn't do that until you got called out..
I'll still accept your apology if your big enough to offer one up however..
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Stop already... 
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Well you also didn't have to sound like a baby when I questioned where you got the information, and then discredited the first site since that place is a rumor mill. I don't owe you an apology, so don't expect one. I'll just watch what I say to you since your thin skinned, and I don't want to upset your fragile feelings again. An apology.
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Have you ever heard of a smokescreen?
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Fletch and Damon----------didn't Ref 1 warn us all about this type of bickering? Sheesh...........it's annoying. Dawgpound17: Yes, I have heard of smoke screens.  And I think I rationalized why what Savage said actually has some merit. It doesn't mean it's not the truth just because you don't wish it to be so.
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Fletch and Damon----------didn't Ref 1 warn us all about this type of bickering? Sheesh...........it's annoying.
I agree, and I wasn't attempting to argue, and really am not sure why my question/s started the annoyance. I guess I'll avoid asking questions in the future, so I guess apologize for those I annoyed. *Shrug*
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My question is why do people keep calling Daman Damon? 
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They're saying Da' Man with a Jamaican accent.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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He told me his username means Da mans hot. Hopefully I didn't upset him though by telling you that.
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 That makes sense, thanks.
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No, I know what his name means, but people are calling him Damon. And it bugs me.
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Oh I see. Never really noticed it though. I need to leave this thread now, I don't want to get lectured or upset anyone else again. 
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