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In summation, while we hit for home runs left and right last offseason in fixing the Offense, it is looking like we'll be lucky to get a base hit in helping our needs on Defense this year.
Free Agency is looking thinner than Karen Carpenter and Mary-Kate Olsen... and without a 1st round pick, it isn't looking like we're gonna get much immediate help in The Draft, either.
Things aligned perfectly last year, they aren't lining up too well this year.
Pretty much hit the nail on the head. We'll probably be looking at the 2nd tier guys like Randy Starks, Tommy Kelly, Isaac Sopoaga, etc. Unless we pull a trade, Phil will probably have to bring them (D-Line/LB's) in via the draft.
Not to mention that our cap room is closer to the $18 million range than the $30 million range that was reported a few months back. We won't have as much luxury as we've had in the past at outbidding some teams. Phil will have to strike fast for the ones he does want.
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I am not trying to be an ass Devil. But do you have a link to anything showing 18 million as our cap room. IMO none of us really have any true idea what our real cap room is yet.
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Where did you hear our cap was 18 instead of the close to 30 million? Just curious, a difference of 12 mil is quite significant.
Attack - I didn't say it wasn't a need, just not our biggest, worthy of breaking the bank or drafting real high, imo. We should address it at some point every offseason. I believe we will sign some '2nd tier' LB(s) and draft one at least. FA will have to play out before saying where we draft a LB though (early 2-4, or later, the two 6th's or 7th). 
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Free Agency is looking thinner than Karen Carpenter and Mary-Kate Olsen... and without a 1st round pick, it isn't looking like we're gonna get much immediate help in The Draft, either.
Do you think that might factor in Phil pushing for a DA trade instead of bringing him back (not to turn this into a QB thread)?
I'm just wondering, if FA is thin and we don't have a first rounder.......does DA's trade chances rise?
Who knows what we could get for him.....but we could use the pick(s).
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Phil isn't going to break the bank for any position in FA...
But I disagree with your thought he won't go high in the draft for a LB..
If he doesn't get what he wants in FA , he'll use his picks to address it..
He leaves tidbits for us to pick out..
He's already been quoted as saying he wants another pass rusher and a monster ILB..
Thats a tidbit..it lets me know what he's targeting..
He loves LB's..he knows that the piece that drives a 34..he went very high to take DQ..and he took Wimbley at # 11...same year..then took Williams in round 4 ...
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Do you think that might factor in Phil pushing for a DA trade instead of bringing him back (not to turn this into a QB thread)?
Just my .02, I think Phil dosent really have a difinate plan on what to do, I do believe Phil looks into many diffrent options and when something comes up or heats up Phil looks at if it will help the team, Example, right now Phil might be saying what will help the team the most is resigning DA, 10 minutes later he gets a call from Miam (Insert any team who needs a QB) and say's Phil we would like DA and will give you XXX player and XXX draft picks for him, Phil than thinks about it and calls another team and says hey So in So team will give me XXXX for DA what would you offer, and at the end of the day week ect, Phil decides whats better for the Browns, I dont believe he goes into anything saying were gonna do this or were gonna do that he keeps his options open.
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Briggs is almost a lock to end up a 49er. He's from NoCal and has ties to the Bay Area.
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Let me just say first of all, that I think he'd be better than Davis.
However, I remember during his contract holdout, the media demonstrated how the Tampa 2 that the Bears run usually funnels the run towards his position which put him in the best position to make the plays.
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It will start with FA. If we get a solid ILB then we won't go high in the draft, imo. If we don't get one via FA, we will of course draft one early, depending on who is available and when.
Same for OLB. I think that with Peek under contract, and having the 'nagging' issues this past season they will stick with him for at least one more year to see if he can be what they hoped he would be. The wildcard is McG, is he in their plans for this season, do they think he can be productive one more year. Or are they going to get his replacement in here this year.
I could see us getting an OLB in the 2nd or 3rd round easily, and would be quite happy about that. Possibly, but less likely, an ILB in those same rounds, again all depending on what we do in FA (as you stated as well).
It still boils down to our front line. We needs bonafide linemen up front to keep our LB's free to make plays. We didn't have that this past year. Which is why I think the focus should be on DLinemen first, LB's second.
Phil has given us many tidbits, such as another pass rusher and ILB, but he has also stated that without a DL your LB's get lost with blockers and can't do the job the D is designed for LB's to do.
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never say never.....Nate Clemens was from Ohio, played at Ohio St....and in the end money did the talking.....so with that said, he ant sign'en here, 
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True. I've heard this from some agents in the Bay Area and people inside the 49ers, plus Briggs is all about the cash money. As a fan of the Niners, would like to see this happen too.
And guys Suggs is really overrated. I would not pay this guy $25 million guaranteed after he pooped the bed in a walk year.
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True. I've heard this from some agents in the Bay Area and people inside the 49ers, plus Briggs is all about the cash money. As a fan of the Niners, would like to see this happen too.
And guys Suggs is really overrated. I would not pay this guy $25 million guaranteed after he pooped the bed in a walk year.
Suggs had a down year this year, and still had 5 sacks. Not a great year, but not absolutely horrible either. When the Ravens ran a 3-4 and Suggs was at the OLB spot, he was one of the best in the game. He would go back to that position of he were to come to Cleveland. Unfortunately, it's looking like that isn't even a possibility now.
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True. I've heard this from some agents in the Bay Area and people inside the 49ers, plus Briggs is all about the cash money. As a fan of the Niners, would like to see this happen too.
And guys Suggs is really overrated. I would not pay this guy $25 million guaranteed after he pooped the bed in a walk year.
Suggs had a down year this year, and still had 5 sacks. Not a great year, but not absolutely horrible either. When the Ravens ran a 3-4 and Suggs was at the OLB spot, he was one of the best in the game. He would go back to that position of he were to come to Cleveland. Unfortunately, it's looking like that isn't even a possibility now.
He beats up on bad competition. I firmly think he's a glorified wave rusher that gets so much hype because plays in Baltimore and their history of defense.
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Not to mention that our cap room is closer to the $18 million range than the $30 million range that was reported a few months back.
Until further notified I will take this site for accuracy...
http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp
30.31M with 42 under contract...
If u have something that PROVES 18M...Show us...We wanna know...
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Not to mention that our cap room is closer to the $18 million range than the $30 million range that was reported a few months back.
Until further notified I will take this site for accuracy...
http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp
30.31M with 42 under contract...
If u have something that PROVES 18M...Show us...We wanna know...
You have your sources, I have mine. Doesn't make sense that there is that big of a gap but I believe my sources. Unfortunately, I can't post mine because it's from a pay site. A lot of this is due to salary restructures, etc.
I don't know how much would've been shaved off the cap number by restructuring Bentley & Baxter but I'm sure it wasn't $12 million. The $30 million figure is an "educated guess". Doesn't make sense & I wish we had more cap money, but this is what I've been told.
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Briggs is almost a lock to end up a 49er. He's from NoCal and has ties to the Bay Area.
Yesterday's Washington Post indicated that Dan Snyder was interested in Briggs. This same article also mentioned that Chad Johnson could also be a trade target. Where Snyder is going to get the cap space is anyone's guess. The Skins fans believe they are just one Ocho Stinko away from a SB. 
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Briggs is almost a lock to end up a 49er. He's from NoCal and has ties to the Bay Area.
that's weird. ESPN said he was from Arizona and that the cardinals would make sense.
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It still boils down to our front line. We needs bonafide linemen up front to keep our LB's free to make plays. We didn't have that this past year. Which is why I think the focus should be on DLinemen first, LB's second.
I do also..but the key as we have agreed on is whether Savage can get his linemen in FA..if he gets only one (starter quality) I do expect him to go back in the draft for another one..but maybe later rounds..
If he can't get one starter..then I expect him to seek out the best linemen in the draft and grab him..
The problem is this year there aren't a lot of choices of linemen in the draft..most are not pure NT's..they are more of DE's..
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TEMPE, Ariz. -- The Arizona Cardinals have placed the franchise tag on linebacker Karlos Dansby.
The move prevents Dansby from becoming a free agent, but guarantees him a salary of just over $8 million. Dansby led the Cardinals in tackles last season with 117 despite missing two games. He also had 3 1/2 sacks, three interceptions and four forced fumbles.
He is officially off the market now, for all intents and purposes.
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Dang I wanted the browns to get him. Does this mean briggs is our #1 target in FA?
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This means the Cards won't be signing Calvin Pace then, I'm guessing. Welcome to the Browns.
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Im not all that interested in Briggs either.. Dansby would of been real nice to stick on the inside next to Jackson but we can handle it without. We wont know how good our ILBs truely are until we get some D-Linemen in front of them to protect. I'd like to see how our young linebackers develop this year before we invest in a big-time FA.
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Yeah, I don't think we need a big splash at LB this offseason. If we went into next year with a group consisting of Kam, DQ, Andra, McGinest, Peek, Thompson, Leon, Victor Hobson and Calvin Pace, I'd be excited. Willie's probably only got a year left. I think when we upgrade inside, Andra is the odd man out -- his leadership was nice but enough is enough.
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I don't get why some people are so against signing Briggs. He is my number one realistic free agent option. If people don't want him because of his contract dispute last year I'm telling you that the entire locker room was behind him during that. And if someone says he doesn't fit the 3-4 that is absolutely wrong. He is strong, a great run stuffer, he is big, he is fast, he is young and he can do it all. I would rather get a stud D-Lineman in free agency but that is not going to happen because there are none and I am tired of Andra Davis and Leon Williams playing horrible out there.
Briggs will give us something we don't have, a complete linebacker. Wimbley and Peek are only good at pass rushing and can't cover to save their life. D'Quell is nothing amazing at anything and is below average at coverage and rushing. McGinnest doesn't have the speed to pass rush or cover. Leon Williams is athletic but isn't very good. Andra is slow, can't pass rush, can't cover and misses way too many tackles, but then again all of our linebackers do. Thompson is a special teamer and backup.
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What makes him a complete linebacker? What makes you say he's so much better in coverage than anyone we've got? In what I've seen, he's quick, and a good open field tackler. But he doesn't rush the passer well, doesn't create turnovers, and his coverage is mediocre at best.
Once again, he's a system player. Lovie's Cover 2 defense in Chicago is designed to funnel plays to the weak side linebacker -- Briggs. His stats are padded based on the defensive scheme he plays. He's more of an athlete than a solid linebacker, because that's all his position has dictated.
I mean, I've never seen him in a 3-4 scheme, so maybe he could be good. But its hard to imagine based on what he HAS done. His ability to move laterally would definitely not be taken advantage of to its fullest in our defense.
Maybe he would be an improvement over who we've got inside, but that's not saying much. And, he wouldn't be enough of an improvement to warrant his fat contract he'll be seeking.
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Well, we pretty much saw it happening. Still, every Browns fan has at least a shred of hope, I guess. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3248317Agent: Haynesworth will be tagged as Titans' franchise player Associated Press Updated: February 15, 2008, 5:58 PM ET NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- The agent for Albert Haynesworth said the Tennessee Titans will designate the defensive tackle as the team's franchise player by Thursday's deadline. Agent Chad Speck said he talked with general manger Mike Reinfeldt on Friday and both sides are working on a long-term contract. Speck doesn't anticipate a deal being completed before the deadline for teams to declare franchise players. The franchise designation will guarantee that Haynesworth is paid $6.37 million next season, the average salary of the five highest-paid defensive tackles. He was fourth on that list last year at $6.04 million. Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press
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So basically, he's guaranteed 330,000 more than he made last year by having the franchise tag put on him.. Sounds like a great deal for the Titans... No signing bonus, no long term commitment and the money increase isn't even enough to spend 10 min worrying about...LOL
Perfect deal for the team and if someone is crazy enough to sign him to a long term deal worth lots of money, the Titans get 2 first rounders.. Brilliant....
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No real surprise here. It was pipe dream for anyone who thought we had any real chance at him.
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So basically, he's guaranteed 330,000 more than he made last year by having the franchise tag put on him.. Sounds like a great deal for the Titans... No signing bonus, no long term commitment and the money increase isn't even enough to spend 10 min worrying about...LOL
Perfect deal for the team and if someone is crazy enough to sign him to a long term deal worth lots of money, the Titans get 2 first rounders.. Brilliant....
Actually I believe that since he was (in 2007) one of the top 5 DT's paid he gets a 20% increase with the tag designation. Otherwise the average of the top 5 could be a decrease, if he were #1 in that calculation. (I think he was #3 actually).
Other than the entire amount being guaranteed it is a good deal for the titans (and not bad for Albert either, for one years work). 
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If we just trade DA to St. Louis to finally get Pace, then we could trade Pace to get Haynseworth and then....... ..... 
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PACE?? I heard no such thing of a big announcement!! Is the presser going to be at noon on Saturday afternoon? 
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I for one don't care... I never cared to have him... I think he's a dirty player and didn't want him on the Browns... the Titans can have him.
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There was never a chance Titans was going to let him go....
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