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What does it mean in the grand scheme of all things football related? Not a thing, really. But you can bet his agent had a extra Mai Tai or three after the game....... 
I don't understand this. Since the Pro Bowl is meaningless, what reason do players or agents have to drink?
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what reason do players or agents have to drink?
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I agree with that sentiment.
It's funny, in my mind, and I would figure a good portion of Browns fans' minds, DA has a lot to make up for after that Cincy game. I still say, he lost that game. What's funny about it is his whole season is defined by the Bengals...They got the ball rolling...and brought that ball to a screeching half!
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You're kidding, right? I assume you're just playing devil's advocate. C'mon, you don't think DA stinkin' the joint up in Hawaii might have caused his agent to order an extra beverage or two? It's gotta make the "Derek's the next Tom Brady" argument his agent was gonna use in contract negotiations just a little less valid. Don't you think?
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DA - well....the AFC lost the game during his performance. He missed a lot of receivers. (excuse #1) Granted, he doesn't have the timing with most of the receivers that he has with Bre-bre or KW2....oh, that's right...they were there too...(excuse #2) well, it's been a long time since he's played. He certainly didn't make a case for someone to offer us a 1st & 3rd. I guess we'll probably tender him and he'll walk away after next season.
Or, we'll be smart and only give him a "first round tender" before EVERYBODY saw what you saw. Because I highly doubt their "excuse train" will overcome what their eyes can see.
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And you forgot about the "bad weather conditions" that greatly effected his performance. Arizona????
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But let me say this so it's clear.. This was NOT a good game for DA.. Not at all..
Still don't mean squat unless you just don't like DA and want another reason to beat on him.. if that's the case,, be my guest
[sarcasm] You're right!
National TV in perfect weather with NO real pressure for EVERYBODY to see, and it will have "no effect" on his value. It means "nothing" that in perfect conditions, surrounded by top flight talent, he layed an egg.
No, NFL GM's consider that a moot point!
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Only people who help drive "the excuse machine" will buy into that. Sometimes, reality bites.
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The Pro Bowl is meaningless though isn't it? It's basically going out to the backyard and hitting the broad side of the barn.
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Exactly. Unfortunately the barn evidently kept moving on Derek...... 
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A different look at player performances.... K2, Cribbs & Pontbriand learning how to surf...  http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8069dd0e
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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ROFL.. Those were iddy piddy waves.. Cribbs sucked at first then started to catch on pretty well. Pont might not get the hang of this LOL..
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That's great. We need KW2 surfing.  He needs a new hobby since his motorcycle got damaged.
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I was dissapointed in Joe Thomas . I was hoping to see him let the D run right by him full throttle and bury the Burger 3 feet into the Hawaiian turf.
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I really wouldn't put any stock whatsoever into ANY player's performance.
That is true, but that isn't how this works. I knew what it would be going in:
If DA plays bad, people rip on him.
If DA plays good, people would say it was only an exhibition game and he can't do it when it really counts.
DA made the Pro Bowl. He earned it w/his performance on the field, yet many people on here act like he is garbage and they just know that BQ is better. *L*
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DA made the Pro Bowl. He earned it w/his performance on the field, yet many people on here act like he is garbage and they just know that BQ is better. *L*
I haven't seen anyone say BQ is, without a doubt, better. I think the general line of thinking is that he can't be much worse.
And, I don't think DA made the PB. He backed in. Kind of like we backed into the playoffs in 2002. Do you really believe he's on par with Tom Brady and Brett Favre?
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He backed in to the Pro Bowl? Even though the players and coaches had two-thirds of the vote?
And Brady couldn't be much worse? Dang man..........how does a guy put up those types of numbers if he is soooooooo bad?
Michelle, we are world's apart in our views on DA. I really don't care to argue w/you though. I was kinda hoping we could get along. How about you and I choose to leave DA out of conversations and talk about other things? And I am not saying that in a sarcastic way.
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I was just trying to have a conversation, not argue. But, still on this topic, let me ask you a question... When DA drops back, do you sometimes cringe wondering if he's going to complete the pass? I do. I'm not saying he's soooooooo bad, just that he's about 50% in my eyes. I want a QB that I expect to complete the pass and am shocked when he doesn't...not the other way around.
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No, I don't cringe. Well, I did in the second Bengal game, but that was it. In fact, he gave me a lot of hope this year. In previous years, if it was 3rd and long, I knew one of our QBs would dump it off, pad his stats, far fall short of the first down, and then we would punt. DA often picked up those first downs.
He led an offense that scored a ton of points. Second most in our history. He nearly broke the all time Brown TD mark. He threw for over 3700 yds. I feel the need to clarify......not for you, but for others----no, I am not saying he is the only reason our offense was so good this year.
The team was exciting to watch. He made mistakes, but I knew it was his first year as a starter and he had terrible coaching in college. I have a relative who is a big Steelers fan and he told me that DA and the Brown's offense scared him. He said that was the first time he can remember saying that in a long while.
Michelle, I am not saying he is perfect. Hell, I am not even saying he is a sure thing. I just don't agree w/all the grief he gets on here. Our defense was putrid and they seem to get overlooked. DA put up huge numbers and made the Pro Bowl....and people on here hate on him. I think there is something behind that type of logic, but everyone denies it.
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Michelle, I am not saying he is perfect. Hell, I am not even saying he is a sure thing. I just don't agree w/all the grief he gets on here. Our defense was putrid and they seem to get overlooked. DA put up huge numbers and made the Pro Bowl....and people on here hate on him. I think there is something behind that type of logic, but everyone denies it.
I think I understand where you are coming from, Vers, I really do. Or at least I try. I just think HATE is too strong a word. I don't think anyone hates him, I think they just want to see what the other guy can do. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's the impression I get from reading all the QB debate on this board. We don't have our QB "answer" at this point, but I would hope by opening day next season we do. If it's going to be DA, I hope he improves his timing. If it's going to be BQ, I hope he plays at least a tad better than DA.
Oh, and I think our D is overlooked because we ALL agree that they sucked.
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Perhaps hate is too strong a word, but I meant that in a different context. I mean they are "hating" on him, which means they are assigning too much blame and not dishing out enough credit. And that the viewpoint is slanted.
Michelle, I don't think we have our QB either. And that is precisely why I want to bring both guys in and let them fight it out. I think it would be stupid to trade either one right now. Both men have the potential to be very good QBs. However, both are young and haven't proved themselves yet. Heck, BQ has proven nothing at all.
I have no vested interest in who starts. I do have a preferance, but that doesn't matter. I just think it would be wise to keep both and make sure that we choose the right guy. And that is precisely what I think Savage meant when he said they wanted to prolong the decision as long as possible before getting rid of one of them.
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Michelle, I don't think we have our QB either. And that is precisely why I want to bring both guys in and let them fight it out. I think it would be stupid to trade either one right now. Both men have the potential to be very good QBs. However, both are young and haven't proved themselves yet. Heck, BQ has proven nothing at all.
I have no vested interest in who starts. I do have a preferance, but that doesn't matter. I just think it would be wise to keep both and make sure that we choose the right guy.
I agree with everything you said. Let them fight it out in camp and may the best QB win. I'll be happy with either that way.
To address the offense as a whole, I think they did VERY well last season. Better than we've seen in far too long. I think we have very decent to above average offensive players...but I can't wait until I can call them great players.
To address not giving Anderson enough credit, well, I think he would get far more if he hadn't started backsliding around the mid way point. I really would like to know what caused it. And, I agree with the statement made earlier that it may be more mental than physical with him. If he would have kept playing like the first half, all of this bickering and debate wouldn't be happening. I think this is why we're in agreement to let them duke it out in camp.
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Fair enough, Michelle.
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Michelle, I don't think we have our QB either. And that is precisely why I want to bring both guys in and let them fight it out. I think it would be stupid to trade either one right now. Both men have the potential to be very good QBs. However, both are young and haven't proved themselves yet. Heck, BQ has proven nothing at all.
I have no vested interest in who starts. I do have a preferance, but that doesn't matter. I just think it would be wise to keep both and make sure that we choose the right guy.
I agree with everything you said. Let them fight it out in camp and may the best QB win. I'll be happy with either that way.
To address the offense as a whole, I think they did VERY well last season. Better than we've seen in far too long. I think we have very decent to above average offensive players...but I can't wait until I can call them great players.
To address not giving Anderson enough credit, well, I think he would get far more if he hadn't started backsliding around the mid way point. I really would like to know what caused it. And, I agree with the statement made earlier that it may be more mental than physical with him. If he would have kept playing like the first half, all of this bickering and debate wouldn't be happening. I think this is why we're in agreement to let them duke it out in camp.
I want to chime in on this point...
I don't think it's mental. In fact, DA improved mentally significantly over the year. I don't think his TD/INT ratio down the stretch is indicative of his decision making...many times he wasn't able to connect on the shorter throws.
Physically...I'm not sure he has the accuracy and I wonder how much he can improve from it. We saw it down the stretch and we saw it in the Pro Bowl...he hasn't done well with the short stuff.
But I think we're all in agreement that we want to see DA and Quinn battle it out...but if I have to bet I know who I'd put my money on.
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Perhaps hate is too strong a word, but I meant that in a different context. I mean they are "hating" on him, which means they are assigning too much blame and not dishing out enough credit. And that the viewpoint is slanted.
I'm not "hating" on DA, as you say. I think a lot of posters merely are pointing out the man's weaknesses. I'll give the man credit where credit is due. He made some big time throws and gave the offense a spark behind center that it's been sorely lacking. In the defense of previous QB's, none of them had the level of talent around them that DA has had this year.
Whelp, except for Charlie, but we ain't even going there.
Like I said earlier in this thread, I don't want the man to fail. I support my team, and that includes all 53 men on the roster. Whoever is the best man for the job, give him the rock. Derek is a capable QB. He's shown that he can win us games. He's also shown that he can lose them.
You can say that about every QB is what you guys will say.
Anderson just hasn't had the consistency in my eyes to make me feel confident that we will go out and win. I will always feel we have the POTENTIAL to win. Like I said, he's made big time plays, but he just has the same inconsistencies that people are worrying about, and they haven't improved IMO at all.
And Quinn is still unproven. He was an awesome QB in a big college program, and definitely looked comfortable in the limited time we saw him.
For comparison's sake, since we can't fairly compare each as a starter, we saw each man on a limited basis in the preseason. And the problems I saw in Anderson then, which carried over to the regular season, weren't apparent in Quinn.
It ain't that I'm "hating" on him. I just want what's best for the team. It's JMO.
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When DA drops back, do you sometimes cringe wondering if he's going to complete the pass? I do.
I remember feeling the exact same way about Tommy Maddox. We all did. One Steeler fan was quoted as saying "Every time Maddox drops back to pass, I die a little inside"(meaning you lose minutes off your life each and every time).
Not saying that DA is another Tommy Maddox, just thought I'd share that to let you know that I feel your pain. 
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it's a MEANINGLESS game..
Funny thing is , If DA had torn it up , this is what most posters would be saying.
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He backed in to the Pro Bowl? Even though the players and coaches had two-thirds of the vote?
Ah, so he won a "popularity contest".
At least that's what you say when Browns who "deserve it" don't get in. Now one gets in by that same popularity contest and you use it as a gauge of "how good he is"????
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And Brady couldn't be much worse? Dang man..........how does a guy put up those types of numbers if he is soooooooo bad?
Yes, I think Quinn could rank at LEAST "28th in accuracy" in the NFL. And obviously, well according to MOST, has more "potential" HANDS DOWN than DA.
Thus the contrasting investment in the respective QB's.
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Yeah, he is such a popular guy.  He got votes because he played good. Period. Popularity contest. And will you stop w/the 28th ranked passer stuff? You throw out one or two stats and act like that is an end-all. There are other stats. I think points scored, wins, yds. per pass attempt, and TD to Int. ratio are WAY more important than completion percentage. And completion percentage is so misleading. We had plenty of QBs here who would dump the ball off on third and long---gain a few yards---and then punt the ball after yet another 3 and out......and people would say he completed a high percentage of his passes. He's accurate. It's a complete misrepresentation of stats. You are good at it though.
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I remember feeling the exact same way about Tommy Maddox. We all did. One Steeler fan was quoted as saying "Every time Maddox drops back to pass, I die a little inside
Ahh, those were good days. 
It's weird. In the first Cincy game DA was great and we had confidence when he dropped back to pass. And then there was the Oakland game (the following week I think) he went through a spell where he couldn't get us down the field. His poor performance cost us the game and ultimately that game kept us out of the playoffs. Good teams need to beat the weak teams...and his poor play cost us games against Oakland, Arizona & Cincy (...and the Rams game was none too easy a win).
DA's performance in the Pro Bowl was an exageration of what we witnessed in quite a few games this past season. I was hoping that he would play well so to inflate his FA value. Instead, he exagerated a main weakness of his. In a 'showcase' setting, he showcased his weakness. - meaningless game or not.
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