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What you say makes perfect sense. And I agree with all of it. But....and there's always a "but"....after watching Phil in the last 24 hours it also wouldn't surprise me a bit to wake up tomorrow and see that DA or BQ had been traded for a high pick. Sure makes thing excitin', don't it? 
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I honestly don't think there's an original thought left on this topic. People are typing the same stuff over and over. I'm ready for more news.
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IMHO....Considering that Anderson's $ 14.5M Guaranteed money will have to be absorbed under our salary cap , I don't see us trading him now....
I'm not 100% sure Mammal, but I don't think that's accurate.. only the signing bonus would be something we would have to absorb.. and according to something up a little on this very thread, that may not be due until sometime in April.. so, as of this moment, it wouldn't actually cost a dime.
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Are you still trying to defend yourself? *L*
Hey ddubia and Toad. Nice posts. I doubt what good it will do, because there are people who simply don't want to know the truth. It's been hitting them in the face for quite some time now, but they still aren't getting it.
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To quote myself from the other day
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doubt what good it will do, because there are people who simply don't want to know the truth.
I love how some people on this message board take it so seriously as if it were a primary component of their life.
We all love the browns but this "dammit I know more than you and I have been telling you so and me and other posters PM each other and stroke each others egos because we know it all...and that makes me a bigger and better fan than you ...blah blah"
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I love how some people on this message board take it so seriously as if it were a primary component of their life.
LOL.....and I love how some people on this message board completely misinterpret almost everything they read.
Take it so seriously as if it were a primary component of their life........... 
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Hmmmmm.....I don't think he's gonna take that too well...... Edit: Took it better than I thought.....
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DA`s signing is fine with me...Like most NFL players they try to get what they can...What the FO can do with that player after a signing is completely up to them..
DA showed composure..He was tossed around during pre season with Frye...Frye gets the hatchet and DA stepped into the role rather nicely....
DA kept playing the game while Quinn was selling more jerseys and making commercials....DA never leashed out about the popularity of Quinn..
DA kept comfortable in the huddle and showed his team mates alot of support...
This signing and keeping DA around will help the QB`s play hard for the starting role.....Quinn needs to stay grounded...and focus on his game....Last thing needed is a young QB thinking he`s all that before he plays like he is....
And I think DA is the best QB for now to keep Quinn honest.....And maybe PS and RAC feel the same that could be why Quinn did`nt get much PT..
DA wants to play for the Browns...Thats also a good thing !....jmo....
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The biggest thing I hate about keeping DA is the reaction the crowd will have when DA eventually gets dinged up and Brady comes onto the field. I remember the Couch-Holcomb thing very well.
I was so glad when that controversy was over, and now...
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Anderson: 'This is where I want to be' Jeff Walcoff, Staff Writer 02.29.2008 He might've just signed a new multi-million dollar contract, but Derek Anderson appears to be the same old Derek Anderson. When asked how he'll celebrate the signing of his new contract, he simply said he'd be playing golf with some friends and going to a friend's birthday party. "Nothing crazy," he said. During a conference call with the Cleveland media Friday night he was asked how it felt to be a millionaire. "Oh, it's not like that," he said. "It's good to get things taken care of and know I'm coming back and we can improve on what we did last season." The Browns quarterback agreed to terms on a three-year contract with the team Friday in a deal that will keep him with the club through the 2010 season. Anderson said Cleveland is where he wanted to be all along. "Yesterday I talked to my agent and I said, 'This is where I want to be and let's make sure we do the right things to get that taken care of,'" he said. Anderson has good reason to want to be in Cleveland. The Browns picked him up off waivers in 2005 after the team that drafted him in the sixth round, the Baltimore Ravens, released him. Anderson didn't play in 2005 and appeared in five games in '06 before earning the Browns' starting quarterback role midway through the season opener in '07. He started 15 games for the club in '07 and led the team to a 10-5 record as a starter, nearly guiding the club to the playoffs. "The season we had was awesome. Patience is the biggest thing," he said. "I stayed patient and when I got my chance I was ready to go." General Manager Phil Savage said Friday that the deal he signed suggests Anderson will have a leg up on the starting job over Brady Quinn, giving him his first full offseason to prepare as the team's starter. "Through the spring and into camp it's going to be good," Anderson said. "There'll be giant steps from the year before and we'll grow within the offense. It'll be huge for us. "Obviously we have a lot to accomplish still and I want to be a part of it." Anderson admitted teams began to defend him and the Browns offense differently towards the latter portions of the '07 season once it became apparent that the offense had the ability to put up large amounts of points. He said he thinks the array of weapons the offense still has will go far in preventing teams from cracking down too hard. "It happened towards the end of the season," he said. "We were making big plays in the pass game and teams were aware of that and defended us differently but we have all those weapons and we have Jamal back and I think we can keep doing (having success)." For the time being, the club will continue to have two young, capable quarterbacks on the roster. Savage insisted Friday that both Anderson and Quinn will be on the team through the 2008 season -- and, for that matter, as long as they can hold onto both. "To go into the season with only one quarterback and being an injury away from our whole season being derailed like you see every year in the NFL, I didn't want to put our organization at that risk," he said. "I explained it to our owner. The coaches understand that. The personnel staff understands that. "We're going to have both quarterbacks as long as we can keep them and then we're going to pick one of them. The Cleveland Browns are going to be quarterbacked by one or the other -- either Derek Anderson or Brady Quinn -- for a long time." link
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Here`s a read from QB coach Rip Schere....Sounds like the organization has much respect for DA.... I`ll just post the link for those who want to read it... link
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Hey, as long as DA keeps winning, people will cheer for him.
I won't be surprised if Quinn beats him out. But DA is our starter and he's earned that, plain and simple.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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If thats the case, why did they draft Quinn?
ddub explained it quite well....lets also not forget that there were rumors of the rats trying to trade for quinn also...
savage covered his bases...and its worked quite well....
he took quinn on the premise of charlie, and da not doing well enough....blocked a rival from improving at qb....got a good qb prospect a year early....add to that a dismal qb draft this year, if we needed one in this draft....
it appears to be all well thought out, and that he looked at it from all angles...savage appears to be a solid gm....i'm glad we have him.....
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Yup. What did DA show us in prior years to demonstrate that he would be able to do what he did? Granted, it was a different line and a different set of RBs, but still.
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j/c...this Savage quote says it all...
"Inside our building people are genuinely excited that we have both quarterbacks," Savage said. "I don't worry about what happens outside the building. . . . I know people get their heart set on first- and third-round picks, but who are [the fans] going to look at if we let DA go and then we lose a quarterback and we're running a single wing and we go 2-14? I don't want to take that chance."
Why people don't want to think this way is beyond me. I think Quinn will kick Anderson's ass in camp, personally.
Just think of how the Panthers got de-railed because their QB play sucked when Delhomme went down. Think of how bad the Steelers would be if Roethlisberger went down (the 5-11 Ravens beat the Steelers the week Batch started).
For crying out loud, let's not risk it! May the best man win, and my money's on Quinn but i LOVE knowing that we have Anderson as an insurance policy, and likewise if Anderson falters I'm glad we have Quinn as an insurance policy.
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The thing i like most about this article.
is that DA knows that the deep ball changed the defenses, and that Jamal gets his due right then and there.
What will be nice, is that DA knows what he has to work on, and I see no reason to think that he wont do that. We just gave him respect, and he should do the same.
and if it doesnt work out, oh well. Ya know? It doesnt hurt us too much.
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Why people don't want to think this way is beyond me. I think Quinn will kick Anderson's ass in camp, personally.
Savage was quote as saying there won't be a competition, that DA is the starter.
My belief is that even if Quinn has a better training camp, preseason, etc..., DA will still be the starter and the only way Quinn sees the field this year is if DA gets hurt or his play is not just bad, but downright bad.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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yup....rishuz, youre on the money.
And personally, i think thats the way it should be. DA proved starter quality, and should be the starter until he proves he shouldnt be.
Quinn...well his time will come. and personally again, I hope it's with another team. And I say that, because we have a starter that I hope plays better than anyone else ever could.
I see no reason to think otherwise. If you examine all his flaws, theyre all correctible. and i see no reason why he wouldnt want to correct them, and no reason why he cant correct them.
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Quinn...well his time will come. and personally again, I hope it's with another team. And I say that, because we have a starter that I hope plays better than anyone else ever could.
I think this message gets lost in the shuffle quite a bit when talking DA/Quinn. We want to win games, bottom line. Anderson is our starter, and he will have to play well for us to do that. I just don't see us winning many games inspite of him. So to wish Quinn plays over Anderson is almost like saying 'I hope we lose a bunch of games'.
At this point, Quinn is just an insurance policy. If DA plays better than last year and has progressed, Quinn is gone, IMO.
I think it does speak volumes that the front office 'isn't sure' and that they 'don't want to get it wrong'. That tells me that they feel Quinn could go either direction. If they thought he was a slam dunk, can't miss success waiting to happen, I think things would be a lot different.
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just my two cents on the Camp situation
I think that DA has to be the starter coming into camp. He's earned it... so I don't think there will be an 'open competition'. Obviously if Brady plays head and shoulders better than DA then I think they may take a look at him. But I fully expect DA to be the opening day starter.
I would like to see Brady getting some playing time with the starters though in a pre-season game or two.
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Why people don't want to think this way is beyond me. I think Quinn will kick Anderson's ass in camp, personally.
Savage was quote as saying there won't be a competition, that DA is the starter.
My belief is that even if Quinn has a better training camp, preseason, etc..., DA will still be the starter and the only way Quinn sees the field this year is if DA gets hurt or his play is not just bad, but downright bad.
IF that is truly what Savage is saying, then that's just stupid. I love Phil, and I love what he's done here, but to say that just because DA signed a contract that there's no shot of Quinn playing is stupid or just plain stubborn.
We all know Crennel puts the best guys out there, regardless of what they are being paid. If he feels Brady is the better man, why the hell would he go the other direction?
It's just stupid. You want to win now, and putting in a guy who has a back up who looks better than him is straight up dumb.
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I'm trying to find the quote...now I can't remember if I read it or heard it in Phil's presser.
The general takeaway I had was that DA is the starter and is going into the season as the starter. There is no planned competition. Quinn is the #2. It's black and white.
Now if Quinn plays better than DA in camp or preseason, I really think the only thing that will do is make Crennel not so hesitant about pulling DA if he starts stinking up the joint.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I think it does speak volumes that the front office 'isn't sure' and that they 'don't want to get it wrong'. That tells me that they feel Quinn could go either direction. If they thought he was a slam dunk, can't miss success waiting to happen, I think things would be a lot different.
JMHO...
I think it also can be said they feel the same way about DA. If they were sure he would be great they would have signed him to the 6 year deal that he wanted. If they were sure he was the best man for the job his value will only increase and it will cost more to extend him next time.
The fact is I don't think they are sure about either. This way they can take their time and make sure they get the decision right. It doesn't hurt for Quinn to wait a little longer. Of course if DA has a preseason like he did this past year it will get very interesting.
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Why people don't want to think this way is beyond me. I think Quinn will kick Anderson's ass in camp, personally.
This will only happen if there is competition….My fear is there will be no competition because of lucrative contract to DA. I’ll be really disappointed if that actually happens
I am trying to understand what did savage and coaches saw in DA to give such offer, and make BQ sit for one more year. On other hand I think they will try to shop BQ or he will ask for that
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Why people don't want to think this way is beyond me. I think Quinn will kick Anderson's ass in camp, personally.
This will only happen if there is competition….My fear is there will be no competition because of lucrative contract to DA. I’ll be really disappointed if that actually happens
I am trying to understand what did savage and coaches saw in DA to give such offer, and make BQ sit for one more year. On other hand I think they will try to shop BQ or he will ask for that
according to phil he said something like we didn't pay DA 8 mill to ride the bench. He's the starter and there is no competition
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Why people don't want to think this way is beyond me. I think Quinn will kick Anderson's ass in camp, personally.
This will only happen if there is competition….My fear is there will be no competition because of lucrative contract to DA. I’ll be really disappointed if that actually happens
I am trying to understand what did savage and coaches saw in DA to give such offer, and make BQ sit for one more year. On other hand I think they will try to shop BQ or he will ask for that
according to phil he said something like we didn't pay DA 8 mill to ride the bench. He's the starter and there is no competition
Romeo said there is competition, and Romeo has the last word
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I got the info about the possible DA trade from another board so I deleted this because I was unfamiliar with the no rumors / no links to other boards rule. I guess we'll just have to wait for it to MAKE THE NEWS.
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Initially I thought Anderson going to the Vikes made a ton of sense, considering they're one of the few teams in need of a QB that wouldn't have to sacrifice such a ton of value as far as draft picks. Actually, when we traded our second-rounder for Williams I though Savage must have had a plan in place for DA to depart, and Minnesota was one of the top potential takers. However, having gone through these first few signings without any talk about bringing anyone in to back up Quinn, I tend to think that DA really will stay.
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j/c...this Savage quote says it all...
"Inside our building people are genuinely excited that we have both quarterbacks," Savage said. "I don't worry about what happens outside the building. . . . I know people get their heart set on first- and third-round picks, but who are [the fans] going to look at if we let DA go and then we lose a quarterback and we're running a single wing and we go 2-14? I don't want to take that chance."
Why people don't want to think this way is beyond me. I think Quinn will kick Anderson's ass in camp, personally.
Just think of how the Panthers got de-railed because their QB play sucked when Delhomme went down. Think of how bad the Steelers would be if Roethlisberger went down (the 5-11 Ravens beat the Steelers the week Batch started).
For crying out loud, let's not risk it! May the best man win, and my money's on Quinn but i LOVE knowing that we have Anderson as an insurance policy, and likewise if Anderson falters I'm glad we have Quinn as an insurance policy.
I agree with this whole post and have been saying it until I was blue in the face. That is except for Quinn kicking DA's butt in camp. I don't know if that will happen or not.
I also think you have changed your tune so fast that I don't know if you are sincere. I can see you calling for DA to be traded if he is the starter and has a bad 1st drive.
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"Inside our building people are genuinely excited that we have both quarterbacks," Savage said. "I don't worry about what happens outside the building. . . . I know people get their heart set on first- and third-round picks, but who are [the fans] going to look at if we let DA go and then we lose a quarterback and we're running a single wing and we go 2-14? I don't want to take that chance."
Why people don't want to think this way is beyond me. I think Quinn will kick Anderson's ass in camp, personally.
Just think of how the Panthers got de-railed because their QB play sucked when Delhomme went down. Think of how bad the Steelers would be if Roethlisberger went down (the 5-11 Ravens beat the Steelers the week Batch started).
For crying out loud, let's not risk it! May the best man win, and my money's on Quinn but i LOVE knowing that we have Anderson as an insurance policy, and likewise if Anderson falters I'm glad we have Quinn as an insurance policy.
I agree with this whole post and have been saying it until I was blue in the face. That is except for Quinn kicking DA's butt in camp. I don't know if that will happen or not.
I also think you have changed your tune so fast that I don't know if you are sincere. I can see you calling for DA to be traded if he is the starter and has a bad 1st drive.
I have a case of seller's remorse, like selling a car you're not sure you want to part with just yet.
It's like on your wedding day you suddenly realize what you're doing.
I may think Quinn is really the answer and Anderson won't do as well as he did this past year because of how teams defended him in the 2nd half, but I'm just not comfortable ruining one of the best QB situations in the NFL.
But a 1st and 2nd rounder may make me change my tune again. My thoughts on this topic are very fluid because dynamics change constantly.
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Speaking of the draft, the Browns were at least prepared for the idea of Anderson turning down their offer and going elsewhere, bringing a first and a third round pick as compensation. But given the choice, the Browns wanted Anderson to stay. And without going into too much detail, Savage talked about a possible scenario where a playoff team may have pursued Anderson with the intention of then trading him elsewhere on draft day.
Interesting. A playoff team? My guess would be Dallas. Sign DA, cough up their 1st and 3rd. Then ship DA, our old #22 pick, possibly another player or two and/or picks to Miami for the #1 and then take McFadden.
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Interesting. A playoff team? My guess would be Dallas. Sign DA, cough up their 1st and 3rd. Then ship DA, our old #22 pick, possibly another player or two and/or picks to Miami for the #1 and then take McFadden.
i like the way you think... I could def see that happening. Either that or NE
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Ah the signing of DA.
You mean the contract that pays DA the starter money? The contract that sends Quinn the message that he's second fiddle because you paid DA over 2 mil more per season?
If I were Quinn I'd raise hell wanting OUT of Cleveland! I think this is a slap in the face to Quinn. I hope he raises hell untill Phil HAS to deal him away and Phil chokes on DA.
DA is a mediocre never was with one HALF of a decsent season, then showed his true colors and tanked like many knew he would. Result? He gets paid more than Quinn?
Like I said, I hope Quinn raises so much hell and causes so much chaos that Phil has NO CHOICE but to trade him. Then he'll be stuck with Kyle Bowler........I mean Derrik Anderson.
Some mediocre never was that he overpaid. I hope Quinn makes him pay for it and I wouldn't blame him. If this FO doesn't see Quinn as the future by now, we don't have one!
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Ah the signing of DA.
You mean the contract that pays DA the starter money? The contract that sends Quinn the message that he's second fiddle because you paid DA over 2 mil more per season?
If I were Quinn I'd raise hell wanting OUT of Cleveland! I think this is a slap in the face to Quinn. I hope he raises hell untill Phil HAS to deal him away and Phil chokes on DA.
DA is a mediocre never was with one HALF of a decsent season, then showed his true colors and tanked like many knew he would. Result? He gets paid more than Quinn?
Like I said, I hope Quinn raises so much hell and causes so much chaos that Phil has NO CHOICE but to trade him. Then he'll be stuck with Kyle Bowler........I mean Derrik Anderson.
Some mediocre never was that he overpaid. I hope Quinn makes him pay for it and I wouldn't blame him. If this FO doesn't see Quinn as the future by now, we don't have one!
Soooo, you want Quinn to be a team cancer?
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If this FO doesn't see Quinn as the future by now, we don't have one!
I'm pro Quinn but you need a chill pill dude.
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