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I won't say that Phil Savage is smarter than you
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While you are entitled to you opinion, your thinking flies in the face of a much more experienced individual..
I gotta go with Phil on this one.
I agree with Phil also. The thing is I hate when people use the arguement where they always defer to Savage because he knows more. He is human and does make mistakes. He does not have a perfect track record and I don't fault anyone who disagrees with him if they have what I think is a valid reason.
I think Pit is wrong, just like he was with Romeo. I don't think his opinion is crazy because of what DA has shown at times. I really hope Pit has to start another eating crow thread over this. Otherwise DA will have failed.
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Well, to be fair, we really don't know if Pit is wrong about anything yet. Romeo had one good year. I hope he can repeat it. But one good year won't propel him to the HOF. DA had about 2/3 of a good year. We'll see what he's got in year 2 as a starter. Hopefully, they'll both prove any doubters wrong. But let's not forget it was less than a year ago that everyone, and I mean everyone, on this board thought DA was a "Grade A" turd. We can all share in that.... 
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Well, to be fair, we really don't know if Pit is wrong about anything yet. Romeo had one good year. I hope he can repeat it. But one good year won't propel him to the HOF.
Pit wasn't requiring the HOF. He was claiming the team had not improved and all indications were that it would not so long as RAC was the HC.
For the record, Pit ate his crow. He'll do it again if he's wrong. Standup guy. More than can be said about many on here.
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I'll go as far as "marginal starter at best".
I won't say that Phil Savage is smarter than you,, that woudn't be fair since I don't personally know either you or Phil at all...
Signing DA makes sense. Phil is pretty smart. He only signed him for "three years". After this year, DA will be VERY tradable if Phil so chooses to do so. I'm not questioning the wisdom in signing him.
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But he's without a doubt, way more experienced in this industry than you and he just agreed to a 3 year deal paying DA pretty well.
Precisely. Phil was WAY too smart to make him a six year deal like DA wanted. Phil did not sign a "franchise QB type deal" with DA. Phil is VERY smart for that!
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While you are entitled to you opinion, your thinking flies in the face of a much more experienced individual..
I gotta go with Phil on this one.. Only makes sense to me. But to each his own I guess.
No, Quinn will need a quality back up in case of injury. DA knows the system and will do well in that regard. I mean the kid can put up a good battle on a "part time basis". I mean for "part of a season" he can look pretty good.
He's a nice security blanket. And compared to what else is out there, I think Phil did okay. We're not as far apart as you think.
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I knew someone would jump the HOF reference. The HOF reference was probably a poor choice of words. Obviously, Pit wasn't saying Romeo had to be HOF quality. And I know he apologized for ragging on RAC. I said it then and I'll say it now, I didn't think he had anything to apologize for. In my mind you apologize for calling someone a name, or making up a stat. Not having a differing opinion than most on the board.
Frankly, if a person had to apologize every time he/she was proved wrong they'd have to create a new forum. Anyway, I think people oughta realize that most of what's written on here should be taken with a grain of salt. There'd be a lot less angst.
I also stick by what I said originally. DA and Romeo can prove something definitively this year. I hope they do. And I hope it's good. Until then it's all just speculation on how good or bad they are.
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Pit wasn't requiring the HOF. He was claiming the team had not improved and all indications were that it would not so long as RAC was the HC.
That's it precisely. I questioned his decision making and his ability to lead. There was something "not quite right" with what was going on. It was later revealed that Granthom was the cause of the confusion and power struggle. I saw problems, but my theory as to the root of the problem was severly flawed.
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For the record, Pit ate his crow. He'll do it again if he's wrong. Standup guy. More than can be said about many on here.
Honestly, I don't "flip flop". I don't believe DA has "the physical tools" to be a franchise QB. I feel if our RB goes down or we have OL injuries crop up, DA becomes an ugly duckling once again. And even when "conditions are perfect" he's irratic and innacurate at best.
And yes, I'll gladly eat crow if I'm wrong. For if I am wrong, it would be best for the Browns.
Thanks for the kudo's ddub. BTW- Since I ate crow about RAC, I'll toot my own horn about Joe Thomas. I was 100% correct about that one!
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I don't believe DA has "the physical tools" to be a franchise QB.
Whoooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...Wait a minute...
Talk to us...I thought it was what's between the ears...
He's got ALL the Physical stuff...Tall...Big Arm...Good enuff Mobility...
Explain yourself Lucy...NOW... 
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Tall with a "big, yet innacurate arm". Mobility? Have you ever seen him throw while scrambling?  Yes, he's tall and has arm strength. Otherwise? Not much.............
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You should be on the radio there Pit. The lines are all lit up!
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Your right Pitt, the physical is not what has ever slowed DA. Again, why does a guy that has a cannon, so big, so physically talented not get drafted high?
Obviously just cuz your drafted high or low doesn't ensure anything, but this guy fell threw the draft and threw a QB starved team.
The guy has a track record, and I think fans just don't get that the DA we saw the second half is the real DA. Up and Down. If a team can handle that great.
I just want him to not have horrible games keep it consistent DA and you'll be an OK QB!
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j/c Hope this wasnt posted already: Breaking down Anderson's contractA source provided The Dispatch with additional information on Derek Anderson’s three-year, $24 million contract today. Here are the details: +The deal includes a $7 million signing bonus. +Anderson has a roster bonus of $5 million due before the 2009 season. +Another roster bonus of $2 million is due before the 2010 season. +Also included are Pro Bowl and performance incentives that total $1 million. What stands out most is the huge roster bonus of $5 million due before the 2009 season. This confirms everyone’s suspicion that Cleveland’s two-quarterback system is a one-year experiment. The Browns will not pay Anderson a $5 million roster bonus next year unless they are convinced he is their long-term solution at quarterback. If not, the Browns likely will make a trade and turn to Brady Quinn. Of course, all of this hinges on Anderson's performance in 2008. jwalker@dispatch.comPosted by James Walker on March 6, 2008 8:01 PM | Permalink web page
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Posted in the Quinn thread, but belongs here too.
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I thought we weren't allowed to post rumors. I almost just got banned for it. Though I've seen people do this and post links to pft all the time. 
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The Browns will not pay Anderson a $5 million roster bonus next year unless they are convinced he is their long-term solution at quarterback. If not, the Browns likely will make a trade and turn to Brady Quinn.
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Oh, I don't mind that they signed Anderson.
But 8 mil a year for a back up is a tad steep.
Anderson doesn't have the skill set for an NFL franchise QB, plain and simple.
It's NOT 8M a year...It's around a 3.28M cap hit in 2008...Which is SUPERB to find out where we stand...
Bases
2008: $950,000
2009: $1.45Million
2010: $7.45Million
7M Signing Bonus
An Odd 1M in Incentives whenever paid or earned...
That's a SUPERBLY layed-out contract in this situation...Plain & Simple... 
Signed a three-year, $24 million contract. The deal contains $14.5 million in guarantees, including a $7 million signing bonus. Another $1 million is available through incentives based on Pro Bowls and performance. 2008: $950,000, 2009: $1.45 million (+ $5 million roster bonus), 2010: $7.45 million (+ $2 million roster bonus)
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=Nfl&id=3233
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Ahh, nice to see the actual layout of the deal.
That spells out the plan completely right there... let him try to earn the starting spot and IF he can hold it through to 2010, then he gets his big paycheck. Until then, over the next two seasons he gets a fat little signing bonus and mediocre salaries that are VERY affordable.
Damn, that's an AWESOME deal for us.
It also explains quite clearly why he didn't sign it right away, but it also makes me wonder just how little was out there for him that he came back and signed that on the FIRST DAY of Free Agency. It says to me that it seems that NOONE, at this point, is convinced that he is more than a flash in the pan or the benefactor of great surroundings.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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I'm the first one to preach that believing everything that coaches and GM's say is living in pretendland, but in this case, I never once doubted that Savage wanted to keep Anderson at all costs. I fully believed he wouldn't let Anderson go unless someone signed him to a sheet, costing a team the 1st and a 3rd, and in that context, Anderson clearly wasn't worth such an investment.
As an honest free agent, Anderson would have gotten a pretty fat contract, but with the high tender, there wasn't a team willing to give him the kind of HUGE contract required to force the Browns to pass on accepting it, as well as paying out the 1st and 3rd round picks.
It made perfect sense to test the restricted market, then to accept this deal. It works for both sides, as it's highly unlikely Anderson will play so badly that he won't earn the 2009 roster bonus from someone. That means he'll most likely get his $14+ million over two years. Good deal for everyone.
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