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Rogers reminds me of "Big Money", tons of talent but an underachiever and well...Lazy!  I Really hope that RAC can get this guy motivated. I don't like the idea of giving away all of our draft picks, and I am a LB fan. Just hope this thing for us. JMHO Go Brownies!!!
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PRO: Rogers returned in 2007 and started all 16 games after a 2006 season that was cut short due to an injury. Rogers is one of the most disruptive forces as a defensive tackle in the NFL, combining his massive size and tremendous ability that is matched by few. He signed a six-year contract extension following the 2004 season and is the anchor of the Lions’ defense. Rogers also has made an impact on special teams throughout his career and has blocked more kicks (11; 10 FG, 1 PAT) than any other NFL player since 2001. He has overpowering strength coming off his blocks and was considered a “steal” for the Lions in the second round (61st overall) of the 2001 NFL Draft.
MANE FACTS:
• Pro Bowls: 2005, 2006
• Donated game tickets to Don Bosco Hall through the Lions CATS (Caring Athletes Ticket Service) for Kids program.
• Interacted with 2,000 Detroit-area underprivileged children at the NFL Experience Kids’ Day the week of Super Bowl XL.
• Collects throwback jerseys.
• Eats a pulled chicken sandwich before every home game.
• Enjoys the Lord of the Rings trilogy and the movie The Five Heartbeats.
• With former teammates James Hall, Robert Porcher, Dan Wilkinson and Joey Harrington, Rogers appeared in a Disney commercial in 2003 promoting the release of Disney’s “The Lion King “on DVD.
• Assistant Cub Scout leader in his youth.
Rogers' Single-Game Bests
Tackles 11 vs. Ten 10/21/01
Sacks 2.5 vs. Den 11/4/07
Forced Fumbles 1 (four times) Last vs. Atl 11/24/05
Fumble Recoveries 2 at GB 11/10/02
Interceptions 1 vs. Den 11/4/07
Long Int. Return 66t vs. Den 11/4/07
Blocked Field Goals 2 at SF 11/4/01
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Proved to be one of the league’s dominating defensive forces this season. Led the team and set a career high with 7.0 sacks. Also returned an interception 66 yards for a touchdown and notched 66 tackles (44 solo). NFC Pro Bowl alternate.
• Rogers excelled while starting at nose tackle at Oakland (9/9), making four tackles (three solo), blocking a field goal, disrupting the line en route to helping limit the Raiders to 92 yards rushing and disrupting the progression of Raiders QB Josh McCown on Travis Fisher’s interception.
• Against Minnesota (9/16), Rogers posted a solid day, making two tackles (one solo) and recovering the fumble in overtime that led to the Lions’ game-winning field goal.
• Started at nose tackle at Philadelphia (9/23), posting five tackles (four solo).
• Rogers had an excellent game against Chicago (9/30), making five tackles (four solo), recording one sack (nine yards) and blocking a field goal, the 11th blocked kick of his career (10th blocked field goal).
• At Washington (10/7), Rogers made five tackles (three solo).
• Rogers made four tackles (three solo) and recovered a fumble against Tampa Bay (10/21).
• Made five tackles (three solo) and had one sack (seven yards) at Chicago (10/28).
• Had a monster game against Denver (11/4), posting five tackles (three solo), a career-high 2.5 sacks (15 yards) and making an interception that he returned 66 yards for a touchdown. Earned NFC Defensive Player of the Week (Week 9), the second such honor of his career.
• Posted four tackles (two solo), including one tackle for loss, against Green Bay (11/22).
• Had five tackles (three solo) at San Diego (12/16).
• Rogers made seven tackles (five solo) in addition to two sacks (17 yards) against Kansas City (12/23).
• Closed out the season with six tackles (three solo) and half of a sack at Green Bay (12/30).
2006:
Recorded 36 tackles (23 solo), three sacks and one fumble recovery in six starts.
• Had a monster game against Seattle (9/10), tallying seven tackles (five solo), one tackle for loss, 2.0 sacks for a loss of 13 yards and blocked his eighth career field goal attempt.
• Registered five tackles (three solo) and one tackle for loss at Chicago (9/17).
• Led the defensive line against Green Bay (9/24) with six tackles (four solo) and one tackle for loss.
• Recorded five tackles (two solo) and one tackle for loss at St. Louis (10/1).
• Tied his season-best tackles performance with seven tackles (five solo) and one tackle for loss at Minnesota (10/8).
• Switched over to play the NT position against Buffalo (10/15) after starting the first five at UT to produce six tackles (four solo), one sack, one tackle for loss and had a fumble recovery. With his performance against Buffalo, Rogers matched his total tackles in all of the 2005 season with 36.
• Rogers’ sack of QB JP Losman in the second quarter against the Bills was Rogers third of the season, and the 15 yards lost on the play were the most on a sack in Rogers' career.
• Added to the Reserve/Suspended list October 18, 2006 and missed four games (10/22 at New York Jets, 11/5 vs. Atlanta, 11/12 vs. San Francisco and 11/19 at Arizona) to serve the suspension.
• Was activated off the Reserve/Suspension list November 24.
• Inactive at New England (12/3) due to a knee injury.
• Placed on the Reserve/Injured list on December 6, 2006 with a knee injury.
2005:
Was named to the 2006 Pro Bowl marking his second appearance in Hawaii after recording a career and season high of 5.5 sacks and recording his eighth career blocked kick.
• Recorded a key sack on Green Bay’s final drive for a loss of 12 yards, preventing GB from entering the end zone (9/11).
• Tallied second straight game with a sack at Chicago (9/18) for a loss of six yards.
• Had his eighth career blocked kick against Carolina (10/16) to prevent a Panthers field goal.
• Also assisted in a sack vs. the Panthers for a loss of 5 yards.
• Recorded first forced fumble of the season at Dallas (11/20).
• Had second consecutive game with a forced fumble vs. Atlanta (11/24).
• Recorded a sack on QB Brad Johnson against Minnesota (12/4) to help stop a Vikings scoring drive. Also recorded two tackles for loss on the game.
• Sacked Brett Favre at Green Bay (12/11) to set a career best mark with 4.5 sacks in a season.
• Recorded a sack on Bengals QB Carson Palmer against Cincinnati (12/18) to help stall a potential scoring drive in the second quarter.
• Had his first career touchdown, a 21-yard fumble recovery (forced by DE James Hall) in the second quarter at New Orleans (12/24). It was the game’s only touchdown as he carried several Saints players into the end zone with him.
• Led the defensive line in tackles at Pittsburgh (1/1) with 6 (4 solo).
2004:
Selected to his first Pro Bowl for his performance in 2004.
• Voted by his teammates as the Lem Barney Defensive MVP.
• Named NFC Defensive Player of the Week for his Week Seven efforts at the New York Giants (10/24), which included four tackles, one pass deflection and one sack, his fourth of the season.
• Blocked three kicks during the 2004 season: one PAT and two field goals.
• Blocked his fifth-career field goal, which was returned an NFL record 92-yards for a touchdown by Bracy Walker in the season opener at Chicago (9/12).
• Also recovered his third career fumble to set up a field goal, recorded one sack and five tackles at the Bears.
• Recorded two sacks for a combined loss of 14 yards at Atlanta (10/10), the second multi-sack game of his career.
• Tallied a then season-high seven tackles and one pass defense vs. Jacksonville (11/14).
• Blocked a Mike Vanderjagt PAT vs. Indianapolis (11/25), the first extra-point block of his career.
• Finished the year with a season-high eight tackles at Tennessee (1/2) and blocked a 27-yard field goal attempt, his third blocked kick of the season.
2003:
Named an alternate to the 2004 Pro Bowl for the first time in his career , voted by his teammates as the Chuck Hughes Most Improved Player and named to Football Digest’s All-Pro second-team.
• Racked up a career-best four sacks, third best on the team.
• Had a season-high eight tackles (all solos) against Dallas (10/19), including two tackles-for-loss.
• Played perhaps his best game of the season to date versus Oakland (11/2) with six tackles (three solos), a sack of Marques Tuiasosopo on third down just short of the Raiders’ goal-line, a pass defense, two quarterback pressures and a team-high three quarterback knockdowns.
• Recorded his third sack of the season against Green Bay (11/27), as well as a pass defense, three quarterback knockdowns, a pressure and four tackles (one solo).
• Put together a great game to end the season against St. Louis (12/28) with a sack, forced fumble, three tackles (one solo), three quarterback knockdowns and four hurries and helped limit the Rams’ rushing attack to just 41 yards in the game. His sack and forced fumble of Marc Bulger in St. Louis territory led to a Lions’ touchdown.
2002:
Recorded six tackles (two solo) against Carolina (9/15) and blocked a 46-yard field goal attempt in the first quarter.
• Inactive vs. Green Bay (9/22) and vs. New Orleans (9/29) after sustaining a hand injury against the Panthers in Week 2 and was forced to play with a cast for the rest of the season.
• Finished with five tackles (three solos), a sack and a pass defense and blocked a 43-yard field goal attempt vs. Minnesota (12/29).
2001: Ranked third on the team and led all NFL defensive lineman with 97 tackles (62 solos).
• Voted as the Mel Farr Rookie of the Year by his teammates and was ranked one of the 10-best rookies of the 2001 season by the Sporting News.
• Started in place of injured Luther Elliss in the season opener at Green Bay (9/9) and posted six tackles (three solo) in his first NFL action.
• Had breakout day after posting his first professional sack as well as his first career multi-sack game with two sacks at Minnesota (10/14) in addition to eight tackles (three solos).
• Posted his first double-digit tackle game (11; seven solos) vs. Tennessee (10/21).
• Blocked two field goal attempts at San Francisco (11/4), the second being a 19-yard attempt with 1:56 left in the fourth quarter that gave the Lions a chance to tie the game. His first block of the day was a 49-yard attempt in the second quarter, the first for a Lion since James Jones batted an attempt away at New Orleans (9/3/00).
• Led the team in tackles vs. Dallas (1/6/02) with 10 stops (seven solos) and a pass defensed.
Personal
• Two-way tackle at LaPorte (Tex.) High.
• Also lettered in basketball.
• Father, Ernie, played at Rice (1975-78), was drafted by the Dallas Cowboys in 1979 and played in the Canadian Football League and also for the Houston Gamblers in the United States Football League.
College
• Started 20 of 41 games he played in for the Texas Longhorns, ranking third on the school’s career-record list with 53 stops behind the line of scrimmage as well as collecting 199 tackles (108 solo) with 14 sacks and 54 pressures during his career…
• All-Big 12 second-team choice in 2000 despite being hindered for much of the year with a high-ankle sprain that would require surgery after the season. Despite lack of usual mobility, he was one of the major reasons Texas limited opponents to only 94.0 yards per game rushing, the lowest figure by a Longhorn squad since 1983, and the Longhorns led the nation in pass efficiency defense (88.3) and ranked seventh in total defense (278.3 ypg) as well.
• In 1999, he earned All-Big 12 Conference first-team honors, joining Pittsburgh Steelers 2000 first round choice, Casey Hampton in becoming the Longhorns’ first defensive tackle tandem to garner such accolades in the same season since Ray Dowdy and Greg Ploetz in 1971.
• Started 12 of 13 games as a junior, recording a career-high 80 tackles (43 solo) with 5.5 sacks for 33 yards and 24 quarterback pressures. His 27 stops for loss of (84 yards) rank second on the school’s season-record list behind Kiki DeAyala’s 33 in 1982.
If this dude can get his mind right. Wow!
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You better believe it.  And those grunts helped us win a lot of games last year.
I also love defensive linemen. I'm glad Savage is really trying hard to fix the d-line. I might not agree w/the Rogers move, but the dude is trying hard to fix a weakness and perhaps he has a backup plan for cornerback. All I know for sure is that he recognizes our weakness on the d-line, and he is trying to fix it.
Btw...........isn't anyone else interested in Haggans? The guy can get after the QB and he would help at OLB.
Maybe they have "pittsburgh fear" since every OLB to leave Pittsburgh ends up being a waste (see: Jason Farrior, Joey Porter).
See Mike Vrabel 
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It just seems strange for savage to not have any picks......but as I said somewhere else, maybe it is simply a matter of our position and the draft class. Maybe in his estimation drafted players really isn't the way to go this year to make immediate impact to the team.
Round 4 is where he can draft a guard or something to develop.
Draft Picks? We don't need no stinking Draft Picks! 
The deal as I see it is that the Browns had some goals for this offseason.
*Re-sign DA
*Re-sign Lewis
*Rebuild the Front 7
They've got DA done.
They've got Lewis done.
They've got the DL done.
...and there's still plenty of cap space to bring in a LB or two.
If we look at it like setting offseaon goals and meeting them, I'd say so far Savage and the Browns are 100%. They're but a LB from having reached all the goals they set. Completely, and in ONE offseason!
It doesn't matter to me how they did it. They've succeeded beyond my wildest expectations.
They've pulled a "DA". 
The DL prospects were thin and Williams was off the market.
And they ain't done!
Draft picks be damned. The offseason goals are being successfully made.
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Draft Picks? We don't need no stinking Draft Picks!
Some time back I said "screw the picks", good players is what it is all about.
As Browns fans we have had to look at picks as our salvation because we didn't have any good players.
This isn't to say picks aren't important, but picks IMO are about 30% of the process.....not 100% of the process as it has been the last 10 years.
Give me a solid proven pro with 5-6 years in the tank over a pick any day of the week
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Given the fact that our DL is still really, really thin ......... (which is rather odd given the girth of some of these guys) it wouldn't surprise me to see us go after another less known and less expensive developmental guy as well.
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It really doesn't...
I would take a Rogers & Williams for a 2nd and 3rd pick every day of the week...
Best thing is...Other than inking Williams...WE AIN'T EVEN STARTED YET...lmao...
So we lose the picks...Big deal...We end up with Quinn/Williams/Rogers...I take that and run...
I'll just extend my Florida vacation 1 day...
There's 2 reasons why we have so much cap room...
1) It's been upped...
2) We don't have guys like Couch/Brown/Warren/Green/Faine around...
BTW...The Cincy boards are LIT UP with suicidal fans...lmfao...And the Steelers are goin' bonkers thinking we're the team now...
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And the Steelers are goin' bonkers thinking we're the team now...
I guess they aren't as stupid as we thought.
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Given the fact that our DL is still really, really thin ......... (which is rather odd given the girth of some of these guys) it wouldn't surprise me to see us go after another less known and less expensive developmental guy as well.
I think you could be right......one of those 2nd-3rd tier guys....possibly one picked with one of those later round picks.
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Now I'm REALLY wondering about Leonard and a Purcell...
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You never know....and we just signed Pittman, so you would think we still think he has a chance to be decent enough......Maybe Simons replacement.
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As of now, who do you all see as our starting front 7?
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I would take a Rogers & Williams for a 2nd and 3rd pick every day of the week...
Love the Williams trade... Rogers remains to be seen. Is his knee healthy, will he get in shape, will he show up the entire season? Is he really worth giving up Bodden and a 3rd for? I hate to pee on the Love Parade but worst case scenario, this could end up costing us a 3rd round pick and a really good corner, (if Bodden gets and stays healthy). Or maybe it ends up costing us a 3rd just so we could trade players with possible health & consistency issues. If Rogers is healthy, in shape and plays to his full potential every game, I'll end up loving this trade too but until I know what we are really getting, losing Le-High and a 3rd stings a little.
 
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You're not so wrong as confused.
Wow! I never knew I even quoted the guy. And I sure as hell had no idea what he was talking about when he said something about he could read. LOL
Thanks for the breakdown. Funny stuff.
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Draft picks be damned. The offseason goals are being successfully made.
You know Ddub,, I was wondering what the reaction was going to be to not having a first day pick...
I can't get out of my head that the correct way to build a team is with the Draft... that is stuck there. But if you are close,, I mean a player or two away, maybe you get them where ever you can.. FA, Draft, UDFA, Trade, Where ever you find them.
I'm wondering if this means that Savage thinks the Browns are further along then we as fans feel they are.. maybe he thinks that the brass ring is within reach....
Just a little food for thought...
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j/c here.
It's getting old deleting posts about wives and mothers and the other inane stuff that has been posted in this thread.
Talk football please. You wanna kick the bobo about this other stuff, go to the Tailgate Lot.
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I can't get out of my head that the correct way to build a team is with the Draft... that is stuck there. But if you are close,, I mean a player or two away, maybe you get them where ever you can.. FA, Draft, UDFA, Trade, Where ever you find them.
I'm wondering if this means that Savage thinks the Browns are further along then we as fans feel they are.. maybe he thinks that the brass ring is within reach....
Just a little food for thought...
Personally, I think modern free agency negates the whole build through the draft theory to a large degree, especially for teams not making the playoffs consistently. The desire to get the monster pay day pretty much tosses loyalty out the window. If you can get a proven player, who is healthy and young and keep him performing and under contract for 3-5 years, then it's not a bad way to go. The downside is obviously the price tag. However, first round picks get big money too but come to the team basically unproven. In our case this season, we had no 1st rounder anyway, so the odds of getting DL players with immediate impact seems slim and Phil knows what the class is like so IMO he got what we needed in Williams and (hopefully) Rogers and luckily for us they were there to be had. (Player availability has as much to do with it as anything.) As far as the actual building part goes, I really thought we'd go after a guy like Red Bryant until we took Rogers, so it looks like it'll be BPA in the 4th on down, (assuming we don't trade those picks away too,) and those are pretty much crap shoot picks anyway. JMHO
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DL:
R.Smith
Rogers
Williams
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Wimbley
Davis
Jackson
Peek
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E. Wright
McDonald
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Jones
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Man-o-man...my eggs are tasting good this morning! I cannot even believe what we've accomplished in a couple of days. At the rate we're going I'll be out with the wife on draft day. Who cares HOW will fill the needs so long as we DO...and with tallent...which is what we're doing. WAY TO GO PHIL! I wanna shout out a thanks to Leigh Bodden. A lot of people have been down on him lately but heck, with our DL, corners really had their work cut out for them. He did a pretty good job for us and I wish him well in Detroit. I'm sure our FA business will be slowing down very soon...but we've had a hell of a couple of days. WAY TO GO PHIL! SUPER-EFFIN-BOWL BABY!
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I just wanna make a comment to those who think we're crazy not having a pick in the 1st 3 rounds this year...As of now anyways... Building thru the draft is great...And we really aren't hurting anything...Quinn was a part of THIS years draft... We ink these guys and carry on with day 2 for guys to groom in 2 or 3 years...We continue on in 2009 getting guys that can take over when these guys are ready to go... It's NOT the hindrance some think...Cause I'll tell ya' what... Williams---Rogers---Smith---Is a STOUT Front 3 that will have a MAJOR rolling ball effect on what's behind them...LB AND Corner/Safety... Actually...Based solely on TALENT and EXPERIENCE...These 2 pick-ups on the Defensive Line will do MORE than the same 2 pick-ups on the Offensive Line last year...  That dancin' bananer's gettin' alot of action...
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on top of that, teams now understand the cap.... i honestly think with the cash most teams have, signing fa's is the way to go.... first, you know the guy can make the conversion to the nfl, because he already has...so there is no gamble with a big price tag.... second, even if you draft a guy, and he pans out, you are gonna pay him in his second contract....and its gonna be fa money, because thats what he is.... this was all about fixing a problem now, and the only way to do that is fa... as long as they budget a certain amount of cash for an area, and keep to it, they will be fine... this is great, cause we are getting to the point where our lower round draft picks might not make the team in there first year.... when does the season start?
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Wow! I never knew I even quoted the guy. And I sure as hell had no idea what he was talking about when he said something about he could read. LOL
Thanks for the breakdown. Funny stuff.
had a little too much sake and kinda jumped the gun....you just hit the quote button instead of reply....sorry for the misunderstanding
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Wow, what an improvement to the line. Savage has put more then bandaids on the line. Over the last two years 4 solid starters have been added. No big deal about losing the 2nd/3rd rounders this year- no way you find two guys at those spots that are ready to be inserted in the d-line as starters this year. I was really concerned about the NFC east on the schedule this year- if we could not stop the run........... I now like our chances.
What's up with Briggs. I thought for sure he would be signed by now, not necessarily the browns, but it sounded that he was set to be a niner. Who is he visiting??? The browns may have a shot at him.
Now we need a corner as well, i think we learned our lessons a couple years ago when guys were being signed off of the street. Gay of NE maybe?? OR what the heck- the rest of our picks to philli for Shepherd!
I kind of feel sorry for our scouting department guys- they don't get to show off and do their thing until the 4th round!!!!
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Generally speaking... Wow! SWEET! NICE!!! Instant quality D Line, it seems... Yes, I am awake and reading about the Cleveland Browns!   The past two FA seasons have been stellar... Just look at the acqs... Last years draft was special. Yes it affected this upcoming draft but PS and crew will find a LB, CB, S or WR... I'm confident that OLB will come FA. I'm a proven entity guy... And that gets worse as I get older, smarter and better. It's just been fantastic to see the moves to build our team as of yesterday and over the past three years... I look at it this way, remember when you were a kid and you made your list or formalized what you wanted from Santa in a/the year? And you waited and waited, hung in there were mostly good and then waited for more. Then Christmas came and you were so excited. And when you got done opening your presents you some how got everything you asked for or a awfully close? That’s how I'm feeling right now? I know the Browns aren't done and aren't "there" yet, but I'm feeling like the teams & my wants and prayers are being answered after all these years. It’s like someone is listening. It's great to see the plan coming together. Thanks PS, RAC and crew. Let’s add a few more pieces and go get a division championship and a SB!
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For some reason, I'm not as excited as some of the people on here - I guess in part because I love the NFL draft.
Phil made his living in the NFL being a draft guru with Baltimore. His history of drafting Pro Bowlers is well documented. I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe that he would wait until the 4th round for his first pick. Something else must be in the works.
I like the deals so far, and am cautiously optimistic.
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Nemy, this could also show Phil's willingness to "forego" the draft when there are players out there that can help us right now and will help us for years to come.
A good leader has to be able to change and adapt to the environment. This is a weak draft, from what many are saying. For where we're weak, there were some players out there in FA who could come in and help us.
I hate to see Bodden go, but he really hasn't been the same player, IMO, that he was those first few years.
Phil has a plan and he's willing to do what it takes to make it happen, even if it means having very few draft picks.
JMHO
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I hate to see Bodden go, but he really hasn't been the same player, IMO, that he was those first few years.
I do agree with you on Bodden - the more I think about it, the more I realize that Bodden mainly played as a nickel corner last season. Even though I think he has the potential to be a great corner (if he stays healthy) I've been telling myself that we gave up a 3rd rounder and a nickel corner for a Pro Bowl DT. I will take that any day of the week.
I still think Phil jumps back in the first few rounds, JMHO.
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It just occured to me that perhaps the play of McDonald has made Bodden expendable... and don't forget we just tendered Holly as well,.
As much as I hate losing Bodden, it might end up being one of the best moves Savage can or could have made...
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Another good thing about all this is we no longer have to worrry about our guys being signed in rounds 1 through 3 of the draft. The players we have aquired will be here for all the off season OTA.
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Now we need a corner as well, i think we learned our lessons a couple years ago when guys were being signed off of the street. Gay of NE maybe?? OR what the heck- the rest of our picks to philli for Shepherd!
Totally agree. Bodden is gone and we don't have a 2nd or 3rd. While Holly or McDonald might be able to start, we've suddenly become very thin there. I expect us to get somebody. I would love Lito Sheppard, but if he thinks he's getting close to Asante money he's crazy.
He's a really good player though, and he could start next to EW. My best buddy likes Phillie, so we go to the bar to watch each other's games. Sheppard is a very good player, not Asante but one tier below. Definitely would be an upgrade over Bodden, may be even EW. So yeah, great idea bigf00t. great idea.
Otherwise let's get Gay. He'll be cheaper, played with Romeo and is a good player as well.
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Shepard is a possibility, as is Gay. The guy that intrigues me is Florence, from San Diego. I think he fits in well w/what we wanna do on defense. He is a good nickel guy and plays well everywhere but on the sidelines. He is also pretty physical and is a good fit in our zone coverages, which we will run a lot of on obvious passing situations.
I hope we bring him in for a chat and possible signing.
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What I like about it is the apparent "win now" philosophy and knowing our money is going to proven NFL players. We're taking the crap shoot out of it this season for the most part that always accompanies rookie players.
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It just occured to me that perhaps the play of McDonald has made Bodden expendable... and don't forget we just tendered Holly as well,.
As much as I hate losing Bodden, it might end up being one of the best moves Savage can or could have made...
A few people have been saying that for a while.
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It just occured to me that perhaps the play of McDonald has made Bodden expendable... and don't forget we just tendered Holly as well,.
As much as I hate losing Bodden, it might end up being one of the best moves Savage can or could have made...
A few people have been saying that for a while.
As in 4 pages ago... 
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You better believe it. And those grunts helped us win a lot of games last year.
I also love defensive linemen. I'm glad Savage is really trying hard to fix the d-line. I might not agree w/the Rogers move, but the dude is trying hard to fix a weakness and perhaps he has a backup plan for cornerback. All I know for sure is that he recognizes our weakness on the d-line, and he is trying to fix it.
Btw...........isn't anyone else interested in Haggans? The guy can get after the QB and he would help at OLB.
Maybe they have "pittsburgh fear" since every OLB to leave Pittsburgh ends up being a waste (see: Jason Farrior, Joey Porter).
See Mike Vrabel
Difference with Vrabel was that he was relatively young at the time, and he is overrated. When Rosy Colvin went down his production dipped quite a bit. Haggans is like 31. I cannot say that he should be much more than a really good back up. His coverage skills are sub-par and his pass rushing abilities leave something to be desired.
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Browns, Lions agree to terms for Rogers Jeff Walcoff, Staff Writer 03.01.2008 The wheeling and dealing has continued. The Browns continued a busy free agency period Saturday, agreeing to terms to acquire defensive lineman Shaun Rogers from the Detroit Lions in exchange for the Browns' 2008 third-round pick and cornerback Leigh Bodden. Rogers (6-feet-4, 345 pounds), who will enter his eighth NFL season this fall, is a two-time Pro Bowl selection out of Texas. During 2007, he led the Lions with a career-high 7 sacks to go with 66 tackles. In his career, he has totaled 447 tackles and 29.5 sacks in 98 games (96 starts). Bodden has been with the Browns since 2003, when he joined the club as an undrafted free agent out of Duquesne. In five seasons as a Brown, Bodden made 207 tackles and recorded 12 interceptions with 48 pass breakups in 59 games (38 starts). In 2007, he played in and started all 16 games for the first time in his career. The deal means the Browns now will not pick during the '07 draft until the fourth round. link nothing new..Just an added it`s done!!!
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