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Here's me...    I love Bodden, but he was slow last year. I don' know that he really recovered from his injury. Also, with Holly, Wright, and McDonald all playing good fooball last year, I think this is a good move. We had no options at NT. Now we have a potential pro-bowler. I think that this move along with the Corey Williams deal can help our D as much as the Thomas and Steinbach moves made for us last year. I was worried we'd step a few games back in the standings this year with out much tougher schedule, but the trades that have been made make me think we'e the division favorite!
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Seems a pretty steep price to me. Now we need depth at DB and we can't plan to fill it in the draft because we don't pick until the 4th round. And, both our starting CBs are coming out of their rookie years. Granted, they were both pretty decent as rookies, but that CB is not a position where don't want to have at least one decent vet starting.
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A few people have been saying that for a while.
I'm slow,, like I said, it just occured to me 
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With Bodden gone, targeting CB Drayton Florence UFA from San Diego just became priority #1.
With that I don't see us signing Stallworth...he'll want more money than we will want to give.
Briggs....Pace...LaBoy...I don't see it now. CB became the biggest need on our team when we traded away Bodden.
We'll probably bring in Drew Carter...and then take a shot on a LB.
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Corey Williams DE
Shaun Rogers NT/Shaun Smith NT
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What..I leave for a day and we get Rogers? I was just blasting him for being lazy   Screw the draft picks when you're getting THAT kinda READY MADE talent... Don't ever say that about picks when we don't have any left now.. U know I have to have a draft to watch.. Three rounds I'll have to watch all the guys come off that I wanted us to get  On the flip side Savage is a liar..thats right a liar..HE SAID HE WOULDN'T BE AGGRESSIVE this year..he lied.. Dang..Rodgers a rotational guy..not a starter..better talent than Kelly/Ted... Bodden...At some point in time aka Courtney Brown...U gotta make the decision to cut your losses...I have absolutely zero problem with this...A Corner will be looked at here quickly...NO WAY we go into the season LIGHT at Corner as we are now...No biggie...We'll find one...
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Seems a pretty steep price to me. Now we need depth at DB and we can't plan to fill it in the draft because we don't pick until the 4th round. And, both our starting CBs are coming out of their rookie years. Granted, they were both pretty decent as rookies, but that CB is not a position where don't want to have at least one decent vet starting.
I think you need to look at the big picture. The DL was so inferior last year, that the arguement could be used that they made life for the DBs a lot harder.
With the addition of Williams and Rogers, the DL becomes a strength. The two rookies played fairly well last year with a pitiful pass rush. They were forced to cover way too long and that does factor into their success. Now with, hopefully, a strong presence at the line of scrimmage, and what looks like a couple of guys proven to be able to not only eat blocks, but rush the passer and stop the run, our 2nd year corners could benefit greatly.
IMO, as many have said above. Two proven top teir defensive lineman ready to start instantly and impact, are far more valuble to this team at this time, than a 2nd and 3rd round draft pick. Bodden was expendible. He was hurt for the past couple years and was very inconsistent. I think many overvalue him just due to his game against Chad a few years back. This past year, he seemed to be the guy they went after constantly with success.
The FA period is not over, and I think you are missing that point. Time will tell how shallow the defensive backfield will be. But for now, I personally am excited about the fact that another major weakness has been addressed in the offseason.
Great defenses, just like offenses, are built from the trenches out. Savage just laid a great foundation for the defense, the same way he did last year for the O.
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Plus we have these players for the whole off season to work into our system, no waiting around for draft choices to be signed.
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Does Gary Baxter fit into our plans again suddenly?
Just a thought...he'll be 2 years removed from surgery and hasn't had the setbacks Bentley had.
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Can't remember where i heard or read it, but they would like Baxter to compete with Pool for that position.
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Florence is ok, not spectacular.
I nicknamed him toast when he first came into the league, but he has improved.
San Diego, with with the emergence of Cromartie, does not have a need for a third starting CB.
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I agree w/everything you said. And I hope you read my post close enough to know I am not saying he is a great corner, but he would be a great nickel guy. In fact, didn't he do very well in the nickel this year? Or am I mistaken?
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Baxter? hmmm, I was just thinking about him. Maybe he is ready to play.
He did practice some last year, and has had quite a bit of time to heal even more.
Who knows, maybe he is in the mix, and nobody knows.
If he is in camp, the possibility of him playing next year is pretty good.
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I was thinkin though. I think we did kinda get burned on that.
Cincinatti was going to give up a 3rd and 5th for Rogers, and we gave up Bodden and a 3rd. That seems like a lot more.
I understand what youre saying in the big picture, and that makes sense, just in comparison to what the cincy deal was gonna be, it seems like we gave up a lot more.
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Well Detroit probably wouldn't have accepted our 3rd and 5th, because obviously each of those picks is later than the Bungle pick. Even our 3rd and 4th might not have been enough, with the difference in our 3rd round spots being 13 (I could be wrong here) and the difference between the Bengals 5th and our 4th being 19 (plus supplemental picks). Either that or Phil wasn't willing to give up our 3rd and 4th.
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I was thinkin though. I think we did kinda get burned on that.
Cincinatti was going to give up a 3rd and 5th for Rogers, and we gave up Bodden and a 3rd. That seems like a lot more.
I understand what youre saying in the big picture, and that makes sense, just in comparison to what the cincy deal was gonna be, it seems like we gave up a lot more.
Did you ever think the reason why the deal fell thru was because savage offerend more then a 3 and a 5? that's probably the only reason Rogers isn't wearing stripes.
Addition by subtraction. Keeping him out of the the nasti natti plus an upgrade at the NT position was huge...
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I was thinkin though. I think we did kinda get burned on that.
Cincinatti was going to give up a 3rd and 5th for Rogers, and we gave up Bodden and a 3rd. That seems like a lot more.
I understand what youre saying in the big picture, and that makes sense, just in comparison to what the cincy deal was gonna be, it seems like we gave up a lot more.
Did you ever think the reason why the deal fell thru was because savage offerend more then a 3 and a 5? that's probably the only reason Rogers isn't wearing stripes.
Addition by subtraction. Keeping him out of the the nasti natti plus an upgrade at the NT position was huge...
Actually the league office didn't allow the trade because the Bengals were out of space on last year's cap or something to that effect.
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If ammo's right, then we offered more than we needed to.
i suppose. That they prolly wouldnt go lower than a 3rd, and something else, and Bodden one ups their 5th, so ill give you that.
but if ammo is right, then i think we gave up more than we needed to
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but if ammo is right, then i think we gave up more than we needed to
Maybe, maybe not. They may have not done the deal if Bodden wasn't included. That's kind of what I gather from the whole thing.
Plus, if you listen to Phil's presser from today, he insinuated (at least this is my interpretation on what he said) that maybe Bodden's days as a starter here were numbered.
Point being, I'm not quite sure the value of Bodden in the organization's eyes might be as high as us fans think.
If the Browns had any knowledge at all of what Cinci had on the table, they could have looked at it like this: 3rd and 5th = 3rd and Bodden.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I'm going to miss Bodden a little. He play tapered off in what some speculated was injury. A UDFA gem of the Butch Davis regime who gave us some solid moments - the "X" on Chad Johnson, a few game ending snags. I'll remember the games he quietly stuck to his man like glue, in his best moments even taking away the easier underneath stuff.
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I'm going to miss him too. I was a big fan.
For as poorly as he played last year, I think we took a step back in the secondary for sure.
Wonder what the plan is to replace him?
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Rish i see that. but I think in saying that, we underestimated what others could be thinking of him.
Now maybe everyone else looked at him as a 5th rounder. And maybe thats true, but i looked at him as someone to garner a 3rd or 4th rounder, not a 5th. a 5th seems like we'd be underrating him
I dont doubt his value here was low because of guys like Holly, BMac and EWright, but, it could be alot higher elsewhere
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That's my hope. Otherwise Randall Gay. But Lito is a warrior out there. He's an aggressive CB that loves man-to-man coverage. He's fast and has closing speed. Watched the guy on the Eagles and he's definitely starting corner quality on most any team. Plus he prob won't call for that 10 million a year thing. He could start with Eric Wright and we could have Holly and McDonald backing them up.
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Now maybe everyone else looked at him as a 5th rounder. And maybe thats true, but i looked at him as someone to garner a 3rd or 4th rounder, not a 5th. a 5th seems like we'd be underrating him
I don't think I've ever seen someone underrate a player's draft value on this board.
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Just wanna throw my .02 in for the record. I was so excited all day long knowing that our DL is just about the most rock solid thing to happen during this oh so short offseason.
I have been bouncing around all day. I can't wait to see what else Phil has up his sleeves. I have been hearing all kinds of wonderful rumors and some truths about this FA and damn, I'm loving it!
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IMO....I hope we grab someone ..anyone at OLB
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I like it, I love it, I want some more of it.
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If you guys want to hear what Cincy thinks of this, go to 700WLW. Pretty funny stuff.
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I also just let them know about Stallworth. 
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I thought those guys were gonna commit suicide yesterday over Rogers...lmao...
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They still are. You should hear the names the callers are using for the Bengals.
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but that could change momentarily
good God, this might actually work...
robaire, rogers, and williams, with big bad shaun smith as your rotator guy... oh man...
the secondary worries me, but i think all of their jobs just got a hell of a lot easier, the quarterback won't have 2 minutes to throw the ball now, not with those 3 hogs, and our young linebackers coming after them...
and with our offense, and our growing running game, i think we can make a run NEXT YEAR...
a lot of people are going to not like this, because we have no picks on the first day, and, most of the elite players will be gone by round 4 (you can still find very solid OL in rounds 4 & 5 which we still need, there always seems to be a solid WR in the later rounds) but i think this is something that needed to be done... this team needs quality over quantity...
now as far as money goes, i think we'll be ok, because while we may be paying some of these new guys good money, stallworth, williams, rogers, etc... don't forget we're also not going to have to pay a first round pick (as of right now) or a 2nd or 3rd either...
but after seeing what's happened, i think the possibility of DA getting traded does exist... because his contract is very modest for a guy who finished 2nd in touchdowns... and if the browns can get a first round pick, or a player in his prime (my guess would be a linebacker) phil will push that button...
i still like the idea of having anderson and quinn, but if phil is going to make a run, he's gotta get that defense as good as possible, because our offense can get it done, no doubt...
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but after seeing what's happened, i think the possibility of DA getting traded does exist... because his contract is very modest for a guy who finished 2nd in touchdowns... and if the browns can get a first round pick, or a player in his prime (my guess would be a linebacker) phil will push that button...
Savage has been pretty explicit that DA is off the market.
I guess it depends on how much you trust his words, but I've heard a lot more truth than smoke from him.
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but after seeing what's happened, i think the possibility of DA getting traded does exist... because his contract is very modest for a guy who finished 2nd in touchdowns... and if the browns can get a first round pick, or a player in his prime (my guess would be a linebacker) phil will push that button...
Savage has been pretty explicit that DA is off the market.
I guess it depends on how much you trust his words, but I've heard a lot more truth than smoke from him.
he may be saying that to use it as smoke...
i just think the possibility does exist that he gets dealt...
but probably, more than likely, he'll stay, quarterback depth at this level is so rare...
if we could bring in an elite player, i'd deal anderson, but a draft pick really doesn't do a ton for me, unless it's an early pick where you can get a highly coveted player
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This is certainly Savage's baby now, isn't it?
Players brough in by the previous regime in bold:
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Vickers
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All I am gonna say is that the rest of the AFC North is imploding over our moves. Bengals fans are saying the reason they didn't get Rogers is because someone in the FO wrote a bad check. Ya'll really should check out what the other message boards are saying about what Phil has done in the last 48 hours. 
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All I am gonna say is that the rest of the AFC North is imploding over our moves. Bengals fans are saying the reason they didn't get Rogers is because someone in the FO wrote a bad check. Ya'll really should check out what the other message boards are saying about what Phil has done in the last 48 hours.
I love it!
We may not have won the division yet, but since Savage has taken over the offseason belongs to the Browns.
And I don't see us doing stoopid things like the Redskins.
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Oh, my. Didn't mean to offend the Pontbriand crowd.
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