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With us shipping in Shaun Rogers from up north and shipping out injury plagued Leigh Bodden, who's going to fill in at the number two corner spot? Does everyone really think our secondary is going to be good enough with two second year corners in Wright and McDonald? Do you really want to rely on two stout defensive ends and Wimbley to apply all the pressure to help out those youngsters? I miss Brian Russel still.
D'Qwell Jackson is going to love these signings though. Oh baby that boy is gonna be flying all over the place.
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Well I think we are counting on keepingHolly around a few more years and hoping Baxter can come back to play safety and lining Pool up as the dime back. (with pool as the starter at SS shifting when personnell calls for it.)
Also, wasn't Mickey D drafted in the fifth last year? I think we'll go CB, LB, DL, S this year in the draft.
Plus i think we've got that 6th rounder from Frye...
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Pools a FS, but I get what your saying. I forgot about Baxter. Ihope he's feeling well. Also, late round corners dont seem that great to me. Remember Perkins? I though he was going to be a great nickel back. He's not even in the nfl anymore.We still have a few holes in the secondary along with one at ILB and OLB. Defense wins championships and our defense doesnt look like a championship defense right now.
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We do have that 6th from Seattle for Frye, but we sent our own 6th to Philly for Fraley. So it evens out.
We currently have a 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th. Going to be a busy second day for us, since its 5 minutes between picks, we won't have the 8 hour waits. 
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McDonald looks promising. Holly has produced for a 7th rounder. Bodden was never drafted.
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My bad... brain fart. Of course Sean Jones is our starting SS with Pool at FS. I was saying I think that I think Pool can shift over to dime when we needed more secondary personnel.
I never liked the Perkins pick, but I am shocked at how well McDonald played last year. I think Savage looked at the DBs at the combine and thought there may be a player in the back half of the draft and I fullt expect us to draft a corner in the 4th or 5th this year.
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I like Wright and McD. But if we don't bring in a FA then I expect a pick or two to be a CB... late round CBs are fine with me... just need to pick up a big guy who can run.
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not even close
What I meant was... that CBs are easier to come by IMO than say good DL...
of course, I wouldn't mind trading for someone like D. Hall either 
But no matter what we do... I'm much happier having a solid DL and average Secondary... but I really like both Wright and McD.
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We do have that 6th from Seattle for Frye, but we sent our own 6th to Philly for Fraley. So it evens out.
We currently have a 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th. Going to be a busy second day for us, since its 5 minutes between picks, we won't have the 8 hour waits.
actually, i believe we send our 5th to philly but have 2 6ths.....only article i've found say for an undisclosed, but ill keep searching.
ah, i was wrong again. it was a conditional 6th...
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=5661
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We do have that 6th from Seattle for Frye, but we sent our own 6th to Philly for Fraley. So it evens out.
We currently have a 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th. Going to be a busy second day for us, since its 5 minutes between picks, we won't have the 8 hour waits.
actually, i believe we send our 5th to philly but have 2 6ths.....only article i've found say for an undisclosed, but ill keep searching.
In Phil's presser the other day he stated that 'we have a pick in each round, 2-7', that the 'pick for Fraley is actually a 6th, not a 5th'.
Of course the 2nd and 3rd picks are no longer accurate. 
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I'd be near willing to bet that Phil finds a way to trade something or a someone expendable and next years 1st/2nd to manage to get into round one for this year, or something close on the first day. He's been real aggressive in that sense, and I can see him finding a way to add another impact guy in the draft....
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that puts us in the same boat we were this year. we can't keep exchanging this years first for the next. id like to see phil eat the draft this year and add the young guys next year....
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Corner is one of those positions where experience isn't that much of an advantage. Either you can cover or you can't.
I don't think we will suffer at all with Wright and McDonald playing the edge. Actually, I think we got better.
Holly is decent in the nickle role....then we have Kenny Wright, Mike Adams and a few others....be it they are a step down.
A big question is Baxter. The guy is still on the roster. If he can come back with anything, he is a addition...I am thinking he might do ok at safety. We did play Pool at corner for a bit which might not be out of the question.
At safety, a guy to watch is Nick Sorenson. He was a late pick-up last year. Now that he has been in place a while, he might have enough to bump Pool.
In the end I think the two pups on the outside won't be a liability.
Maybe draft a guy if we have a chance or possibly sign a second tier FA.
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What I meant was... that CBs are easier to come by IMO than say good DL...
of course, I wouldn't mind trading for someone like D. Hall either
DeAngelo is not as good as his probowls suggest. He's got wheels but outside that compared to most other corners that dont get his recognition he's trash. Nnamdi Asomugha for example.
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With our improved defensive line.. our corners will be just fine..
We've been saying it for years now... with an improved front 7, our corners will look a lot lot better..
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Just my opinon here on the secondary:
Phil will bering in a veteran or two from the FA list or one who was released for whatever reason, I've noticed Ty laws name not in the news much and with him connections to RAC he might be inticed to come in for a year or two to add some depth, but for us signing a big name for the secondary wont happen, there gone and were not gonna trade for one.
LB with the addition of the new D-line I think Phil might let A.Daivs stick around for another year, finding a replacement for him might be to costly for what we have left and with the D-line improvements he might be freed up to finally play up to his potental, it's hard to play LB in a 3-4 with O-linemena in your knees, that shouldnt happen anymore.
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We will probably be making a move at corner. Going w/two second year guys as the starters is a bit too much. Unlike Peen, I think experience is very important at corner.
We'll probably be making a move for a guy like Sheppard.
I also think we should upgrade the FS position. Pool is perhaps the worst FS I have ever seen. However, I don't think we make a move at that position this year, and it will haunt this defense.
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I'm sure we'll get a rookie in the draft, or maybe if not in the draft, pick up a UDFA...
Personally, I would go the UDFA route if the scouts don't get the guy they want on Day 2.
Running our 3-4, how many corners do we need?
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Sheppard wouldn't be a bad move at all.
On the topic of Pool.....do you think we have anybody on the roster who could push him??
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Pool is fine to me.. His athleticism is crazy. He's just one of those players where it may not look like he has his heart in the game, but probably b/c he enjoys playing the game, and is out there having fun.
But when you have another safety out there in Sean Jones, who shows his emotion on the field when things go bad, it does make you question Pool's mindset, and his preparation for the game.
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Peen: I liked Justin Hamilton, but we cut him. Can't figure that one out. But no, I don't see anyone on the roster who looks to be a starter.
Turk: I don't know how many corners we need, but I do think we need a veteran starter in the mix.
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Turk: I don't know how many corners we need, but I do think we need a veteran starter in the mix.
So you wanna bring back Kenny Wright? Uhhh.. no.. 
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I wonder about Sorenson...I know on ST he is all over the place. I am just wondering how he will do heading in to camp...as a late pick-up it is hard to do anything. Entering camp with a team makes a big difference.
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I forgot about him. But, I don't know much about him.
Did Madieu Williams sign w/anyone yet? This guy is a very underrated FS. He doesn't get much positive press because he plays for the Bengals, but he is a good player.
But, once again..........I get the feeling that Savage is going to give Pool one more year. Too big of an investment.
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Williams signed with Minny...
FOXSports.com has learned Cleveland has re-signed safety Nick Sorensen to a three-year, $2.5 million contract. A special teams ace, Sorensen played half the 2007 season with the Browns following his release by Jacksonville.
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I'm glad to have sorenson.. reminds me a lot of Russell, and he has potential to be better.
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Did Madieu Williams sign w/anyone yet? This guy is a very underrated FS. He doesn't get much positive press because he plays for the Bengals, but he is a good player.
I was thinking just the opposite. He got some love early on, and I just couldn't figure out why. I thought this guy was way overrated, and I am thrilled we did not go after him. At the very most, he is no better than what we have now...would not have been a good move, IMO.
But that is also just from the limited times I had seen him play. I cannot say I studied him all that much, but I did pay attention when we played them or when I happened to catch a Bengals game. I wanted to see what all of the hype was about. Didn't really see anything there. JMO.
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Corner is one of those positions where experience isn't that much of an advantage. Either you can cover or you can't.
I guess that's why offenses always attack the rookie corner?
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I tried to find out where Hamilton is now.. I must be missing it but it doesn't look as if he's on any team at the moment!
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A big question is Baxter. The guy is still on the roster. If he can come back with anything, he is a addition...I am thinking he might do ok at safety.
NFL.com lists Gary Baxter as a UFA.
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Pool is not the worst Fs you ever seen, thers no way. Remember Earl Little? Pool started out the season pretty poor but he improved every game. He seemed overwhelmed at first but he really started to pick it up at the end of the year. Thats only one of the several reasons why Tucker is now our DC. Pool is just going to play better now with the front seven. I dont know why everyone hates on him, it was his first year starting and he was extremely raw coming out of Oklahoma. He progressed all year and if it carries over into next year he'll be fine.
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Vers has a lot of football knowledge. You can tell he doesn't just watch games, he studies them and will focus on a particular player. His assessment of a particular player should be taken in that context - that he may just have a point there.
However, I'm with you on this as in I'd like to see what happens this year with Pool. If I understand Vers' take correctly, he just doesn't believe that Pool has the instincts and that won't improve no matter how much time you give a player.
For me, I don't believe that to be the case. I think the proverbial 'lightbulb' could come on for Pool, and we will be fine.
One of us will be wrong, and one of us will be right. Doesn't matter, tho, because if Savage sees it as a weakness after this year, he'll address it.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Not if he is good. That is why we saw Bodden getting punked as often as we did. Teams learned he was the weak link over Wright and or McDonald.
Teams pick on the weakest link. It doesn't matter how long they have been around.
I will agree they will test a rookie.
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A big question is Baxter. The guy is still on the roster. If he can come back with anything, he is a addition...I am thinking he might do ok at safety.
NFL.com lists Gary Baxter as a UFA.
Thanks for the update. All I did was check the Browns roster before making the post.....I didn't check any contract status.
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NFL.com lists Gary Baxter as a UFA.
Thanks for the update. All I did was check the Browns roster before making the post.....I didn't check any contract status.
I knew that we redid his contract... I didn't know we let him go.
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OK ... here's a name for ya .......
Chris Crocker.
Maybe not as a starter ..... but definitely a guy who would upgrade the backup Safety position ... and who was decent playing the deep zones, and seemed to be a player who was always in the right spot.
He's a free agent, and the Falcons signed Erik Coleman away from the Jets to take his spot.
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