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I heard a prominent Cleveland sports personality put the whole debate into focus."The Browns made Derek Anderson, Derek Anderson didn't make the Browns"
I think we can all just agree that we want DA to play well next year so the Browns can go places in January! 
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j/c: Man! Some unreal posts. Here is what I think: ---DA did improve his decision making as the season went on. Hard for me to believe that anyone w/a lick of football knowledge didn't see that. ---DA still has some holes in his game. He doesn't throw well when he gets pressured right up the middle. Just like Brady, Manning, and other pocket passers. ---DA's ability to throw the long ball helped our running game. Let me ask you guys this..........When teams took away our deep passing game, what happened to our rushing numbers? Was that a coincidence? LMAO ---DA needs to work on his decision making. Yes, it unquestionably improved throughout the season, but he has a ways to go. ---DA is so calm under adverse conditions. He made big throw after big throw to keep countless drives alive. I have never seen a Brown's QB make so many big 3rd down throws as he did. There were times when it was unreal. Anyone but me remember the Rams and Seahawks games? Let me give an example. We run for a short gain. BE is in motion on the next play, negating a nice throw to JJ. O-line jumps offside. We complete a pass. We jump offsides again. Then another motion penalty on Edwards. It's 3rd and 20. DA throws a 22 yd. strike to JJ in between three defenders. One of the most accurate---and best---throws I have EVER witnessed. Guys, situations like those were commonplace. Who gives a rat's ass about completion percentage when a guy can make the big throw? Like Mort said.............this isn't a dinky-dunk West Coast offense. It's based on the big play.......stretching the D........and allowing running lanes to open up as a result. How in the hell can you not see that?????????  ---DA needs to improve his footwork when the pocket breaks down. That is what led to his inaccurate throws. Believe me, he is very accurate most times. ---The touch thing is a joke. He has very good touch, especially for a guy w/such a big arm. And you can all rant and rave all you want. He throws touch passes all the time. I just wish I could sit down w/some of you and watch film. You'd be changing your tune real quick, because there are a million examples. ---DA has more upside than BQ does. That is not a knock on BQ, it is just that he was more of a finished product than DA when coming out of college. Savage recognizes DA's upside, and he has tried telling it to you knuckleheads numerous times. ---DA needs to avoid the terrible games. ---DA was signed by Savage because the Browns believe in him.......even if you don't. The contract is not so long that it eliminates BQ, but it is long enough for the team to give DA the shot he earned. ---If you really want the Browns to win.......stop the nonsense and quit trying to manufacture a QB controversy. Believe me..........if it is close, BQ will get the nod. ---DA's signing tells me that the team does not believe that BQ is the better QB right now. And I think they know better than you do, especially since they see both every freaking day.
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I heard a prominent Cleveland sports personality put the whole debate into focus."The Browns made Derek Anderson, Derek Anderson didn't make the Browns"
I think we can all just agree that we want DA to play well next year so the Browns can go places in January!
If that's the case then why couldn't the Browns make Charlie Frye?
DA's flaws are PHYSICAL, not MENTAL.
He made better decisions as time wore on, MUCH BETTER decisions. His problem? He couldn't complete the short throws. He lacked touch and accuracy and ability to throw on the run. Which in turn caused him to force the ball downfield cuz of circumstance.
Add in JJ and Winslow wearing out down the stretch and you have where we were...
If DA can correct his physical limitations, watch out.
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---The touch thing is a joke. He has very good touch, especially for a guy w/such a big arm. And you can all rant and rave all you want. He throws touch passes all the time. I just wish I could sit down w/some of you and watch film. You'd be changing your tune real quick, because there are a million examples.
While we often agree on things but I think this is about as far apart as two people can be on a topic.
DA has terrible touch. I mean awful.
I'm going to chalk it up to you over defending DA against the legions of BQ fans but it's not true.
DA throws the ball with one speed. 70mph. Tell me one throw all year that he floated in appropriately. For all the ribbing that Favre gets for having a gun, breaking WR fingers, he is one of the best touch passers in the league.
Name one throw....a wheel route or a RB/FB checkdown where he tossed it in delicately to a player in stride. You can't. It doesn't exist.
Throughout the year I tore my hair out watch DA rocket a 15 yard pass to Vickers only to see a first down left on the field.
If he improves one thing it would be throwing a catchable ball to RBs coming out of the backfield. Please DA I implore you!!!
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---The touch thing is a joke. He has very good touch, especially for a guy w/such a big arm. And you can all rant and rave all you want. He throws touch passes all the time. I just wish I could sit down w/some of you and watch film. You'd be changing your tune real quick, because there are a million examples.
While we often agree on things but I think this is about as far apart as two people can be on a topic.
DA has terrible touch. I mean awful.
I'm going to chalk it up to you over defending DA against the legions of BQ fans but it's not true.
DA throws the ball with one speed. 70mph. Tell me one throw all year that he floated in appropriately. For all the ribbing that Favre gets for having a gun, breaking WR fingers, he is one of the best touch passers in the league.
Name one throw....a wheel route or a RB/FB checkdown where he tossed it in delicately to a player in stride. You can't. It doesn't exist.
Throughout the year I tore my hair out watch DA rocket a 15 yard pass to Vickers only to see a first down left on the field.
If he improves one thing it would be throwing a catchable ball to RBs coming out of the backfield. Please DA I implore you!!!
I second that.
DA has many good qualities, but touch and throwing on the run aren't two of them.
And I fear that's what ultimately will hinder him. I've sounded like Jeckyl and Hyde lately on this.
I still think Quinn will be the better QB, but Anderson has all the opportunity in the world to be one of the best. I'm not so sure he can overcome his physical issues though.
It's more physical than mental, despite what anyone says. He made better decisions down the stretch, he just couldn't connect.
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Going into last year the schedule looked tough...
SF was 8-8 and looked to be emerging.
The Rams were pretty good as well.
The Jets were a playoff team the year before.
Every year everyone complains about how tough the schedule is. Just remember that those teams can no longer mark the date against the Browns as a probable W. And the Browns wins directly affects the other teams recond.
Truth is we play the same teams except 2 (AFC non-divisional match up same placement. I believe that this means Buffalo and Denver.
So the NFC is the East and not the west., well they have to play the AFC North this year, which will probably mean that their records will suffer as well.
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I understand all that and next yr could be differeant. All i was stating was this yr we were 1-3 against teams with winning records. Now next yr we have....
Network Kickoff Results
TBD vs BALTIMORE RAVENS TBD who knows
TBD vs CINCINNATI BENGALS TBD who knows
TBD vs PITTSBURGH STEELERS TBD winning record
TBD vs HOUSTON TEXANS TBD who knows
TBD vs INDIANAPOLIS COLTS TBD winning record
TBD vs DALLAS COWBOYS TBD winning record
TBD vs NEW YORK GIANTS TBD winning record
TBD vs DENVER BRONCOS TBD who knows
TBD @ Baltimore Ravens TBD who knows
TBD @ Cincinnati Bengals TBD who knows
TBD @ Pittsburgh Steelers TBD winning record
TBD @ Jacksonville Jaguars TBD winning record
TBD @ Tennessee Titans TBD maybe winning record
TBD @ Philadelphia Eagles TBD maybe
TBD @ Washington Redskins TBD maybe
TBD @ Buffalo Bills maybe
so next yr i feel our schedule will be tougher.. even the teams listed as maybe could be tough. We still have a ways to go. fortunately we play the games to find out who the winner will be.
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DA threw just about every screen pass all year with beautiful touch. He lobbed those up beautifully.
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Vers, I'm a guy who has supported DA more than many have. But I don't agree that he's got touch - it's an obvious weakness of his. Too many short/intermediate throws were too low, or too high, or behind the receiver...
He won games for us - which is the bottom line, as I said all year - and made some ridiculous long throws, has an unbelievable quick release and has pretty good moxy for a QB. Oh and let's not forget 7-0 at home.
But so far, DA can't paint the corners with the off-speed stuff, to use a baseball pitching analogy.
I just think he's a wacky quarterback: does some great things, but does some God-awful things you literally would not see from a CFL quarterback.
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NRTU Lampy.
Since yet another thread has worked it's way towards what Anderson can and can't do as a passer from a purely physical standpoint, I thought I might post this little tidbit:
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Breaking down Anderson's contract
A source provided The Dispatch with additional information on Derek Anderson’s three-year, $24 million contract today.
Here are the details:
+The deal includes a $7 million signing bonus.
+Anderson has a roster bonus of $5 million due before the 2009 season.
+Another roster bonus of $2 million is due before the 2010 season.
+Also included are Pro Bowl and performance incentives that total $1 million.
What stands out most is the huge roster bonus of $5 million due before the 2009 season. This confirms everyone’s suspicion that Cleveland’s two-quarterback system is a one-year experiment.
The Browns will not pay Anderson a $5 million roster bonus next year unless they are convinced he is their long-term solution at quarterback. If not, the Browns likely will make a trade and turn to Brady Quinn.
Of course, all of this hinges on Anderson's performance in 2008.
jwalker@dispatch.com
This confirms what I'd said several days ago, which was that Anderson would never see the last year of this contract as the Browns starter. I couldn't draw complete conclusions about the deal because I had no clue how his "guaranteed money" and bonuses were structured, suffice it to say it was anything but a three-year deal from a practical standpoint.
Now we have the answers, if not the dollars down to the last penny.
Anderson gets a hefty raise as a reward for a good year, as well as the knowledge that he doesn't have to win the job. He can only lose it.
Anderson knows that in what's likely to be a worst-case scenario, he's also going to get another $5 million in bonus money plus a salary from someone in 2009, unless he completely falls on his face, is released, and clears waivers.
The organization gets another year to determine if Anderson is going to be the guy for the long-haul. If he is, they pay him the bonus in '09 as well as his salary, then build a new deal for the next six or seven years in contract length (if not practical length). They can then trade Quinn for what's likely to be a 1st round pick, though that can obviously changed based on what happens during the year. However, if Anderson fails, he's released or traded, at which time Quinn will be entering his third year, and will be in the best position possible to succeed.
Without the exact numbers to fall back on, I couldn't adquately explain to those folks that questioned why Savage would sweeten the deal. Hopefully, now they will understand, and appreciate why Savage went this direction.
For those that want Anderson to be the guy, rejoice, as he'll get the best opportunity possible to showcase his game. For those that want Quinn, rest assured that Anderson is essentially getting one more year to improve, or he's probably out. With the weapons available and behind this line, he has zero excuses entering his 4th year in the league, and 2nd as the full-time starter.
Everyone wins (except the AFC North).
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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unrelated to the thread...im gonna sound like a n00b...ha, whats
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Just a lazy way of saying:
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***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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+The deal includes a $7 million signing bonus. +Anderson has a roster bonus of $5 million due before the 2009 season. +Another roster bonus of $2 million is due before the 2010 season. And there we have it...The Bases aren't out yet but I bet 2009's is real big...He'd be over a 10M Hit in 09...Hey...That's LESS than the Franchise Tag we'd use if he became a FA...lol... Now we know 2 things... 1) ANDERSON IS GOING NOWHERE PEOPLE...(Accelerated 7M Hit WILL NOT HAPPEN) (Who's gonna be 1st to say it ain't due till April?...BS...U think his agent's gonna let him wait 2 months to see penny one???...And risk getting NOTHING...lmao) 2) If we DON'T like what we see this year he will be GONE BEFORE that 5M RB is due next spring) Shut the door on the trade talk...  
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Vers... oh, and we were getting a long so well lately.  Yeah, the touch thing is a weakness of DA's, not a strength. I would love to sit down and watch film with you. I'm sure, you being the old OC and me being the less-old DC, would have many interesting debates. I'm sure we would see a few times where DA put a nice amount of touch on the ball. I remember a few tip-toed catches in the end zone where he put the ball exactly where it had to be. And I was at the Seattle game where he lobbed that beautiful screen to JLew for a huge gain to set up the overtime win. But for every one of those, there was a dart into the dirt on 3rd down. So I guess the inconsistencies of his game are really the focal point of my gripes against DA. Yes, decision-making improved and accuracy CAN with practice. BrownfanZ is right on that point and I'm so glad he listened to DDubia about the bold font thing. But it will interesting to see what DA can do this season after having this whole off-season to work and train and know that he basically has ONE shot left. '08 is his year. Make it or break it?
Toad... good job. Way to bring the info reagrding DA's contract. That begs a very difficult question to answer... (And I'm gonna do what you've chided me on many a time in the past 2 weeks - put the cart before the horse) but at what point do we yank DA if he's just not getting it done? It's becoming more and more clear that he will have every opportunity to start. But say he goes 2-4 in the first 6 games, or say we have a losing record at the BYE, is the experiment officially over at that point? Or sooner? Or do we ride it out to see if he can improve in the second half of the season? The reason I ask is because I firmly believe that we cannot afford to wait very long if he begins to falter. Savage and co. are banking a lot on this upcoming season. If we don't finish better than 10-6, it will be a huge disappointment and the natives will be calling for heads, especially in light of our recent spending spree. So everything rides on DA this year. We can talk about Rogers and Stallworth until we're blue in the face, but I think our biggest risk is at the QB position to be perfectly honest. And that goes for BOTH Anderson AND Quinn. Don't get me wrong people, I really want DA to succeed, but knowing what could be at stake if he doesn't, I think it's a huge gamble to let 2008 be someone's last-chance audition. But then again, what choice do we have?
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Ummm... he wasn't a probowl QB until after the season when Brady decided he didn't want to go... just FYI
True to an extent (I think at the midway point the nation was still shocked at his progress and he had a better chance to get in the Ben). I'm willing to change 5) to "Anderson had a chance to finish the season as the best QB in Brown and Orange since the late 80s".
...considering our qb play since 99' - Who can make any complaints about Anderson?
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Been staying away cause there ain't much new to say ... but I'll chime in here ... cause like U I seen some "remarkable" posts lately .... BTW it weems like things are starting to fill up on your bandwagon ...  Before I start ... 4 or 5 days ago I saw U didn't want to post something out of respect for one poster ... I believe U meant me and I appreciatte the thought .. Thanks .. but please don't ever do it again ... your one of the very few that truely knows the game so don't deprive me or anyone else of your thoughts cause you don't want to "disrespect" me ... thats not good for any of us .. cause U make anyone that truely wants to learn think and that is what this should be all about ... at least it is for me .. so like I said .. Thanks just please don't do it again ... Quote:
DA did improve his decision making as the season went on. Hard for me to believe that anyone w/a lick of football knowledge didn't see that.
I agree .... anyone that didn't see this just didnt want to cause it fits there agenda .. but I saw your fav poster Ammo wasy it IMPROVED IMENSELY ... well thats just as whacked out as guys that didn't see any improvement at all ..
Did he improve??ABSOLUTELY ... did he get anywhere near good at it??? NOT EVEN CLOSE ... he still has a LONG LONG LONG WAY TO GO just to get to average ...
the one thing he did was he checked down to the backs a HELL OF ALOT MORE over the last 1/2 of the season .. so he did improve ... but he's still brutal at it ....
One of the things we disagree on is that he will ever be a good enough decision maker ... and I'm not so sure we even disagree ... I guess we disagree on how much HOPE we have he can turn it around in that area .. U have some and i have VERY VERY LITTLE ....
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DA still has some holes in his game. He doesn't throw well when he gets pressured right up the middle. Just like Brady, Manning, and other pocket passers.
The above is true .. all passers struggle with trouble up the middle .. PERIOD ... the fact U cant step forward and throw with proper weight distrubition DICATATES thats the case ... the buety about this "hole" (and it is a hole) is that DA is actually better at it than most ... why?? casue of his ARM STRENGTH ... he made a couple throws flat footed that were just amazing ... AMAZING ...
this is not one of the "holes" that worries me in the least ....
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DA's ability to throw the long ball helped our running game. Let me ask you guys this..........When teams took away our deep passing game, what happened to our rushing numbers? Was that a coincidence?
DA's ability to throw the ball deep deep definetly helped our running game .. NO DOUBT about it ... there are many QB's in the league that posses the same ability .... this is a given with DA .. as his arm strength is his one true strength ...
it is what it is .. and this is something that is definetly true with no qualifiers ... he definetly helped keep the LBer's from "pinching" as much as they would ahve liked on some plays and he definetly kept the safety out of the box ... anyone that won't admit that is just way to focused on their agenda ..
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DA needs to work on his decision making. Yes, it unquestionably improved throughout the season, but he has a ways to go.
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He made big throw after big throw to keep countless drives alive.
yes he did ... the problem is he made bad decisions and bad throws to end countless drives ... U have to take the bad with the good bro .. and his good was GREAT ... but his bad was HORRIBLE ... and thier in lies the conundrume ...
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Let me give an example. We run for a short gain. BE is in motion on the next play, negating a nice throw to JJ. O-line jumps offside. We complete a pass. We jump offsides again. Then another motion penalty on Edwards. It's 3rd and 20. DA throws a 22 yd. strike to JJ in between three defenders. One of the most accurate---and best---throws I have EVER witnessed. Guys, situations like those were commonplace. Who gives a rat's ass about completion percentage when a guy can make the big throw?
he made 5 or 6 throws that made u just go WOW .... in a good way ... he made alot more throws that just made U go WOW ... in a bad way ... its kind of funny .. I went to see the Boss last night with a bunch of couples and one of them was one of the guys who;s football opinion I really trust and he loves DA .. I told him exactly what i just told u about the Wow's .. *L* ..
Bro .. he can make some REMARKABLE PLAYS ... problem is there on both sides of the fence .. and IF u can eliminate the BAD DECISIONS he makes .. your going to also ELIMINATE MANY OF THE GREAT PLAYS HE MAKES .... and there in lies the problem ...
U want me to give an example ... I could give alot more than U ... but I'llonly give one ... 
The Bungle game ... its 2nd and goal from the 3 ... he does a HORRIBLE play action to Jamal .. takes his drop and throws the ball to the back of the End Zone to KW who has 3 Bungles around him .. the ball bounces off the helmet of one and into the waiting arms of another ... instead of throwing it out of the end zone or looking for another reciever as he was under NO PRESSURE ... we get no 3rd down play and not even a shot at a FG ...
the BAD plays OUTNUMBERED the GREAT plays .. but make no mistake about it .. there were SOME REALLY GREAT PLAYS ...
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and this is prolly are only real true disagreement when it comes to DA ...
he was innacuratte when the pocket broke down .. that much is true ..... when he has to move those led feet were done .. its all over ... BUT he was also VERY INNACURATE when he could just stand there ... he did it all year and his innacuraccy was not based on the fact the pocket colapsed ... thats WRONG .. he is a VERY INNACURRATE QB ...
again he can make some throws that make u go WOW .. what a fricking throw ... and he is prolly more accurate than some on here give him credit for .. but he is not as accurate as I believe u want to make him out to be ...
he's INCONSISTENTLY accurate when the pocket holds up and CONSISTENTLY innacurate when the pocket breaks down ... and thats not a good thing ...
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The touch thing is a joke. He has very good touch, especially for a guy w/such a big arm. And you can all rant and rave all you want. He throws touch passes all the time. I just wish I could sit down w/some of you and watch film. You'd be changing your tune real quick, because there are a million examples.
OK , I was wrong . there's two things we disagree on .. *L* .. he threw 98% of his passes at 1 speed ... thats not touch ...
I have all but 2 of the games tivo;d ... if u have a dvd player I can make u copies of some of them and send them to U and we can go over them together if u like ... and this is not a "challenge" as in PROVE IT .. if we lived closer I would definetly come over and watch film with U to try and learn .... this is just the only way possible to do it ..
let me know .. I will gladly dvd them for U and send them to U so we can all learn ...
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DA has more upside than BQ does. That is not a knock on BQ, it is just that he was more of a finished product than DA when coming out of college. Savage recognizes DA's upside, and he has tried telling it to you knuckleheads numerous times.
DA has more upside in that he has a stronger arm and is taller ... thats where his advantages end though ... U can't teach arm strength and height .. problem is that VERY VERY VERY few can be taught to make good decisions and u can't teach accuracy ...
he may have "more upside" in that his physical skills are better .. but weather he ever achieves more than the limits his brains and innacuracy place on him is what will determine how good of a QB he becomes ... u know where I stand on that one ..
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yes he does ... along with the TERRIBLE stretches WITHIN A GAME ... he had alot of yo yo games this year .. see Oakland as the prime example ..
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DA was signed by Savage because the Browns believe in him.......even if you don't. The contract is not so long that it eliminates BQ, but it is long enough for the team to give DA the shot he earned.
he was signed for the Browns for many many reasons ... 1 of them was for him to get a SHOT HERE ... alot of folks are having alot of trouble coming to grips with that on both sides of the isle ... if the Browns truely believed in DA .. why isnt he signed to a 6 or 7 year deal and locked up for the long term??? I'll post more on this in a week or so when folks are a little calmer and less emotional ..
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DA's signing tells me that the team does not believe that BQ is the better QB right now. And I think they know better than you do, especially since they see both every freaking day.
it doesnt matter what they think today .. all that matters is what they think in the beggining of Sept. ... and BQ will leave no doubt as to who the better QB is then .... as I have said all along ... YOU'LL SEE ...
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DA's flaws are PHYSICAL, not MENTAL.
He made better decisions as time wore on, MUCH BETTER decisions. His problem? He couldn't complete the short throws. He lacked touch and accuracy and ability to throw on the run. Which in turn caused him to force the ball downfield cuz of circumstance.
If DA can correct his physical limitations, watch out.
Agility tests: Campus: 5.0 in the 40-yard dash...400-pound bench press...30-inch vertical jump...34 -inch arm length...9 -inch hands...Right-handed...15/27 Wonderlic score
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/2005draft/Anderson,Derek-QB-Oregon%20State.htm
He scored 2 points higher than Vince Young on his Wonderlic score.
Soooo, maybe it IS mental?
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I decided to pop into this thread to see what was up in the latest QB debacle and see that we've gotten to citing Wonderlic scores by page four. Fantastic.
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Toad... good job. Way to bring the info reagrding DA's contract.
Hehehe.......If it wasn't me, it would have gotten here very quickly anyway
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That begs a very difficult question to answer... (And I'm gonna do what you've chided me on many a time in the past 2 weeks - put the cart before the horse) but at what point do we yank DA if he's just not getting it done? It's becoming more and more clear that he will have every opportunity to start. But say he goes 2-4 in the first 6 games, or say we have a losing record at the BYE, is the experiment officially over at that point?
Actually, putting the cart before the horse is only relative if it's put into practice as the foundation of a belief regarding how things will or should happen. What you've done is propose a plausible scenario with the intent of exploring how things may work out, and where we go from there. So technically, you aren't putting the cart before the horse
What we all know beyond a shadow of a doubt is that Anderson IS going to be our starting QB out of the gate. There's no freakin' way in Hell Savage would commit organizational suicide by trading him now. However, what we also know is that Anderson is essentially playing this season for the RIGHT to collect the 2nd signing bonus and 2nd year of salary that's laid out in the terms of the contract. So, in essence, as has been explained before, it's a one-year deal, which means it's a one-year trial. Quinn is obviously in the mix, and if Anderson falters, Quinn will get his shot.
So, back to your question. At what point? If Anderson is getting good protection and has his weapons firing on mostly all cylinders, yet is still playing badly for any signficant stretch, he's gonna get yanked. As an organization, we'll have to determine if Quinn is ready, so that we can make the right decision at the end of the year. My belief is that the record doesn't matter, at least not early in the year. What'll be most important is how Anderson is playing. If he is playing badly for a three-game stretch, that's when I'd expect to see Quinn hitting the field. You'd probably see Anderson get the start, with the plan being that Quinn will "see some action" (which is just a nice way of saying he's going to get the chance to come in off the bench and win the job *L*). Then, if Anderson struggles again, Quinn gets another crack, and can win the job at that point.
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IMO...you shouldn't have started Brady second half of last season because:
1) We were still in playoff hunt
I buy that mostly but DA sucked in the Bengal game.
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2) The elements were bad (30 MPH winds and 8" of snow in several games)
ok. i only saw one like that , but i agree.
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3) We only lost 2 games all year by more than one score and we had a 30th ranked D (so the O must have been doing something right)
oh don't get me wrong, DA is OK, BUT he does have 1-3 games a year when he is in a brain freeze. What then? when gets like that, it's Frye all over again.
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4) Quinn doesn't have timings down with the starters
I dont know didn't he look pretty good in the one game that DA hurt his thumb? As i recall, he moved the team pretty well, and should have had a TD but KW dropped a perfect pass at the goal line...
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5) Anderson was a Probowl QB
LOL, sometimes he is, that's true.
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I just think he's a wacky quarterback: does some great things, but does some God-awful things you literally would not see from a CFL quarterback.
i agree-if he can get rid of those things, we'll trade brady and get some picks, but who know if he can? As far as the mental/physical debate; i see it as both. When he misses a few passes that are above his skill level, the mental thing kicks in, and he is over-thinking for the next few plays.
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I just think he's a wacky quarterback: does some great things, but does some God-awful things you literally would not see from a CFL quarterback.
i agree-if he can get rid of those things, we'll trade brady and get some picks, but who know if he can? As far as the mental/physical debate; i see it as both. When he misses a few passes that are above his skill level, the mental thing kicks in, and he is over-thinking for the next few plays.
with an improved defense hopefully rip will get it into his head that he doesnt need to force a pass,just get rid of it and let our D get the ball back for us,as i remember oregon states defense sucked and da felt that he had to put the team on his shoulders which lead to bad decisions at times from him,i am more worried about that sort of thing than putting some touch on the ball
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Didn't feel the need to start a new thread for this but is anybody else really freakin relieved that Savage didn't trade up for his boy Jamarcus Russell last year? I mean it couldn't have played out any better but I thought this report was kind of funny.
JaMarcus Russell-QB- Raiders Mar. 9 - 8:01 pm et
According to SI.com's Don Banks, there are "rumors" that JaMarcus Russell has ballooned to close to 300 pounds since last season ended.
Russell, who coach Lane Kiffin has named the Raiders' starter, had weight issues in college. InsideBayArea.com's Jerry McDonald writes in his blog that no players have actually seen Russell this offseason, so the rumors are hard to confirm. Russell has shown the ability to drop weight quickly.
Source: SI.com
If this is true then this guy has some serious issues he needs to work out with himself.
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How does anyone know how big he is if nobody has seen him this winter? I'm not saying it isn't true but it seems a little odd.
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I don't know but it had to come from somewhere. It's not hard to believe really. He looked fat at the combine. If he isn't keeping fit this off-season it's not too far fetched.
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According to SI.com's Don Banks, there are "rumors" that JaMarcus Russell has ballooned to close to 300 pounds since last season ended.
Hilarious! 
Just when you think The Raiders can't look any dumber..BOOM. I'll never get why the NFL community was so high on Russell, I can find them a guy whos 6'6 and can throw a football 75yds and will work for food.
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According to SI.com's Don Banks, there are "rumors" that JaMarcus Russell has ballooned to close to 300 pounds since last season ended.
Hilarious!
Just when you think The Raiders can't look any dumber..BOOM. I'll never get why the NFL community was so high on Russell, I can find them a guy whos 6'6 and can throw a football 75yds and will work for food.
Well, first of all, we don't know if this is true. But if it is, it makes you wonder a little bit about how sometimes you just need a little good luck to make some strides. If memory serves me correctly, Savage not only had a long relationship with Russel from his days as a youngster, but Savage inquired about moving up to take him. I also remember Savage commenting on Russell as being a player that doesn't come around very often.
For as much good as Savage has done, I wonder how many of these 'almost' deals that fell through have really benefitted us.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Of course Quinn wants to start, and I still believe he will end up our starter at some point in the not too distant future, maybe not this upcoming season but I don't think DA will be around forever, unless he improves dramatically and I'm not really expecting that. Though it would put us in a nice predicament. 
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nice breakdown, Toad. ...and as strategies go, I don't think a better one could have been employed, given our situation. Phil and Trip put together a nice little helping of chicken salad from a situation that could easily have turned into chicken you-know-what, if handled poorly. This was the only sensible path that gave the Browns stability AND options... and was the right chess move to make at this point in the game. For my money, I'm all for seeing what DA can do in an '08 encore. Kid's earned it. At the same time, he also didn't earn a blockbuster payday or long-term commitment... and he didn't get either. If he earns the last year of his contract, it'll be because we found our guy, and that's OK, too... hasta la vista, Brady- and we barely knew ye. On the flip, one sentence you wrote spells it out best: Quote:
However, if Anderson fails, he's released or traded, at which time Quinn will be entering his third year, and will be in the best position possible to succeed.
This is almost textbook for "How to Groom a Rookie 101." Browns fans haven't been lucky enough to see this practice in action in a looooong time. Whether by design or accident of timing, Quinn will get his starting job behind an O that is well-established and loaded with ability. Nice comfy cockpit to snuggle into, to be sure.
Like I said- options.
It's hard to imagine a scenario where this might turn out bad for the Browns, now that Phil has bought us some time to be smart (at a price we can handle). 2 capable QB's on a team are a real rarity these days, and should be seen as an asset- not simply fuel for some foolish "controversy."
Maybe Browns fans aren't used to seeing smart business from their FO yet. Maybe if it wasn't such a novel concept (... after years of foolishness, myopia and ineptitude...) they'd be a little more willing to relax- and let things play out.
Thanks for the post. It was a lot more fun than DA>BQ>DA>BQ....
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p.s. since the ultimate Browns QB would probably be named either Derek Brady or Quinn Anderson, I'm afraid this deadbate will probably never actually die...
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Sitting now will pay off later for Quinn By Jeffri Chadiha ESPN.com Updated: March 11, 2008 Cleveland Browns quarterback Brady Quinn may not see it now, but his backup status will be a good thing for his future. It means he'll have a little more time to develop. It means he'll have a little less pressure on his shoulders during a season when the Browns will try to mature into a playoff team. It also means he'll have a little better shot at becoming the Golden Boy quarterback that many Browns backers already figure him to be. All Quinn needs to do is check the NFL landscape to see how valuable another season on the bench behind starter Derek Anderson -- who recently signed a three-year, $24 million contract -- could be for him. And this isn't another attempt to rehash the debate about playing a young quarterback early or sitting him down for a season. This is about what two years or more on the sidelines can do for a guy. The players who fall into that kind of good fortune, the ones with enough talent, seem to become far more productive when they get into the lineup these days. Take last year, for example. Of the top 20 rated passers in the league, 10 of them didn't become full-time starters until at least two years had passed since their arrival in the NFL. There were also two other players (Tampa Bay's Jeff Garcia and Arizona's Kurt Warner) who wound up playing in other leagues before proving they could prosper in this league. This isn't a coincidence, people. The reality is that succeeding as a quarterback in today's game has as much to do with settling down as it has to do with showcasing one's skill level. Look at Jacksonville's David Garrard, who spent five seasons waiting for his chance as a full-time starter and then validated himself by throwing 18 touchdown passes and just three interceptions last year. Dallas' Tony Romo is another example; he's a two-time Pro Bowler who spent three years on the sidelines in Dallas. There's also Seattle's Matt Hasselbeck (two years as a backup in Green Bay), San Diego's Philip Rivers (two years with the Chargers) and the promising Matt Schaub in Houston (three years as a backup in Atlanta). These players received valuable educations during what seemed like endless waiting on the sidelines. As a result, their chances for success increased. "Brady probably won't have to wait as long as I did, but there are benefits to waiting a while," Garrard said. "It was better for me because I felt I needed time to engulf our system and learn what everybody was doing. I was able to get that through playing in the preseason, and I saw the game really slow down for me as each year went by. Over time, it got so easy for me that I knew I was ready for a bigger challenge than playing against [backups]." In his first full season as starter, David Garrard led the Jaguars to the Divisional Round of the playoffs. Of course, Anderson also is proof of what ample time on the sidelines can do for a player. In three years, he went from the bottom of the depth chart with the Baltimore Ravens, the team that originally drafted him, to being named a Pro Bowl alternate for the Browns this past season. Anderson made that leap because he blossomed gradually and the Browns surrounded him with some Pro Bowl-caliber talent on offense. Without a strong supporting cast or the experience of holding a clipboard for that long, Anderson could've easily remained another middling unknown. The bottom line here is that the more the Browns improve their team -- and they've already had a strong showing this offseason by acquiring players like defensive tackles Corey Williams and Shaun Rogers along with wide receiverDonte' Stallworth -- the better off Quinn will be if he gets the job. As Browns general manager Phil Savage said, "We've found out in Cleveland that it takes 22 [players] -- if not all 53 -- the coaching staff, and a good organization behind the team to really be successful." What Quinn also needs is the time to develop a strategy to deal with all the responsibilities that come with his position. For example, Schaub spent part of his years in Atlanta preparing to be the face of a team, a role that includes constant media scrutiny, increased demands on a player's personal time and lofty expectations. "The lessons I learned in Atlanta helped me have a plan in place once I got here," Schaub said. "I had a plan for how I wanted to go about my business [during the season] and prepare during the offseason. By sitting back and watching, I had a chance to develop my own routine." It will be interesting to see how Quinn uses his current downtime to enhance his own game. Will he be more proficient in running the offense this spring and summer? Will he be more dynamic in practices and preseason games than Anderson, who will enter next season as the starter? Just as important is Quinn's ability to maintain the confidence that made him a first-round pick and Cleveland's quarterback of the future. Garrard said the one thing he constantly fought in Jacksonville was the potential for doubt to creep into his mind while he waited for his shot. "[Former Jaguars quarterback] Mark Brunell used to always tell me to not let those demons get inside my head, the ones that tell you the organization is losing faith in you," Garrard said. "I know Brady Quinn probably doesn't have to think about that yet, but with the way Derek Anderson has played, it has to cross his mind." So far, Quinn hasn't shown any inclination for self-doubt. His agent, Tom Condon, said the quarterback "is ready to compete for the job," and Quinn recently made similar comments to local reporters. The reality is that Quinn realizes he has to earn his way into being the Browns quarterback and that his pursuit of this goal might take longer than he anticipated. But when he looks back at his career, he shouldn't see this as a period of endless frustration. If anything, he should recognize this for what it will be: time well spent. Senior writer Jeffri Chadiha covers the NFL for ESPN.com. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=chadiha_jeff&id=3287468
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good article... and some good points.
I can truly understand many Dawgs' eagerness to see Brady Quinn on the field, but this just makes sense on many levels. The main point is obvious to me...
-By the time Brady Quinn sees the field of play in regulation, he will have seen absolutely everything... and nothing helps a person succeed more than being fully prepared.
This includes all those behind-the -scenes issues that the author mentioned.
When he does take the reins, I want him fully prepped, ready, and free of distractions. Pressure, fans, media attention... all take their toll on a person- and the QB gets more of it than anoyone else, because he is the highest profile player on an NFL squad.
As I've said many times before (and in many different ways), "bringing up brady" slowly is the smartest way to maximise his chances once he's brought up. Extending DA's contract was as much for the benefit of Brady as it was for Derek AND the Browns.
Smart all the way around.
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I decided to pop into this thread to see what was up in the latest QB debacle and see that we've gotten to citing Wonderlic scores by page four. Fantastic.
Yes, when a guy has physical limitations, it's often times "what's between his ears" that makes the difference.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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