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Ok...Kum-bye-a or Kalimba will be a Browns before the weekend is over.  
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If you remember Edwards ..or should I say Edwards dad is the reason Wimbleys here.. Phil wanted him bad in 06..he came almost signed but on his dad's urging went back to Detroit.. That started the tailspin of Rac wanting a OLB/pass rusher.. Had he signed I think Rac would have went with a run stuffer.. Wonder what Edwards dad thinks about Dtown cutting him? If they want to look at him for 1 or 2 years at a low price do it..gives us depth..
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I don't think he'd be any better than Peek.
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I'd sign him to compete with Peek and take the better of the two. But if we did sign him, then Willie's days in the CLE are probably just about over.
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Agree and after all of the negatives I've heard on him, I'd be reluctant to sign him to any more than a 1 year "show me" contract.
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Willie's days in the CLE are probably just about over.
I'm not to sure about that, RAC likes his leadership around the lockeroom, maybe his playing days are just about over, but it wouldnt suprise me to see Willie stick around as a coach in some aspects of the Def.
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I'd rather draft and develop a guy. Why waste money on a guy who won't stay healthy?
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Jones is recovering from a torn ACL. He's probably going to start the season on the PUP.
Edwards is recovering from sucking his whole career.
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I'd rather draft and develop a guy. Why waste money on a guy who won't stay healthy?
Tell that to Gary Baxter. C'mon, haven't you noticed how we've been doing all these team-friendly contracts? Sign him to a short-term incentive-laden contract and see what the guy can bring to the table. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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I'd rather draft and develop a guy. Why waste money on a guy who won't stay healthy?
I agree. I'd rather develop a Jason Jones or a Bruce Davis (4th rounders) than dump a ton of money on this guy.
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A similar thing could be said about Shaun Rogers. Why waste money on a guy who was a problem at his old team?
Marvin Lewis said he'd be able to keep guys in line in Cinci, and we've seen how well that's turned out. Hopefully we don't fall into the same line of thinking. "Well, we have RAC and Savage, so they'll be able to get the guys in line who have had problems."
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Ah Ha,, could this be what Phil has been waiting for? hey, if the guy can play, why not bring him in... Phil once thought he was a piece of the puzzle.. maybe he still does?
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Marvin Lewis said he'd be able to keep guys in line in Cinci, and we've seen how well that's turned out. Hopefully we don't fall into the same line of thinking. "Well, we have RAC and Savage, so they'll be able to get the guys in line who have had problems."
The difference I see with RAC and Savage vs. Lewis is that I truly believe that if a player, no matter who that player is, really is causing a disturbance that they will take care of it by getting rid of the player. I think they realize one bad apple can spoil the whole bunch and will take care of it accordingly IMO.
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I see it as more of Cincy's desperation to become a good football team, so when they began building the current roster, they took chances on good players with character issues and then the inmates began to run the asylum. When Phil and RAC came here, they put an emphasis on character over talent at first. Now, we have both. And Cincy is still trying to pick up the pieces. They were good for about a year or two and now the character issues have superceded the talent they brought in. Anyone looking to rebuild an NFL franchise would be good to take a good long look at these two organizations from top to bottom. It would be an interesting case study of What To Do vs. What Not To Do.
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What's telling is that the Lions had a pretty anemic pass rush in 2007, and they dumped the guy who Marinelli had predicted he could turn into another Simeon Rice.
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I absolutly agree - we've done a great job at bringing in character players, where Cincy has not. So, to that reasoning, if we bring Edwards in I have to believe that they do not feel he will be a character probelm. If he is, I see him getting cut whenever problems start to arise however.
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I didn't know there were legitimate concerns regarding his character. I think he has injury concerns primarily.
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What's telling is that the Lions had a pretty anemic pass rush in 2007, and they dumped the guy who Marinelli had predicted he could turn into another Simeon Rice.
True enough, and you can't say that it's because of the HC or his system. Maranelli is pretty good... so it had to be the players one would think... right?
But you never know, sometimes a new voice gets through to guys,, if Edwards isn't gonna cost us a bunch, what the heck.. give it a try...
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The important part is not about Marinelli, it's that the Lions dumped him and they have very little depth at DE. Realistically, Edwards is not getting any better after six years in the league.
If you guys are looking for a reason Edwards isn't that good (other than injuries), it's that the guy has never even developed a swim move. He has to beat his man around the corner with his speed, or he's done. He never sets up his blocker.
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If you guys are looking for a reason Edwards isn't that good (other than injuries), it's that the guy has never even developed a swim move. He has to beat his man around the corner with his speed, or he's done. He never sets up his blocker.
Same could be said about Wimbley. However, he's only been in the league a couple years. And he's technically an OLB in the 3-4 instead of a DE in the 4-3.
Just sayin'...
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The important part is not about Marinelli, it's that the Lions dumped him and they have very little depth at DE. Realistically, Edwards is not getting any better after six years in the league.
If you guys are looking for a reason Edwards isn't that good (other than injuries), it's that the guy has never even developed a swim move. He has to beat his man around the corner with his speed, or he's done. He never sets up his blocker.
It's not even the injuries that concern me. The Lions gave up on this guy. He's in his own little world. I've heard him called a "flake", a "quitter" and that the Lions gave up on him because he "can't be trusted". And those are just his GOOD traits. Yes, he has shown glimpses of greatness but the negatives FAR outweigh the positives. One year deal MAX, if we decide to roll the dice.
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Wimbley has the shoulder dip and the swim move. Wimbley's biggest issue is he doesn't use his hands all that well to fight off blockers.
Edwards has nothing. And he's been in the league six years. That's a bit of time. And if Rod Marinelli can't teach you some pass rush moves, you're either a total dolt or just hopeless. And what's been said before, the word "quitter" has been brought up. By nature, pass rushers need to be hungry and fearless...not quitters.
So why even bother with this ball-bag? I can't see why drafting a guy, paying him maybe $500K a year, is smarter than throwing at least a million at this guy.
I know the Browns have been going crazy in free agency, but rarely do teams built like this have continued success. You have to build up the young talent pool behind it with rookies, not busted veterans. If you don't do it right, you end up like the Redskins, making the playoffs one season then blowing the next. With the free agent moves the Browns have made, they HAVE to get solid rookies to develop behind so that in a few years when money could be tight, cuts can be made and rookie can be elevated.
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He isn't signed yet..and if so it will not be a big contract.
I see what they're trying to do..
I'm not alarmed about the FA spending because they have those contracts layed out to benefit those cap ceilings for the future..plus they still have all picks on the second day and all of the 09 draft...
The Redskins had a habit of signing any BIG NAME FA...
The Browns aren't doing that.
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Based on the following article, Browns still have some breathing room under the cap: web page 19. Cleveland $12.0 million
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Well, we just lost Chaun Thompson to the Texans, so I'd expect us to sign someone by the end of the weekend. In fact, I'd be surprised if Edwards wasn't already boarding a plane to Cleveland.
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jc... Gotta be careful, remember the Brownco's? I don't want to become the Brions.  Edwards would be fine, I'm not sure about Jones, he's had 1 good year, and then seems like he had minor injuries each year after, and never amounted to much.
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Edwards has nothing. And he's been in the league six years. That's a bit of time. And if Rod Marinelli can't teach you some pass rush moves, you're either a total dolt or just hopeless.
Bravo...And talk to me about a 6' 6" 265 Defensive END in a 4-3 D...
Do u even grasp the difference between that 4-3 End and that 3-4 OLB???
Before we go any further...Explain the difference...If u can...
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They were pretty serious injuries...
Seriously if the Browns sign either of these toads I'm just going to be disgusted. Hello 7-9.
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They were pretty serious injuries...
Seriously if the Browns sign either of these toads I'm just going to be disgusted. Hello 7-9.
So what you're saying is, if we make a depth signing, we will automatically go 7-9 ? You are too bright .
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Are you being serious? If so I'm not even going to dignify this with a response. I mean, I give ya a mini scouting report on the guy, and you are asking me if I know the difference between a 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE?
Better question...how many OLB's, in any system, are 6'6 or above? The answer is just about none.
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It's not really that smart of a move to bolster your depth charts with injury riddled cast-offs from bad teams.
For example...the Browns sign Edwards, make him Wimbley's backup. So let's say Wimbley tears an ACL in Week One, out for the year. Now your team's whole approach is changed, and your backup is Kalimba Edwards who becomes a starter. Edwards makes it a month, and has a season ending quad injury (for example). Now in a month, you are on your third stringer, who's a special teams ace and not really a regular contributor, as a starter, and his backups are even worse then he is.
That's not depth.
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I think if you're listing his height as the reason why he can't play OLB in a 3-4, you're kinda grabbing at straws. Real quick, OLBs over 6-4 play the Browns, Patriots, ASteelers, and Chargers presently:
Mike Vrabel
Pierre Woods
Clark Haggans
Andre Frazier
Willie McGinest
Shawne Merriman
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No, as I stated earlier, he can't play in any system because he blows and has no pass rush moves.
The point about his heights is relevant though. I said over 6'6...not 6'4. 6'6 is too tall.
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That is possibly the worst argument I have ever read. While I'm not saying Edwars is a good player, how is having Edwards if he only lasts a month after Wimbley goes down with an injury not better than going straight to the special teamer who is playing out of position? Are you saying Edwards is not better than a special teamer playing out of position?
I don't think you know what depth means.
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I know the Browns have been going crazy in free agency,
NO they haven't...
Anderson???...Re--sign your own
Lewis...Re-sign your own
Friedman...Re-sign your own (Chump change)
Baxter...Re-sign your own (Chump change DREAM and likely CUT)
Holly...Re-sign your own (Chump change with a contract or just tender)
Williams...26...Top Tier DL signed to what would be a 2nd contract as if we drafted him ourselves...
Rogers...28,,,Big Contract Signing via TRADE
Smith...Robaire...FA Signing...Nothing huge
Smith...Shaun...26...FA Signing...Nothing even close to huge
Now let's look at a few more FA signings that you're PANICKING about as far as the future goes...
Steinbach...27...2nd contract as if we drafted him ourselves...
Shaffer...27...2nd contract as if we drafted him ourselves...
Bentley...28...2nd contract as if we drafted him ourselves (REDONE to a NOTHING Cap Hit in 2008)
Fraley...30...Signed to a chump change contract after an initial DESPERATION move/trade...
McGinest...80...A MAJOR MAJOR signing in his last year...UNACCOUNTED for in the future...NO NEED...
Peek...27...MINOR FA contract...
And should we now go into the 5 MOST IMPORTANT POSITIONS ON ANY NFL TEAM????...The same positions most ALL Front Office folks consider FRANCHISE POSITIONS....
Quarterback...A FA of our OWN (Pro-Bowler)...Original PRACTICE SQUAD Pick-up...
Quarterback...1st Round DRAFT PICK...
Left Tackle...1st Round DRAFT PICK...(Pro-Bowler)
#1 Wide-Out...1st Round DRAFT PICK...(Pro-Bowler)
Corner...2nd Round DRAFT PICK...
DE/NT...High $$$ FA in his PRIME...
Where are we failing>????
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Man, I just can't win today. Oh well, never stopped me before.
Guys, don't be sucked into this whirlwind of Kalimba Edwards. He's terrible. No one has addressed the issue of adding "depth" with a guy who can't stay on the field. Not only that he blows. So this is a good signing why?
I will eat my shoe as an act of contrition if he signs with the Browns and becomes a Pro Bowl/All Pro double digit sack terror. I'm putting my money where my mouth is on this on. I give several solid reasons why the guy isn't that good, but no one can tell me why the Browns should sign him, other than he has a heartbeat.
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Are you being serious? If so I'm not even going to dignify this with a response. I mean, I give ya a mini scouting report on the guy, and you are asking me if I know the difference between a 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE?
Better question...how many OLB's, in any system, are 6'6 or above? The answer is just about none.
Who said anything about 6' 6" and OLB???
And while we're there...
McGinest in Cleveland
Canty in Dallas...
PRIMO size for an OLB in a 3-4 D is 6' 4" + and 260 +...
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I´m with BigC on this one....didn´t like that we pursued Edwards 2 years ago and was glad he didn´t end up here....but otoh I wouldn´t feak out if he´s signed NOW as a backup RUSH specialist...
I´d rather have Chaun because he´s more valuable as a backup OVERALL....as a role player Edwards is clearly better (rushing the passer) but everything else: versatility, ST-play Chaun was more valuable.....
Overall I agree with C....I´d rather draft a Bruce Davis or Roberrtson and let him play that role while trying to make him a complete 34 OLB and least with those Rookies there´s HOPE they´ll become complete players ...Edwards will never be that player and demands more money....if it´s near vet-minimum and not much SB I´d understand signing Edwards.....from 1mil up on SB it´s a bad deal imho
to fill our OLB-pass rush need this would be my PLAN:
sign Colvin to a 2-3 year deal and a late round project to compete with McMillan....next year Colvin takes over McGinests role and the young guys step up
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I give ya a mini scouting report on the guy
OK...Here's one to...Good AND Bad...
Edwards has a very good combination of speed and athleticism. He has fluid change-of-direction skills, explosive burst and an impressive motor. He continues to develop his awareness.
He is a pure speed rusher who also has the ability to drop into a zone or even play some man-to-man. He has great snap anticipation and an explosive first step. He immediately puts an offensive tackle on his heels.
He has the speed to accelerate in a high arc, squeezing the pocket and closing on the quarterback quickly. He has a strong up-and-under counter when a tackle overplays his outside rush.
He plays with leverage against the run and has good functional strength for his size. He battles and has reasonable success at the point of attack. He is excellent in pursuit and makes many plays from the back side.
But Edwards is undersized (FOR A 3-4 DEFENSIVE END). He gets engulfed or overpowered too often. He can be undisciplined, running around blocks and opening up holes in the defense. He sometimes plays too upright and can be knocked off course by a powerful swat. His work ethic has been questioned at times.
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Dawg............here is a rule of thumb when reading player evaluations.
Read the positives and keep them in mind, but you must concentrate on the negatives. Some negatives aren't that big of a deal.. Such as........Joe Thomas needs to add bulk to his frame. Or, Emmit Smith doesn't have an extra gear and can be caught from behind. You look at their positives and those negatives aren't a huge deal. On the other hand, some negatives raise really large red flags. Things such as "plays undisciplined;" "has great physical skills but often disappears in games;" "has questionable work ethic;" "gets swallowed by blockers;" "runs undisciplined routes;" "plays too high and uses arms too much against speed rushers;" etc, etc.
You take a look at Edwards' negatives and you tell me if you think this guy is a worthy investment?
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