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Alex Smith was the #1 overall pick coming out of the spread. That's one off the top of my head.
Vince Young came out of a system that is similar to what Rodriguez runs as well.
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Sorry, that is not quite right.
The system that Mack Brown ran for VY at Texas was not the Spread-Option that Rodriguez ran at WVU.
There are 3 basic types of Spread-style offenses in the college ranks right now and they are very different in execution (the formations are the same, which is why they are all 'spread' offenses).
1. Spread Option - this is the offense that Rodriguez has run at WVU. It is basically a modern-day version of the Veer. The #1,#2, and #3 options of the offense are to run the ball and then to only pass the ball occasionally to keep the defense off guard. The passes tend to be down the field when they catch the safety biting toward the line. Most HS teams that run the spread run this offense because it is easier to learn and keeps the ground game churning.
2. Spread Offense - this is the offense that Urban Meyer ran at BG, Utah, and now at Florida. It is a pass-first offense that is a descendant of the run-n-shoot offense (utilizing run-n-shoot pass routes from the spread formations). This is also the offense that Tressel has used as his change-up the past 2 seasons. Most passes are short routes or crossing patterns while the runs tend to be up the middle or WR end-arounds.
3. Zone-Read Offense - now this is the offense that VY ran at UT. It is a basic shotgun offense with an option built-in for the QB to hand off to the RB. Basically, the QB is responsible to read certain keys from the defense and hand the ball off (usually up the middle) to the RB sitting next to him or roll out in the opposite direction for a pass (he is only supposed to run if nothing is open to pass). This offense can be effective because almost every play has identical motions on the OL, RB, and QB. Only the WR's change their routes and you need a heady QB to quickly make the right reads.
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Oh, and since we're in a Pryor thread:
Pryor ran option #1...the spread option that Rodriguez runs...which is why it is a bit strange that he didn't follow him to Michigan, but I will gladly take it.
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That was a good post. Where did you get that info from?
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Thanks. Most information I gathered from studying playbooks here: http://fastandfuriousfootball.com/index2.htmlThe terms I used there are either in the playbooks or used by the coaches who describe their offense. Then watching the teams and tracking how they utilize the spread. Another interesting team is LSU because they do not fit nicely into any of the 3 categories. They run so many formations you think Mike Martz is on the sidelines: they spread the ball, they bunch it up, they run a pure Spread-Option (with Perriloux), they run the Spread-Offense (with Flynn). They didn't run the zone-read but that is mostly because you need to be consistent for that offense to be effective and they have the most random offense I have ever seen (which in turn made it extremely difficult to defend). Be interesting to see what they do without their top2 QB's from last year (assuming Perriloux is gone, which isn't a safe assumption).
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Nas and Andre. Yes, you have both been posturing and you're still at it.  Of course, many Ohio State fans have been too. No big deal, but it has been humorous to watch. There would be some news that would favor him going to Michigan and the the Ohio State fans would say that Pryor was arrogant and trouble. The Michigan fans would be saying what a great fit it would be and how their future looked great. Then, another report would come out and it seemed as if he might go to Ohio State. Of course, the roles reversed. It was funny to watch how a rumor could change opinions. One day the kid was jerk, the next he was the straw that stirred the drink. The best one was when there was talk of him maybe going to Penn State, Oregon, Notre Dame, and even LSU. Then both UM and OSU fans thought he was an arrogant jerk. In the end, the kid went to Ohio State. I think it was a good choice for him, but of course, I am biased. I just admit it, while many of you don't. *L* And no one can tell me that they wouldn't want him on their team and no one can tell me that they aren't disappointed that he is w/the Buckeyes. We have very little to lose and a lot to gain. This is not the NFL. He is not a draft choice. This kid is rated very highly. He can help take us to new heights. If he turns out to be a total jerk..........so what. We let him walk. We lose a scholarship. Big deal. It ain't even close in the risk/reward sense of the argument. And anyone who wouldn't want this kid on their team is either very stupid or just an outright liar. There is very little downside. And the upside of the signing is HUGE! One more thing...........I do like how you said you wouldn't want an arrogant kid like him on your team.................this coming from a school that had guys like Braylon Edwards. *L* I guess the time Edwards refused to re-enter the game against Michigan State because he had been pulled for running sloppy routes, dropping passes, and not blocking doesn't count as an attitude problem, huh?  Oh...I better cover this. I ain't saying Ohio State has a bunch of choir boys. I know that attitude guys are in every program. But, I am saying it is ludicrous to make a comment that you don't want this kid because of his arrogant attitude. Give me a break, nas....................you're better than that!
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I've heard a few rumors Henton may transfer.
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One more thing...........I do like how you said you wouldn't want an arrogant kid like him on your team.................this coming from a school that had guys like Braylon Edwards. *L*
Your shoulders hurt from reaching Vers? 
The worst guy you could come up with was Braylon? For the sake of saving time, I won't rattle off the list OSU has. 
Did RR want Pryor? Yeah, he did but he's not going to lose any sleep over it and neither will I. Michigan's TEAM is going to win games, with or without players like Pryor. It will actually be quite fun to watch him flounder on the wrong end of the rivalry. 
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Can i be hoenst with you?
I would have said the exact same thing about tress and OSU if this kid went to MEEchigan instead of OSU....i expect nothing less from you..i would have had "i don't care" attitude as well....
Hell to be honest with you i don't care right now either....he has been hyped up so much i'm afraid he is going to stink up now...don't get me wrong i still think it's great OSU got him...but i really don't care anymore either lol
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Sorry nas.......but I already said that Ohio State had similar players. My point is that that argument is lame. It's about talent. The kid has talent. There's a reason he was recruited so highly. And if you would have signed him, you would be singing UM's praises right now.
Just admit, dude. No harm in being honest. And it's not like you guys are much of a rival anymore....*L*
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Sorry nas.......but I already said that Ohio State had similar players. My point is that that argument is lame. It's about talent. The kid has talent. There's a reason he was recruited so highly. And if you would have signed him, you would be singing UM's praises right now.
Just admit, dude. No harm in being honest. And it's not like you guys are much of a rival anymore....*L*
Was I hoping Pryor would sign with Michigan? At first, when the Rodriguez signed and Pryor added Michigan to his list, I was estatic. He is the ideal QB for our system. He has all the physical talent in the world. As time went on, and more and more reports came out of his poor attitude, I didn't care where he signed. He could end up a great player, but I don't see it as a great loss. I wouldn't have seen it as a great gain either. It has the potential to be a great deal for OSU, but from everything I have seen with his behavior, especially his behavior at his basketball games (and a lot more than can be posted here), he also has the potential to be another Clarett.
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he also has the potential to be another Clarett.
For anyone who says he might be another Clarett - that means he will help us win a National Championship. I hope he can do for us what Clarett did in 2002. We wouldn't have won that game without him...
Henne, Mallett, Hart, Manningham, Arrington, Long. All gone. Good luck this year. At least Appalachian State's off the schedule...
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Henne, Mallett, Hart, Manningham, Arrington, Long. All gone. Good luck this year. At least Appalachian State's off the schedule...
But dont you know they got Rich Rodriquez??!! OOOOOOOOHHHHHHH!! 
This is just OSU beating Michigan at something else, big surprise.
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I heard about this and was happy. I just got back from a retreat where we didnt have any TV, computers, or clocks so there is a lot for me to process right now!
But this is good for OSU. I mean in spite when he was taking so long to think I was one who said "you know I dont even want him any more" and like "this kid is a selfish punk", etc.
There's no deniable talent or potential in the kid. This is great for the rivalry! I find this friendly banter hilarious, both OSU and U of M guys know this, and that regardless of what school he chose the school that got him is a winner for now at least
But I think judgment should be reserved on him. It took guts to say I'm going to take the time on this, I'm not ready".
-"But Terrelle, everyone signs at this date. You do it."
All the hype and attention surrounding him... that's a lot to deal with. He probably made a good choice based on time alone.
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Ihe chose the school that got him is a winner for now at least
Right now?? How about 6 out of the past 7 years? Just nother Michigan loss to TOSU, they should be used to playing runner up to us by now.
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Just admit, dude. No harm in being honest. And it's not like you guys are much of a rival anymore....*L*
 Not cool Vers!
At least my SEC teams are still spanking you guys
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Right now?? How about 6 out of the past 7 years? Just nother Michigan loss to TOSU, they should be used to playing runner up to us by now.
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He said that they are winners for at least right now. You can't predict the future. So his statement was correct. Last time I checked, past games don't effect the winner of the future games.
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Right now?? How about 6 out of the past 7 years? Just nother Michigan loss to TOSU, they should be used to playing runner up to us by now.
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He said that they are winners for at least right now. You can't predict the future. So his statement was correct. Last time I checked, past games don't effect the winner of the future games.
Thats true, I feel pretty good going forward though, with or without Pryor. 
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Thats true, I feel pretty good going forward though, with or without Pryor.
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As do I, should be an exciting next few years once Rodriguez gets his sytem fully in place.
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As do I, should be an exciting next few years once Rodriguez gets his sytem fully in place.
In the back of mind I was kind of hoping you guys would get Pryor so you would have a better shot, hey at least you have hope, thats something I guess.
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Thats true, I feel pretty good going forward though, with or without Pryor.
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As do I, should be an exciting next few years once Rodriguez gets his sytem fully in place.
In the back of mind I was kind of hoping you guys would get Pryor so you would have a better shot, hey at least you have hope, thats something I guess.
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Give me a break. If you think RR needed Pryor to win games, you're going to be in for a rude awakening. Michigan will be fine.
I'm interested to see what happens when Tressel actually has to coach against someone with a pulse, something he hasn't had to do for seven years.
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Here is the bottom line, nas.
Ohio has better football players than Michigan. You guys rely on stealing players from Ohio. Since we have been kicking your ass lately, stealing our players is becoming increasingly difficult for you.
I don't like Michigan. I don't like your arrogant attitude. I don't like how you invade Ohio and then brag that your state is better. I don't like your Heisman poses in our end zone. I don't like how you twist the truth. We have been kicking your ass lately. Period. And we just got the top rated quarterback. Quit freaking twisting things.
We just kicked your ass again. Deal w/it!
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Buckeye recruit Pryor, Tressel dispute Clarett comparison
Sunday, March 23, 2008
BY Todd Porter
REPOSITORY SPORTS WRITER
Is Terrelle Pryor another Maurice Clarett?
That is the comparison being drawn, mostly by fans of schools that Pryor shunned last week for Ohio State.
Pryor, in case you've been spelunking since last year, is the 6-foot-6, 230-pound Jeannette (Pa.) High School quarterback that every college in the country wanted. He runs a 4.35 40-yard time. He ran and passed for more than 4,000 yards each in his high school career.
On national signing day last month, Pryor did not commit. He said he wanted to help his high school basketball team win a state title and devote more research into what school would be best for him.
OSU Head Coach Jim Tressel did not have a problem with that. In fact, Tressel admired the fact so many people around Pryor wanted him to make sure he made the right decision — and he wanted to help teammates in basketball attain a team goal — and that Pryor was mature enough to take a step back.
Comparisons to Clarett are, at this point, plain wrong. Clarett, as Tressel said, tried to keep a foot in both worlds — college football (his way out of a troubled past in Youngstown) and that troubled world in Youngstown. It eventually "wishboned" Clarett.
There is nothing in Pryor's background to suggest police will one day surround his car and arrest him with a bottle of Grey Goose and a rifle.
The biggest label Pryor has been slammed with is trying to be the center of attention for delaying his college decision.
"I don't get why people say everything is about me," Pryor said. "People said I just want to be the main topic of the day. Ask my teammates. Ask anybody around here. That's not how I am. I don't like being in the spotlight at all. I didn't ask to be No. 1 (ranked recruit) in the country.
"I just want to be an ordinary kid, work out and go please the Buckeye nation."
TERRELLE'S TEMPER
Yes, Pryor has been a bit of a hot head at times. Who isn't, in his shoes?
"The thing about Terrelle that I've grown to understand is he's as competitive as I've ever seen a young person," Tressel said. "He said at the beginning of the year he wanted to win a state championship in both sports. ... All of a sudden as his excellence grew in public, there's a lot of people, when you get put on that pedestal, who take shots at you.
"I'm not sure if headstrong is a good word or a bad word. I love competitors, and I love young people who want to do very, very well. I have nothing but great respect for how he feels about his teammates."
WHAT TO EXPECT
Tressel, near the end of his conference call, pointed out that summer quarter starts at Ohio State on June 16. Pryor is set to enroll then and be on campus. He needs one senior-level high school course to graduate, or he could have enrolled early at Ohio State had he signed in February.
That's another reason he delayed his decision. Once he realized he couldn't enroll early, there was no need to rush the decision.
Pryor is not going to unseat a healthy Todd Boeckman in the first half of the season. In fact, the Buckeyes would have to go in the tank, and Boeckman really struggle, for Tressel to consider the move.
What you can expect is OSU's coaching staff to drill 15 to 20 plays into Pryor in four short weeks in August and work him into game situations with those plays.
"(Tressel) explained that as Todd Boeckman is in there, he would work me in just like (Florida QB Tim) Tebow," Pryor said. "Use me on runs, and that sounded good to me."
NO SPECIAL HOOK-UPS
Tressel found out — for sure — Pryor was coming to Ohio State when he had a friend in Stark County hold a cell phone to a TV where ESPNews broadcast the quarterback's press conference live. The night before, however, Pryor likely informed Tressel that Ohio State was his choice.
Tressel isn't one to assume anything when the stakes are this high.
"It was an exciting moment. It's not like I've been sitting here nice and relaxed like that game was over," Tressel said. "When you're talking about great schools like the ones he was considering, the game is never over."
Sure enough, on Wednesday morning, Pryor phoned Michigan Head Coach Rich Rodriguez and, according to Pryor, Rodriguez continued to do his job and recruit Pryor.
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If you think RR needed Pryor to win games, you're going to be in for a rude awakening.
oh sorry we forgot that you have this guy
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I'm interested to see what happens when Tressel actually has to coach against someone with a pulse, something he hasn't had to do for seven years.
Ok, sounds good anyways, keep up the hope.
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We have been kicking your ass lately. Period. And we just got the top rated quarterback. Quit freaking twisting things.
We just kicked your ass again. Deal w/it!
Should be used to it by now. New coach, same old story.
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Here is the bottom line, nas.
Ohio has better football players than Michigan. You guys rely on stealing players from Ohio. Since we have been kicking your ass lately, stealing our players is becoming increasingly difficult for you.
I don't like Michigan. I don't like your arrogant attitude. I don't like how you invade Ohio and then brag that your state is better. I don't like your Heisman poses in our end zone. I don't like how you twist the truth. We have been kicking your ass lately. Period. And we just got the top rated quarterback. Quit freaking twisting things.
We just kicked your ass again. Deal w/it!
Well, thankfully I could care less what you think.
Maybe the mighty Vers should go speak at Ohio high schools and tell kids not to go to Michigan. Tell them how crappy the state and the university is.
As for "not being able to recruit in Ohio", Michigan landed (7) total commits from Ohio in 2008, (6) of them being 4-star players in the top 20 of the Ohio recruiting rankings. University of Ohio State only signed 4 recruits in the top 20. But yeah, I guess Michigan can't recruit Ohio anymore huh Vers? Atleast you act like you know what you're talking about.
I don't have a problem with too many people but you're just too old and bitter for me Vers. Half the stuff you post is just you putting words in other people's mouths. I've already wasted enough time responding to your drivel.
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As for "not being able to recruit in Ohio", Michigan landed (7) total commits from Ohio in 2008, (6) of them being 4-star players in the top 20 of the Ohio recruiting rankings. University of Ohio State only signed 4 recruits in the top 20. But yeah, I guess Michigan can't recruit Ohio anymore huh Vers? Atleast you act like you know what you're talking about.
Hey Nas can you tell me how many of the top 20 players in Ohio got "offered" from both UM and OSU respectively?
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Hey Nas can you tell me how many of the top 20 players in Ohio got "offered" from both UM and OSU respectively?
Out of the commits, these players received offers from both schools:
TE Kevin Kroger, Toledo Whitmer
OL Patrick Omameh, St. Francis DeSales
Omameh was a late offer when OSU lost out on I believe Josh Jenkins?
TE Brandon Moore was being recruited by John Peterson but committed to UM in May of 2007 before OSU extended an offer.
OL Elliot Mealer was being recruited by Dick Tressel but committed to UM in April of 2007 before OSU extended an offer.
So OSU had an interest in 4 of the 7.
The players Michigan signed from Ohio that OSU didn't openly recruit were WR Roy Rountree (Purdue, WVU, Nebraska), RB Michael Shaw (Penn State, Tennessee, Nebraska, WVU) and OLB Taylor Hill (Oklahoma, MSU, Wisconsin, WVU). All were recruits RR had been on while at WVU.
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Omameh was a late offer when OSU lost out on I believe Josh Jenkins?
You are correct, to bad I wish we got him and Kevin Kroger both of them will be studs.
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Hey Nas can you tell me how many of the top 20 players in Ohio got "offered" from both UM and OSU respectively?
Out of the commits, these players received offers from both schools:
TE Kevin Kroger, Toledo Whitmer
OL Patrick Omameh, St. Francis DeSales
Omameh was a late offer when OSU lost out on I believe Josh Jenkins?
TE Brandon Moore was being recruited by John Peterson but committed to UM in May of 2007 before OSU extended an offer.
OL Elliot Mealer was being recruited by Dick Tressel but committed to UM in April of 2007 before OSU extended an offer.
So OSU had an interest in 4 of the 7.
The players Michigan signed from Ohio that OSU didn't openly recruit were WR Roy Rountree (Purdue, WVU, Nebraska), RB Michael Shaw (Penn State, Tennessee, Nebraska, WVU) and OLB Taylor Hill (Oklahoma, MSU, Wisconsin, WVU). All were recruits RR had been on while at WVU.
Thanks for the work...i really didnt know and figured that if you had the info you posted that I responded to that you would be able to get this as well.
I was interested in this because I was told that Tressel did more out of state recruiting/offers this year than in the past. This suprised me because recruiting starts at home and you have to take care of your in state kids. Do you think Dick Rod will look out of state a little more? and leave more in state kids to MSU? I would like to see Schiano move to PSU when JoePa decides to hang it up. I think the Big 10 would be as strong as ever in the coaching/recruiting ranks.
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was interested in this because I was told that Tressel did more out of state recruiting/offers this year than in the past. This suprised me because recruiting starts at home and you have to take care of your in state kids. Do you think Dick Rod will look out of state a little more? and leave more in state kids to MSU? I would like to see Schiano move to PSU when JoePa decides to hang it up. I think the Big 10 would be as strong as ever in the coaching/recruiting ranks.
It just depends. He wants the best kids for his system, so where they come from (in terms of geographical location) probably doesn't matter all that much to him. Moving forward, most of Michigan's recruits are most likely going to come from Florida, Ohio and Michigan. Maybe a few from California and Texas as well.
Michigan has had some good in-state talent recently, so I would guess it will be a priority to get the top prospects to stay home but there's only so many spots. I think Michigan will continue to recruit the top 5-10 in-state players year in and year out but the majority of recruits will most likely come from out of state.
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We have been kicking your ass lately. Period. And we just got the top rated quarterback. Quit freaking twisting things.
We just kicked your ass again. Deal w/it!
Should be used to it by now. New coach, same old story.
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I love the arrogance and cockiness of a few of the OSU fans around here. Last time I checked, Tressel hasn't beat Rodriguez yet. In the same breath, Rodriguez hasn't beaten Tressel yet. I would say that makes them pretty even so far. Tressel has a leg up this year for sure because his sytstem and players are in place while Rodriguez is still getting everything together for his.
To continue the thought though, it took a coaching change for OSU to beat Michigan. When Cooper was there, OSU couldn't beat Michigan. Yet when Michigan changes coaches, it is the same old story? I'll wait for the games to be played over the next 5-6 years before I make my judgement on that. It is possible that OSU continues winning against Michigan, but it is also possible that Michigan turns the tables on OSU. Who is to say at the moment?
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Any year either team can win... doesn't matter who is more talented... who is ranked higher... or where the game will be played... it's the best rivalry in sports. Every year when they play you can toss all the records out because they don't mean jack. I'm thrilled as hell that Jim has done so well against UM... but it doesn't mean a damn thing... every year it's been a win by what? less than 7 points... I think all of the OSU games the last 5 or 6 years could have easily gone either way...
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Any year either team can win... doesn't matter who is more talented... who is ranked higher... or where the game will be played... it's the best rivalry in sports. Every year when they play you can toss all the records out because they don't mean jack. I'm thrilled as hell that Jim has done so well against UM... but it doesn't mean a damn thing... every year it's been a win by what? less than 7 points... I think all of the OSU games the last 5 or 6 years could have easily gone either way...
I agree with you completely. Obviously OSU has been better the past few years, but not too long ago OSU was in the same situation as Michigan has been over the past few years. It is just frustrating to me when some of the OSU fans here completely write off Michigan and talk about how much better they are and how much better they will continue to be when no one knows anything yet. Let the situation play out before running your mouth. (Not directed at you Jay, just in general.)
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yeah... I trash talk with the best of them, but understand when to give respect as well... personally I can't stand RR, but he's a damn good coach and it'd be stupid to think he won't have UM rolling eventually...
plus if you look at the games OSU and UM have played in these last few 'dominate' years by OSU it's been damn close... the game of the century (OSU1/UM2) probably would have been won by UM if it would have been at the Big House... and the year before that it took a circus catch late in the game for OSU to pull off an unbelievable come-back...
this past year's I thought would have been a lot closer... but once Hart went out I knew it was over. Henne just never was able to win the big game without Hart. Hart was a loud mouth who could never shut up when he was suppose to... but he was a fantastic running back when healthy.
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Andra you are right, its not right to disrespect michigan. The reason why I do it is because of the disrespect OSU got during the cooper days. You guys will be good dont worry. Just hope its not good enough to beat us.
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