DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum And Let the Firings Begin Robo Gone!!!!

that first one is my favorite.....wish i could find the one about his injury....that one was hilarious too...

I'm THRILLED hes gone ... and it all started with Q ... it was well documented back then that he scouted Q and pushed for him ... he was also responsible for drafting Westbrook in Washington .. he was in LOVE with big/physical fast WR's that COULDN'T CATCH ...

I never lioked the guy and am THRILLED he is FINALLY gone ... the one thing i have to tip my hat to him on was hos WR's always BLOCKED WELL ... well the ones that were capable anyhow .. Cutt .. not so much ..

GOOD BYE AND GOOD RIDDANCE ROBO ...

Probably overdue, but I find no great joy in his being fired, nor do I think he was a bad coach.

I doubt someone new will usher in this great era of Browns receivers.

Good riddance. Overdue move that is a fine step in the right direction. I know nothing about OC candidate. A little help!
Da Browns! Be a fan of the future! Hang tough today! <img src="/images/graemlins/azzangel.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/saywhat.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" />

And cut routes short, and love any microphone, and can't back the hype, and fail to meet expectations, refuse to block, hold when they do, and can still manage to drop the ball, even in the clutch with a game on the line! How we kept some of these guys on the field, and how we have kept some ON the field is mindnumbing to me. Hope the first new rule is "Shut up and catch!" Hope new rule number two is "Have a seat if you break number one." Enough of this pantywaist attitude we seem to be coddling the Mouth That Drops with already.
Da Browns! Be a fan of the future! Hang tough today! <img src="/images/graemlins/azzangel.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/saywhat.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> Ya crack me up, bard.

Remember when Robiskie brought a football to a press conference and bitched about McCown throwing all those picks, yet he wouldn't give Green a chance to run the ball in the Sunday night Miami game even though Suggs was fumblin all over the place (at least 3 times that night)?

No great loss here, folks.

Another "I told you so!" and "We're gonna suck next year too" post from Verse. Imagine that <img src="/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

lol yeah gotta love leon...

I love readin' u...Right up till u spew this kinda BS...

Do u really believe we won't be able win in 07???...We're gonna suck again???

HTF can u say that with 34M in Cap Space and high picks in the 1st 4 rounds of a draft coming up???

Friday, January 05, 2007
Tony Grossi
Plain Dealer Reporter

The Browns fired receivers coach Terry Robiskie and offensive quality control coach Carl Crennel, nephew of Romeo Crennel, on Thursday, according to a team source.

Soon to follow are running backs coach Dave Atkins and tight ends coach Ben Coates, the source said.

Just clickin,
Due to the above article, if we are firing Wrs, quality control and TE coaches, then are we firing for the right reasons or firing just to say we made a change?? It makes you wonder who is pushing for the firings.

LOL, fired Romeo's nephew.

Seems the TE coach was about the only one who might have done a good job.

I still think it a sham to fire all of the assistants and not look at the head guy.

If the plan is to keep Romeo around for a while, then can him....that is wrong too.

I'm a Rac fan but firing assistant coaches does not solve a problem. Coordinators run the offense/defense, not assistant coaches.

[color:"red"] Another "I told you so!" and "We're gonna suck next year too" [/color]

Thats V for ya....love him or hate him. <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> I agree with ya pretty much this time V. <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

Still cant figure why he hasnt been hired as our GM yet. He has all the right decisions and forsight. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Hey V....still selling snowcones!!!! (inside joke) <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

PPE, I've said something similar in the past... Watching his son catch, you wonder,, did Robo teach him to do that... and if so, is it fair for all of us to assume that ROBO is at fault because our receivers can't catch the ball..... I've wonder aloud if maybe we didn't just have bad receivers.... OH WELL,,, he's gone now.

Tell you what,, if the next receivers coach gets the same result, then we'll know for sure won't we.

I like RAC too.....but he is the guy who hired these people. He is the guy who sets their direction and checks off on their work.

Sorry, I just don't see it as a case of everybody sucking and doing a poor job except the head coach.

I could see it if we were talking 1 person...that happens, but when you are talking entire staffs, something stinks.

I think you and others overestimate the ability of a coach to teach a 23 year old to catch.

Catching is one of those things you learn at the beginning. It is like throwing. You don't just change things once a person is grown.

Being the last coach hired in '05 and the best candidates had already taken jobs with other teams or were blocked.

Not defending Romeo or Robo, just throwing a bone out there to chew on.

Peen


YUP, how is it that RAC has been here 2 years and already changing all these coaches. Now if it comes out that they were Carthon coaches, OK, new Coordinator can pick his staff. If that is not the issue, then RAC has to be looked at.

I agree. But did these guys just start to suck this year??

Last year would have been a good time for Romeo to see a few of these guys were lacking in some way and begin to institite some change then.

But he didn't, which leads me to think Romeo thought things were going swell. I also feel that had Savage and Lerner not insisted on changes, we would be strapped with the same coaches next year.

Something to chew back atch'ya <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Is this really the case or just something someone made up??

My impression is the head coach picks his staff.

Somewhere along the line it seems that the HC isn't responsible for anything anymore. <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

When the Titans brought in Chow as OC....I don't remember massive changes in the staff.....just at OC.

[color:"gold"]With the moves made above, it would leave just Rip Scherer, QBs coach.

That would be a pretty complete house cleaning. [/color]

like peen said here and i said about del rio, at some point it becomes fingerpointing when a head coach fires numerous position coaches. i never wanted crennel to be canned but if he's just going to fire all of his assistants, than mabey it should be just him. one here or there is needed now and again. if he starts firing people on the defensive side too, than we should all know whats up.

either way, we need to get our offensive coordinater in here quick so we know what our identity will be and start getting the assistants in here before everybody is ate up

-i hate talking about this. they dont have to talk about it in the towns of good football teams but once every 5+ years. seems like every year here

Something is wrong with our offense.. they cannot produce... and thats why these coaches are being fired... SIMPLE!

Isn't that a familiar refrain? The reason we have so much cap room is because we have damn near no one on this team worth big dollars. <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> We don't have a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady with a huge contract. We don't have All Pro players, with All Pro contracts. What we have is youth ..... and old guys. The only real guarantee we have is ... that each group will get older. We really don't have that core group of 5-7 year veterans. The Steelers have almost 20 ..... we have half that. Before anyone starts complaining about how "lousy our drafts were, and how that's why" ...... about half of the players in this category on the Steelers roster weren't drafted by them.

As far as draft picks go ....... we've had high draft picks before ..... and well .... some (most) of those didn't wind up working so well.

We hit the off-season prior to this year with a boatload of cap room as well. $25 million, IIRC. What players did we sign that truly impacted this team in a positive way, and produced improvement on the field? Any? One could make an argument for Zastudil ..... but anyone else? Forgive me if $34 million in cap room doesn't inspire anything but that we'll spend some or most of it on something. Will we get value for our dollars? Not based on the track record established over past 2 years. What impactful players have we signed? What has been their impact on the field? (where it matters)

If Savage had hit some home runs in free agency, then I might be a little more hopeful. If his drafts were producing multiple impact players, then I might be more hopeful. However, as it stands right now, I'm still waiting for Savage to show that he can do the job that he was hired to do. I'm not nearly as impressed with his results as some seem to be, nor do I place much faith in those who have done little so far do deserve it.

He was the last coach hired because he had been in the playoffs and not able to talk to other teams. That's hardly an indictment of RAC, but somewhat of an endorsement that he couldn't be interviewed, let alone hired, until his season was over.

I have to agree with Vers. I saw Robo coaching in more than one TC and he did a solid job. He was very respected by not only the players he coached, but all the players on the team and around the league.

I find if funny that people are blaming Robo for the lack of development and players dropping passes. Someone even mentioned that WRs that leave us don't do much anywhere else. That's hardly an indictment of Robo or his ability to coach. Rather, it shows that the talent wasn't there to develop.

why not just make Joe J a player/coach. it shouldnt be too far fetched. the guys is very experienced, very smart, our best reciever, and not afraid to tell the others whatsup

That would not work because you need the ability to teach, set up drills, film prep and study..etc. Also, Joe did not open his mouth until after the season, where was his so called veteran leadership?? Not only his but where were the other Vets of this team??

yeah thats true. thats probably why its a thing of the past in football anyway

ok,
i like robo, but i think it was time to move on.

poor route running, poor catching, and poor behaviour from braylon are just a few examples. i dont care how good the drills in practice are, if this doesnt translate into BIG PLAYS ON THE FIELD then they arent working. end of story.

if it is all on the player all of the time, why are there position coaches at all? Its up the to WR coach to make sure every WR knows the playbook, everyone knows how to run good routes, and if braylon has a case of the dropsies, you make his ass stay after practice and catch a bunch of balls.

the coaches need to be accountable for PLAY ON THE FIELD as much as the players do or else they arent worth having in the first place.

Ok,,, Just Clicking here

But, Darn it,,, To blame a coach for the off field actions of a player is just plain LUNACY.... What the heck does a coach have to do with what a player does or says off the field or after a game in the locker room,,,,,

As for the RAC being the last coach hired,,,Come on already,,, he was the last coach hired because his team was still in the playoffs and teams weren't allowed to talk to him (except for a brief window before the playoffs actually began) until his team was elimanated... that year, the Pats won the Superbowl,,,

Can a coach teach route running,,, you bet he can... does that mean the players always run the correct routes,, no,, it doesn't. Is it coach or the player?,, Does this remind anyone of the chicken and egg thing...

Robo,,, love him or not, he's gone now.. if the next WR Coach has the same result as Robo had, then we will all know for sure that Robo wasn't the problem...

Myself, i don't know if he was or not.

Edit:

I forgot to add,,, all those that are banging on RAC because some of his coaches are getting axed this week,,, you may want to remember that RAC didn't hire Robo,,, I'm convinced that Robo was promised a job in the new regime because he was loyal to the organazation....

As for the rest of the Offensive guys he hired,,,and some of the Defensive guys as well, Because RAC was the last guy hired,, he really didn't get the cream of the crop... The only knock on RAC that I think is legit is that he didn't see the problem in time to take action last off season...

But then, it could have been an organizational plan to stay the course...not just RAC not foreseeing the problems.

It wasn't RAC fault for 90% of the reasons we struggled this season - but its still his responsibility at the end of the day
Same with Robo. His players failed him miserably - but at the end of the day its still his responsibility
The problem is that the same players will be here next year from what we know - just a different coach. Sure we changed something, but not the source of the problem.

Did he send a message to his players by firing arguably the best liked coach on the staff? Is that a reach?

Total speculation on my part here, but assuming that Braylon and Robo are close at all - or even go a step further since we know the team liked Robo. Is this a "message" firing? I doubt the players or WRs hold Robo responsible for their own blunders - does this send a message (especially to the younger players) that this is a do or die business. Braylon was just responsible for a man losing his job. Probably being overly optimistic - but maybe this sinks in a bit with the kids? Maybe?

Just trying to pull something positive out of this - 'cause a new receivers coach in itself buys us nothing, IMO.

[color:"white"]On another note, WTAM had an unconfirmed report this morning that the offensive quality control coach was being released. I don't even know who that is.[/color]

That's why Bud didn't run those ads very long.

J.

[color:"white"]

That is kinda funny (but not for the Crennel family).

So..........we're firing all the asst. coaches, but RAC gets to stay. It's their fault, not RAC's.

Ok. I expect RAC to be an ideal HC this upcoming season. The organization has determined that he's fine but his asst. coaches weren't.

So much for continuity. If we're firing the asst. coaches, it's time to fire RAC as well. We've sent all these messages to RAC that he isn't getting the job done, but we're going to give him another year. Right <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Methinks they are looking at Cowher in '08, and are playing RAC as a patsy. There's virtually no way that I can see RAC surviving next season. [/color]

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=6384

Browns announce coaching changes
01.05.2007
The Browns announced Friday that four assistant coaches, including receivers coach Terry Robiskie, will not be retained for the 2007 season.

Robiskie joined the club in 2001 as wide receivers coach and stayed in the role until he was elevated to offensive coordinator in '04. He finished that year as the team's interim head coach for the club's final five games after Butch Davis resigned from his post. Robiskie returned to coaching the receivers in '05 and stayed at the job in '06.

The other coaches relieved of their duties are tight ends coach Ben Coates, offensive quality control coach Carl Crennel II, and strength and conditioning coach John Lott.

All three coaches joined the Browns' staff in 2005 when Romeo Crennel became the club's head coach.

The job with the Browns was the first major coaching role for Coates, who coached in NFL Europe and took part in a minority coaching internship with the Cowboys before coming to Cleveland. Coates was a five-time Pro Bowl tight end for the Patriots.

Carl Crennel, the nephew of the Browns' head coach, was the director of football operations and assistant head coach at West Virginia Tech University before coming to Cleveland.

The bulk of Lott's experience came at the University of Houston from 1991-96 and with the New York Jets from 1997-04.

"I would like to thank these four coaches for their service to the Browns since my arrival here two years ago, especially Terry Robiskie, who served as wide receivers coach, offensive coordinator and interim head coach during his six years with the Browns," Romeo Crennel said. "These decisions were made with the best interest of the franchise in mind."

The offensive quality control was offensive. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

just clickin,
OK, now its official, these firing are now B.S.

Man, I hope the cleveland media really questions some of these moves. No matter what you feel about Robiske, the rest of these are just joke moves that will not fix the actual problem!!

It's called "apeasement" ya'all got what you've been hollering for.Apeasement doesnot work with children,nor in world politics,so I doubt it will be successful in the NFL.
Poor RAC,this year the FO will castrate you,next year you'll be fired.Sean Salibury was right,this is the "Bengals" of the 21st century.

BCBrownie,
This is not even apeasement. This is utterly silly. This shows that the FO came to RAC and said make some changes in your staff. He follows orders and comes up with these four(Wrs/TE/strength coaches) and throw in the quality control kid!!.. People should light into the Randy and Phil because those are very weak at best!! Next firing, the secretary, hotdog vendors and the shoe shine guy!!..LMAO