DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum And Let the Firings Begin Robo Gone!!!!

WOW! Lott was fired. Despite all the injuries, I still didn't see that one coming...craziness.

I actually also hope they don't fire Dave Atkins. He does have an impressive resum? up until this year.

lol..That was something I thought several times..
Anyways no big shock to me.

No talent maybe?

We have talent. It needs to be developed better, and we need to get rid of the "woe is me" mentality that seems to hover over Cleveland.

If we get some really high-quality position coaches in here, we'll see improvement by the time the regular season starts. More discipline, less BS

Ben Coates should NOT have been fired.

Under Coates leadership Heiden had what was then the best season by a TE since Ozzie Newsome retired over a decade ago. Then this year, Winslow tied Newsome's record for most receptions by a TE in team history.

Coates has done a damn good job with the TE's and he did not deserve to be let go.

Can't disagree with you charlie, our Tight ends have been impressive, and I said throughout the season, that I love Steve heiden and wanted to see more of him.

Ok, firing John Lott makes little or no sense to me at all.,..., Why him.. Can someone here enlighten me please.

On a few other notes.

I agree 100% with your signature. The offensive line needs addressed, is that Joe Thomas? That's who I really want in the 1st.

Also, I hope that Rosburg continues to stay with the team. He has been a very good ST coach and that is one position that has been consistant over the years.

Now that I think about it,,,Ben Coates is another one I don't understand... Our TE's have been pretty darn good as far as I'm concerned.... This one doesn't make any sense at all

I think probably because the rash of injuries the team has endured this season. Something is definately wrong somewhere when there are this many serious injuries to a team.

just a thouguth here, but were the TE and wide recievers coaches fired for not bveing tough enough with braylon and winslow.

Is this a move to bring in someone who can be tougher and try to keep those two in line.

Ooh, good thought. I didn't think of that...

Lott, Coates, Robiskie, Carl Crennel jr. nope aint gonna do it. Why waste a good mood in trying to figure out wtf this franchise is up to.

Something I'm not liking.Remove Lott,and find the common denominator.

That could be right. What I'm wondering, though, is who is a big enough disciplinarian that they want to bring in.

I have no clue as i don't know much about assistant couches.

It just seems to me that it wiould be easier for a nw coach to get Winslow ans braylons attwntion then ones they are allready tunning out.

but even if this is the plan. RAC will have to be more forcefull as well. otherwise those two will keep appealliong to the higher auithority.

I'm all for Mike Ditka taking over both positions. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

MYTH..show me the talent on offense besides our TE/WR's.
High quality coachs can't coach garbage and make it jewels..

Interesting that he chose the word "franchise" over "team". Getting picky, I know....


Coaching changes also go along with changes in philosophy. Its hard to be soft with your kids when they are young and then decide to become a disciplinarian out of the blue.
If RAC has decided to take a different tone with the offensive players, this type of change would facilitate that. It should not be perceived as a coincidence that the changes were to Winslow and Edwards' position coaches.

Lott? I'm not sure what to think about that. I don't see how the bulk of our injuries can be attributes to strength/conditioning. It does seem strange that we have such a high number of injuries all of the time - but I always just put it more on the type of players we have. Hmmm...???

Well........it is a FACT that I was the first one to tell you all that there would be multiple coaches fired. I said it before anyone on this board and before the media. Instead of saying that I was right, you choose to criticize. <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

You can all kiss my ass!!!

I can't see how he's to blame for the injuries. I don't get it. he did some great strength trainning, but he also was somebody who taught flexibility also.

No vers but thanks, I'll pass

J/C

The more and more I think about this the more I get uneasy about the firings. I stated earlier that Robo hasn't had the best talent, they have not left us and went on to bigger and better things.
So . . . how can Robo be dismissed? Is it Braylon? Mr. Bling Bling Edwards?

Ben Coates had two solid TE's one is consistent and one tied a team record. And he get's canned? Why? Is it because of KW2's mouth early on?

Seems like scapegoating the more and more I think about this. So, is it:

A) RAC telling Randy\Phil "these guys are making me look bad."
B) Phil telling RAC "these guys are making you look bad, which makes me look bad for hiring you."


I'm cornfused . . . . <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Lerner told Phil:
''ALL these guys are making US look bad..U batted for Rac? O.K..I'm throwing a knuckleball,..I WANT SOME PRODUCTION AND DISCIPLINE!!"

Actually, we have had a rash of injuries since 99 so all I see is that his being here didn't stem the tide at all.... That's about the only thing I can think of,,

[color:"white"] Something I'm not liking.Remove Lott,and find the common denominator. [/color]

OK...I'll bite. What do YOU think is the common denominator? My guesses:
Carl Crennell.....made up job, lame duck coach's nephew.
Terry Robiskie...Receivers pretty much sucked.
Coates.....not a clue....pissed somebody off, maybe?

or....just a thought...Tressel finishes his season on Monday....but if we are waiting to can Romeo until we can get somone better, we are keeping him for the wrong reasons and Lerner and Savage deserve a snake in their desks.

j/c

...just got home from work.
It's sad to take pleasure from someone being fired...but all is fair in love, war & football team rooting. - I'm glad Robo is gone. I don't think he did a whole lot with our WR's. And Coates didn't like to block in his playing days. "I'm not here to block" got him sent packing from N.E. at the end of his carreer.

I hate starting over all the time....but hang on 'cuz here we go again.

You/ve given a different reason for each person,not something all three share in common.

just wondering .. so does Jack Del Rio need to go in J-Ville also??? or is this just another Crennell thing .. let me guess .... just like with your BS example about Parcells/Meshaun (and i aint forgot that one . just aint had time to get back to it .. <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> ..) .. theres a bunch of reasons why the firing of 4 or 5 asst. coaches is much much different .. now thats funny .. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Don't want to sound like a know-it-all, but I haven't been surprised at all these years.

That's what happens when inferior players take on guys with strength, talent, and discipline. Bottom line is, they're just getting beaten up on the field.

You can throw out the Bentley and Baxter knee injuries as bad mojo, but lots of our past injuries have been a direct result of pizzpoor play. Linemen get rolled up on as their teammates get pushed all over the field. DB's getting concussions from hits by their own <Russell> teammates. Good players overcompensating for bad ones. Torn pectoral muscles because of poor tackling technique. You name it- we're guilty of it. Maybe different coaching could make some small difference, but it's the rare coach who can make chicken salad from a pile of chicken [censored].

Firing John Lott seems like window dressing to me. Ben Coates had arguably the best play from his charges of any position for 2 years runing, so wtf izzupwidat?

I've been about as positive as anyone on this board, but this is more than depressing... it's downright distressing. And it's distressing because it's more of the same 'binge and purge' mentality that's been here since Day One of 1999. It's now really hard to feel like pulling for these players when the infrastucture that (supposedly) supports them seems so slapdash and haphazard.

Oh well... so much for consistency and continuity.
Again.

and again.
and again.
and...

<sigh>

[color:"white"] You/ve given a different reason for each person,not something all three share in common. [/color]

That was kinda my point. Other than being former Browns employees I don't think they have anything else in common. Still waiting for you to elaborate on what they do have in common........

[color:"white"]Looks that way to me. He's on the hot seat just like Crennel is. They've both been given a 2nd chance to immediately fix things, and won't survive to see the end of next season if things aren't turned around. The appease

There are a ton of people who think Del Rio is not cut out for his job as well. With the way he's handled the QB situation there, it's hard to say they are wrong. With that defense and one of the top running games in the league, it's hard to figure how a team that talented can be so iffy. The "last chance" was given by firing his coaches. [/color]

I think we're very consistent and continuous...
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At being inconsistant and incontinuous.

Vers,

OK, I'll readily admit:

1) I'm ignorant
2) I never played the game
3) I never coached the game
4) I never attended Training Camp
5) I live in an area where Browns games are almost never shown on TV
6) I "watch" the games via the play-by-play and the game blog on cbssportsline.come Game Center and never get to "see" how the players or coaches actually perform so that I can form my own opinion
7) I now rely on the collective experience and knowledge of the Dawg Talk posters to keep me up to date about a team I've passionately followed for more than forty years

Hopefully I'm not coming across as sarcastic. I would love to know the 90% (or 50%) about Leon other than what has been reported. Are you able/ willing to share that knowledge?

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[color:"gold"]Gee, PFT acts like they got a scoop or something.

Are there any Browns fans that did not believe Savage was calling the shots on which coaches were being replaced?

I do believe Savage is considerate enough to discuss each and every move with Crennel before it is made but I also believe Savage has talked this over with Lerner as well as others within the organization and has their blessings.

I have little doubt that Savage has been very thorough about lining up possible replacements to be interviewed and hopefully Savage is as successful at picking coaches as he has been at picking players (especially in 2006). [/color]

and alne wrote:




Yo! What he said! You've been like the "Ultimate Insider" where Brayleon is concerned. Uncanny predicts, too.

So... give up the 4-1-1 already....

Let's hear it all, BigBoy. Inquiring minds wanna know.


p.s. ...and just how do you know these things?


waiting with baited breath,
Clemdawg

Does that mean your breath smells like nightcrawlers? <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />





Ain't that the truth.

When Vers started calling him "Leon" I felt he was doing so unfairly. At the time I really didn't think he was deserving of the nickname. As time has passed though, he has certainly earned it.

It's not like Chad Johnson who seemingly does it all in fun.

Nor is it like T.O. who seems to back-up his talk with his play. (still a dirtbag/cancer IMO)

Braylon has become Leon.

I hope RAC's opinion is correct in that he can still become a productive team player. Somewhere in another thread is a quote from Edwards on his recent silence saying something to the effect of, "I'm tirred of crucifying myself". Maybe he is beginning to get it and he'll still come around. I sure hope so.

His ability and potential is through the roof. But only if he applies himself. I don't believe he has yet. He actually has some decent stats for someone who is so distracted by himself.

As far as Robo getting the blame for Braylon's behavior; that shouldn't happen. The coach is only responsible for teaching. Learning is the responsibility of the individual.

I wonder how much of the decision making in these firings is based upon the good of the team, how much is based on pleasing the media and fans, and how much is simply a move saying, "Look, we're doing something about it."

Firing Robo is surely one way to put the blame on someone other than those who are left standing. Namely Savage, RAC, Edwards and the rest of the receiving corps.

I wonder too how the players react to such a firing. Does it help them escape personal accountability and carry on or do they look deep within themselves and know they were at least partially responible for a man losing his job by their lack of execution? Hopefully it creates a shake-up of sorts that makes them all dig a little deeper and try a little harder.

I didn't like Robo.....but the idea he was a bad coach is faulty.

First, look at his resume. You don't last that long if you suck and it is clear his kid knows how to play and he didn't just learn the game last month.

But it is what it is....just the nature of the job.


Lke many jobs.